Jen Hatmaker

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Anonymous wrote:Part of this will be to investigate where the grants go beyond the award.

For example, LC cuts a “$50,000 check” to a charity like Help One Now. From there where does the money go? Down to
the cent.

Good call out—- the whole Help One Now deal is another one of their cronies…. I mean it seems like a worthwhile deal, but they did take an entire Sunday at ANC to do a 45 mins sales pitch with Andrew Barlow there telling the stories of his charity and what they were trying to do.

Marlow— not Barlow. My mistake.

Chris Marlow. Who is known to have the same, er, personality traits.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Jen discovered he was stealing from the church or something and didn’t want to turn him in because she didn’t want her kids’ dad in jail. Maybe the church agreed not to prosecute if they paid it back. Or maybe he just spent money and she didn’t know about it. But something financial happened.

How do you know someone financial happened? Can you share anything else? Wouldn’t they have to tell the church? If they did, the story would definitely be out at this point!

Tell the church? Ha! Hatmakers & pruetts WERE the church. The elders - and btw there were only 5 or 6 elders at any given time - were just a shell. They didn’t realize it, but they had no clue what was going on. Tray & Brandon could have been laundering money for the mob and no one would know.

Correction: they could have been laundering money for Legacy Collective ….

I could see this. Throw in the Sheltons too. I guess Jen got the friends in the divorce. Ol Brandon got the biker buddies. Tray was never really in the biker camp. He tried, as did Jen’s bro and her dad. But they weren’t hard. Brandon’s not hard either. It he puts up a better game. Of course the Grim Guardians (the name of the club) really aren’t hard either. Bunch of posers really. What gets me however, is how they have members who support the Banditos. Anyway, I digress. They’re (Hatmakers, Pruetts, Sheltons) all icky as far as I’m concerned. I always saw them this way back in the day. Matthew Hansen and his wife, however, seemed more grounded and real and approachable. There were definitely different camps at ANC. Looking back, it was never one cohesive loving church. It was fake AF. Jen just barely tolerated it. She had her clique and big earrings and got the eff out of there as soon as she could after every service.

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Ok help me understand the Grim Guardians. It’s a bunch of Christian guys who raise money for children in need but they were costumes of black leather, chains, tattoos like real criminal biker gangs. They look so indistinguishable from hardened criminal bikers that Jen’s brother got arrested along with a couple others when a massive fight broke out between 2 rival biker gangs that killed several plus left many more injured. This was all over the news cause of the number of fatalities. The poor Waco police showed up at this restaurant that the gangs frequent and it was like bullets and knives everywhere. For some unknown reason the sweet Christian biker gang dudes showed up abd were wrongly assumed to be a part of the criminal gangs by the cops in the heat of the moment. So Jen’s bro and his buddies sit down behind the cops to show they aren’t a part of the madness. Well the cops arrest them too cause they are dressed just like the real McCoy. One of their patches was of a half skull half Viking warrior cap. They were really trying to look the part. So these guys are now suing the police department a BILLION dollars for false arrest and damage to their reputations. This info is all available online in news articles. Who are these entitled people? Why do they think it’s ok to ride their bikes into a known criminal biker gang place and then sue the cops, who were trying to save lives, for mistaking them for potential criminals. Your average dude doesn’t need to pose like a part criminal biker gang to feel manly. And for the love don’t sue the good guys who actually are the brave ones putting their lives at risk every single day. So it looks like Jen’s baby brother shares her sense of exceptionalism and knows a good money making opportunity when he sees it.

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So Glennon created together rising as her big charity that she and her sister use to doll out millions to worthy causes and Jen has legacy collective. Is it a part of the celebrity influencer package to have your own charity to virtue signal your superior care of the world? Jen was just gushing about the money her charity raised for Ukraine. It felt completely disingenuous like it’s all a game to build her brand as a do-gooder.
Why would Brandon start a new charity? What don’t I understand about these charities? Why must these self aggrandizing people all have one?

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Appropos of nothing, but I keep thinking about how Jen, maybe a couple of months into a long-distance relationship with Tyler, just put that ultimatum to define their relationship and how desparate that really was. She really needed to have a seemingly "legit" and "serious" relationship to post about for engagement, and to profit off of. And, most importantly to a narcissist, to make the "winning" of the divorce complete. (She already "got" most of the friend group and the public's sympathy). None of this seems/feels genuine or real. It all seems very opportunistic and calculated.

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There were definitely different camps at ANC. Looking back, it was never one cohesive loving church. It was fake AF. Jen just barely tolerated it. She had her clique and big earrings and got the eff out of there as soon as she could after every service.

So, everything in Seven re: ANC should be read as "my minions did the hard work and I showed up for the heart-warming self-aggrandizing stories about little girls and pink purses"?
This realization must make her readers of good will so sad. And resentful.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok help me understand the Grim Guardians. It’s a bunch of Christian guys who raise money for children in need but they were costumes of black leather, chains, tattoos like real criminal biker gangs. They look so indistinguishable from hardened criminal bikers that Jen’s brother got arrested along with a couple others when a massive fight broke out between 2 rival biker gangs that killed several plus left many more injured. This was all over the news cause of the number of fatalities. The poor Waco police showed up at this restaurant that the gangs frequent and it was like bullets and knives everywhere. For some unknown reason the sweet Christian biker gang dudes showed up abd were wrongly assumed to be a part of the criminal gangs by the cops in the heat of the moment. So Jen’s bro and his buddies sit down behind the cops to show they aren’t a part of the madness. Well the cops arrest them too cause they are dressed just like the real McCoy. One of their patches was of a half skull half Viking warrior cap. They were really trying to look the part. So these guys are now suing the police department a BILLION dollars for false arrest and damage to their reputations. This info is all available online in news articles. Who are these entitled people? Why do they think it’s ok to ride their bikes into a known criminal biker gang place and then sue the cops, who were trying to save lives, for mistaking them for potential criminals. Your average dude doesn’t need to pose like a part criminal biker gang to feel manly. And for the love don’t sue the good guys who actually are the brave ones putting their lives at risk every single day. So it looks like Jen’s baby brother shares her sense of exceptionalism and knows a good money making opportunity when he sees it.

Oh my. If this isn't white privilege I don't know what it....
What is Jen's brother's first name? Last name is King I think.

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Drew

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As my proper grandma used to say, lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

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I didn't know about the whole biker arrest thing.
Maybe it's not a good idea to dress up like violent thugs and hang out with them as some sort of ministry?

Is it about outreach, whatever that is, or is it about some weekend warrior tough guy cosplay?

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https://www.breitbart.com/border/2015/06/14/four-weeks-later-waco-police-narrative-unravels/

Well according to this article Jen’s brother was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Unfortunately due to his clothes matching that of the real criminal biker gangs he and his 2 friends were sent to jail with a $1,000,000 bond. It’s a terrible situation for all involved. Obviously the Christian motorcycle club had no part of any organizers criminal activity.
It’s a high price to pay for some white suburban dads playing cosplay as sons of anarchy out for their weekend Harley ride.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.breitbart.com/border/2015/06/14/four-weeks-later-waco-police-narrative-unravels/

Well according to this article Jen’s brother was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Unfortunately due to his clothes matching that of the real criminal biker gangs he and his 2 friends were sent to jail with a $1,000,000 bond. It’s a terrible situation for all involved. Obviously the Christian motorcycle club had no part of any organizers criminal activity.
It’s a high price to pay for some white suburban dads playing cosplay as sons of anarchy out for their weekend Harley ride.

In gang areas, young bystanders are often swept up and arrested when a gang crime happens. There's not a lot of public sympathy because, I guess, young POC are supposed to be wise enough not to hang out near violent gang members.

So I'm not wringing my hands over a married father hanging out in a biker bar for kicks who gets arrested when people get killed. And I certainly don't think he should get a settlement from police.

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Sure doesn’t seem like they deserve a billion dollar settlement when they had the means to make bail and the ability to hire good lawyers to get all charges dropped.
The police department sure can’t afford the settlement and it will cost Waco money they need to keep their city safe.

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It's true that Legacy Collective completely reorganized shortly after J and B filed for divorce. In October 2020 Brandon was removed from the board of directors and CEO position and quietly moved to the team of "advisors." By the end of the year, he was no longer part of LC--nor were his sister or her spouse.

During this time, LC brought it new leadership and reorganized to a new structure. Previously it was set up as a Donor Advised Fund under a separate 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization, Pure Charity. In July 2021, Legacy Collective filed a new Certification of Formation so that LC could be established as an independent non-profit 501(c)(3). This allows LC to receive funding from a wider range of sources. (Donor Advised Funds are limited in the ways they can receive funds; for example, you can't receive corporate matching gifts with DAFs.) In Jen's own words from January 2022, "We’ve spent a year and a half re-structuring Legacy, and now with the best team, the best practices, and the best community, we are ready to scale beyond our wildest dreams."

Legacy Collective continues to use Pure Charity for their donation management. In January 2022, they announced that they "will continue to partner with Pure Charity for our donation management." That could change in the future, since Legacy can now receive the donations directly under the new 501c3 structure.

If you go to the LC's website "About" page, the new bylaws and certificate of formation filed on July 13, 2021 are right there. All operations were moved under the new entity in January 2022.

This restructuring was clearly a top priority in the early days of the divorce. Whether that was because it had been mismanaged is unknown, but certainly a DAF structure was not a great choice for an organization of its size or mission, so I can see why their new management team recommended the reorg. Yet with a management team of LCs size, it seems wasteful to continue to use Pure (they take 5% off the top of any donation) in addition to LC's own administrative cost structure. In 2021 about 28% of funds raised went to admin and marketing. And some of the donations leave me scratching my head, like the one to Philanthropitch, the venture backed "Shark Tank" for new philanthropies....nothing wrong with it per se, but doesn't seem to fit the purported mission of LC.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true that Legacy Collective completely reorganized shortly after J and B filed for divorce. In October 2020 Brandon was removed from the board of directors and CEO position and quietly moved to the team of "advisors." By the end of the year, he was no longer part of LC--nor were his sister or her spouse.

During this time, LC brought it new leadership and reorganized to a new structure. Previously it was set up as a Donor Advised Fund under a separate 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization, Pure Charity. In July 2021, Legacy Collective filed a new Certification of Formation so that LC could be established as an independent non-profit 501(c)(3). This allows LC to receive funding from a wider range of sources. (Donor Advised Funds are limited in the ways they can receive funds; for example, you can't receive corporate matching gifts with DAFs.) In Jen's own words from January 2022, "We’ve spent a year and a half re-structuring Legacy, and now with the best team, the best practices, and the best community, we are ready to scale beyond our wildest dreams."

Legacy Collective continues to use Pure Charity for their donation management. In January 2022, they announced that they "will continue to partner with Pure Charity for our donation management." That could change in the future, since Legacy can now receive the donations directly under the new 501c3 structure.

If you go to the LC's website "About" page, the new bylaws and certificate of formation filed on July 13, 2021 are right there. All operations were moved under the new entity in January 2022.

This restructuring was clearly a top priority in the early days of the divorce. Whether that was because it had been mismanaged is unknown, but certainly a DAF structure was not a great choice for an organization of its size or mission, so I can see why their new management team recommended the reorg. Yet with a management team of LCs size, it seems wasteful to continue to use Pure (they take 5% off the top of any donation) in addition to LC's own administrative cost structure. In 2021 about 28% of funds raised went to admin and marketing. And some of the donations leave me scratching my head, like the one to Philanthropitch, the venture backed "Shark Tank" for new philanthropies....nothing wrong with it per se, but doesn't seem to fit the purported mission of LC.

Great stuff. Very helpful and informative.

The timing of the reorganization definitely seems to coincide with the after waves of the divorce. It’s possible that Jen was doing a lot of housekeeping and financial reprioritization at this time in everything and LC was just part of it.

This whole model seems to be wasteful and redundant. If total admin costs and Pure Charities cut are approaching 30% that’s just super wasteful. Better to just donate directly to vetted, well established, totally transparent organization and not middle men with no
real value ad. Sure it makes Jen look good but that’s a high cost.