Tell an opinion you have that is in the strong minority

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Anonymous wrote:People who are vehemently against Illegal Immigrants getting government money, benefits etc are basically admitting that they see Mexicans who can barely speak English, have no skills and work for less than minimum wage as competition for themselves and their dc. How embarrassing

No, I look at them and see the reason my real estate assessment keeps going up to pay for our overcrowded schools and ESOL programs.

Of course dear, the 5,000 illegals in nova cause your property taxes to rise

ummmm... yes... Their messily contribution of 5% in sales tax and 15 people renting a house paying $2000/ year in property taxes doesn't begin to cover their emergency room and free health clinic visits plus educating their 8 children in ESOL classes.... or does it?

Do you have any numbers on how much these clinics and teachers cost? Or are you buying into the mass hysteria of the lecherous brown man?

+1 The only reason they aren't deported is bc american women don't have enough children. If PP really wanted them gone she should open her legs..... FOR AMERICA

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Anonymous wrote:People who are vehemently against Illegal Immigrants getting government money, benefits etc are basically admitting that they see Mexicans who can barely speak English, have no skills and work for less than minimum wage as competition for themselves and their dc. How embarrassing

No, I look at them and see the reason my real estate assessment keeps going up to pay for our overcrowded schools and ESOL programs.

Of course dear, the 5,000 illegals in nova cause your property taxes to rise

ummmm... yes... Their messily contribution of 5% in sales tax and 15 people renting a house paying $2000/ year in property taxes doesn't begin to cover their emergency room and free health clinic visits plus educating their 8 children in ESOL classes.... or does it?

Do you have any numbers on how much these clinics and teachers cost? Or are you buying into the mass hysteria of the lecherous brown man?

Go to bed.

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Anonymous wrote:People who are vehemently against Illegal Immigrants getting government money, benefits etc are basically admitting that they see Mexicans who can barely speak English, have no skills and work for less than minimum wage as competition for themselves and their dc. How embarrassing

No, I look at them and see the reason my real estate assessment keeps going up to pay for our overcrowded schools and ESOL programs.

Of course dear, the 5,000 illegals in nova cause your property taxes to rise

ummmm... yes... Their messily contribution of 5% in sales tax and 15 people renting a house paying $2000/ year in property taxes doesn't begin to cover their emergency room and free health clinic visits plus educating their 8 children in ESOL classes.... or does it?

Do you have any numbers on how much these clinics and teachers cost? Or are you buying into the mass hysteria of the lecherous brown man?

+1 The only reason they aren't deported is bc american women don't have enough children. If PP really wanted them gone she should open her legs..... FOR AMERICA

+2 open your legs or shut your mouth

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Anonymous wrote:The way I see it, there are two types of SAHMs. Those that have to because their salary will not cover childcare and those who are lucky enough to be in a financial situation that allows them to stay home.

To the latter I say, embrace your choice and recognize this is a luxury. If I could check out of the daily 9-5 grind I would in a heartbeat. Of course what you do is difficult, most people realize caring for kids is hard, which is why we pay people to do it. It's just that being a working parent is more difficult and it's okay to accept that you wanted a less difficult path. As a SAHM, you will never have to worry about backup care on a snow day, getting out of a meeting because you have a sick child, prepping dinners/lunches the night before, grocery shopping on a lunch break, etc.

FWIW, many of my SAHM friends seem to have less tolerance for stress. I think being a working mom makes you better organized and more able to handle unexpected situations because you have to be. What kills me is when SAHMs post about needing more respect and how what they do is hard when the rest of us think gee how nice it would be to not have to balance my work life and kid's schedule. And when you make comments about "outsourcing" our kids, it comes off as sanctimonious because the whole reason you get to SAH is because of someone else's hard work to pay your bills.

FWIW, we all make the easier choice in life at times. I chose a lesser paying government attorney job than my friends who went into big law. I was blessed with no student loans, so I was able to make that choice. Never in a million years would I gripe to my big law friends about how stressful my job is when it pales in comparison to theirs.

So basically I say to SAHMs, just rock your decision and acknowledge it is a luxury not some huge sacrifice. And don't throw it in the face of working moms and expect us to fawn over what a martyr you are.

As soon as WOHMs rock their decision and acknowledge that they really are NOT with their kids most of the day. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with that - doesn't mean you're not bonded or have a great relationship. But don't act like being away all day long is EXACTLY the same as being home all day.

do you homeschool? how are your kids home all day?

They are young. One is home all day. One is in preschool 3 morning a week. And one is in K.

You probably don't remember this because you were at work (sorry - couldn't resist), but your children were very little at one point and weren't in school for 6 hrs/day.

Sorry wrong - my child was in an orphanage at that point. Your kids will be in school before you know it.

Couldn't resist that one, could you? Martyr, much?

When someone accuses me of not remembering my child's babyhood - yes I need to point out that in fact she wasn't with me at the time. I am not sure how adopting makes me a martyr. That must be your warped perspective.

Now you are being accused of missing your childs toddlerhood.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no "WOHM mafia," you are deeply delusional about that. What an odd statement to make.

Here on DCUM there certainly is. This thread is a perfect example of it. I have never heard/read such seriously hateful and ignorant comments regarding SAHMs. I thought the mommy wars were long over, but I guess some WOHMs feel differently.

No, there's really not. If you see working moms, heaven forbid, defending themselves, it's because of ridiculous accusations like "You outsource raising your kids" and "You value material comforts over spending time with your family." That's patently wrong. Also I would guess given the higher incomes in this area that the majority of moms work so you're also insulting a very large group of people. But I promise there is no WORKING MOMS BAT-SIGNAL.

Are you in DC? Maybe go smoke some legal weed and chill out for a bit.

Then please explain who is raising your toddler when you are working 10+ hours a day

And people keep saying SAHM are playing nice!

Oh ffs, the working day goes from 9 AM to 5 PM. Add in an hour of commute and you get 10 hours. Now please tell us where you get the time to do the things you say you do

My kids are toddlers any more, they're ES aged now. When they were toddlers, my work day went from 6am - 230pm and I telework 2 days/week. My DH didn't go into work until 1030, so my kids were only in their small home daycare for 4.5 hrs/day. Now, with kids in school they are only away from us when in school each day.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why wohm's don't post an hour by hour schedule to back up their claims.

I posted a lot of detail many, many pages back and was told by those sweet SAHMs to shut up. You say you don't believe some WOHM can have the best of both worlds, but yet when I answered your questions you told me stop. Which do you want?

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently my opinion is a minority opinion. I am totally, completely and absolutely NOT the least bit interested in how Internet strangers spend their time. Sorry, not to be rude but these long diatribes about chopping veggies, scheduling plenty of free time, outsourcing errands, personal training sessions, "date" night, working on math with your 3 yr old and making bento boxes (wtf is a bento box anyway) ..... Blah blah blah i DON'T CARE.

Bento boxes will make lunch packing 10x easier.

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Anonymous wrote:The way I see it, there are two types of SAHMs. Those that have to because their salary will not cover childcare and those who are lucky enough to be in a financial situation that allows them to stay home.

To the latter I say, embrace your choice and recognize this is a luxury. If I could check out of the daily 9-5 grind I would in a heartbeat. Of course what you do is difficult, most people realize caring for kids is hard, which is why we pay people to do it. It's just that being a working parent is more difficult and it's okay to accept that you wanted a less difficult path. As a SAHM, you will never have to worry about backup care on a snow day, getting out of a meeting because you have a sick child, prepping dinners/lunches the night before, grocery shopping on a lunch break, etc.

FWIW, many of my SAHM friends seem to have less tolerance for stress. I think being a working mom makes you better organized and more able to handle unexpected situations because you have to be. What kills me is when SAHMs post about needing more respect and how what they do is hard when the rest of us think gee how nice it would be to not have to balance my work life and kid's schedule. And when you make comments about "outsourcing" our kids, it comes off as sanctimonious because the whole reason you get to SAH is because of someone else's hard work to pay your bills.

FWIW, we all make the easier choice in life at times. I chose a lesser paying government attorney job than my friends who went into big law. I was blessed with no student loans, so I was able to make that choice. Never in a million years would I gripe to my big law friends about how stressful my job is when it pales in comparison to theirs.

So basically I say to SAHMs, just rock your decision and acknowledge it is a luxury not some huge sacrifice. And don't throw it in the face of working moms and expect us to fawn over what a martyr you are.

As soon as WOHMs rock their decision and acknowledge that they really are NOT with their kids most of the day. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with that - doesn't mean you're not bonded or have a great relationship. But don't act like being away all day long is EXACTLY the same as being home all day.

You act like your kids will be home with you forever. They will go to school and then what will you do with you time? Planning to go to work?

What the fuck difference does it make to you what i do with my time???! How is it your business??? Who are you people the fucking time police? Aaarghhh

And you don't think the previous comment is at all provocative? That PP seems to have forgotten that children will eventually go to school and WOHMs with school age children aren't exactly missing their whole day with their kids. And WOHMs that don't have a choice about working aren't exactly super excited to be told that they are missing their child's entire day.

Perhaps the other PP should not have responded the way they did - but you really don't see why they might have?

Aren't they? Kids are tired after after school care, you make dinner and they go to bed.

aren't they what?

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I can barely even follow this thread anymore

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Mom vs Mom

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Anonymous wrote:People who are vehemently against Illegal Immigrants getting government money, benefits etc are basically admitting that they see Mexicans who can barely speak English, have no skills and work for less than minimum wage as competition for themselves and their dc. How embarrassing

No, I look at them and see the reason my real estate assessment keeps going up to pay for our overcrowded schools and ESOL programs.

Of course dear, the 5,000 illegals in nova cause your property taxes to rise

ummmm... yes... Their messily contribution of 5% in sales tax and 15 people renting a house paying $2000/ year in property taxes doesn't begin to cover their emergency room and free health clinic visits plus educating their 8 children in ESOL classes.... or does it?

Do you have any numbers on how much these clinics and teachers cost? Or are you buying into the mass hysteria of the lecherous brown man?

One broken arm of an illegal immigrant nears $10K. ONE ESOL teacher with benefits averages $60K. Then you have free lunch and instructional assistants, translators etc... To educate ONE illegal immigrant, it costs nearly $15K.


In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers

There are your numbers. Hard to admit illegal immigration puts the burden on working American families, isn't it? Can't claim racism ALL. THE. TIME.

You must think the clinics, the staff, school buildings and teachers are free - after all it's "FREE" money becuase the government pays, right?? .

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why wohm's don't post an hour by hour schedule to back up their claims.

I posted a lot of detail many, many pages back and was told by those sweet SAHMs to shut up. You say you don't believe some WOHM can have the best of both worlds, but yet when I answered your questions you told me stop. Which do you want?

Ugh... You again?

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why wohm's don't post an hour by hour schedule to back up their claims.

I posted a lot of detail many, many pages back and was told by those sweet SAHMs to shut up. You say you don't believe some WOHM can have the best of both worlds, but yet when I answered your questions you told me stop. Which do you want?

Ugh... You again?

Wasn't just SAHM that wanted you to go away, you were annoying everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why wohm's don't post an hour by hour schedule to back up their claims.

I posted a lot of detail many, many pages back and was told by those sweet SAHMs to shut up. You say you don't believe some WOHM can have the best of both worlds, but yet when I answered your questions you told me stop. Which do you want?

Ugh... You again?

Wasn't just SAHM that wanted you to go away, you were annoying everyone.

+1

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Here's an idea: why don't we, WOHMs and SAHMs, throw out some things we like (food, movies, stores) and see how much we have in common?