Sean “Diddy” Combs accused of gang rape of teen girl in new lawsuit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The judge is not happy with the defense.

U.S. District Judge Arun Subramanian called for a lunchtime recess and asked jurors to return to the courtroom at 1 p.m. ET.

Subramanian told lawyers he wasn't happy with the pace of Ventura's examination because he wants the eight-months-pregnant woman to be done sooner rather than later.

When the defense said they would need all day today and all day tomorrow, Subramanian angrily responded, "That is the exact opposite of what I was told."

"This witness needed to be off the stand by the end of the week so what happened?" the clearly perturbed judge said.

This seems poorly planned. Good crosses are tight and much shorter than direct. Plus dragging out the cross of a very pregnancy witness has a higher chance of making the jury feel for her.

And this also from the judge:
U.S. District Court Judge Arun Subramanian appears to still be agitated from the back and forth he had with Combs' attorneys prior to the break.

Subramanian's agitation stems from the speed with which the defense is questioning Cassie Ventura.

The judge sternly reminded the defense it was given a day and a half to cross examine Cassie, who is eight months pregnant, and that she would be done by the end of the week.

Combs' attorney, Marc Agnifilo, argued that Ventura should be able to come back Monday morning if needed.

The judge shot back: "In what universe did you not understand this is what was going to happen ... you’re not telling me this wasn't everyone’s understanding that this witness was going to be done this week?"

Cassie was reviewing exhibits in a side room while the exchange took place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he wanted to watch consenting adults (male escorts) urinate in his girlfriends mouth, that’s disgusting but it’s not a crime. She was of age and a consenting adult. Escorts claimed Cassie sought them out for SOLO freakoffs without Diddy. She loved the sex and the drugs, the ecstasy of being desired and living a lavish life with Diddy for 10 years. His longest relationship in his adult life happened to be with Cassie

You can’t be serious!

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

Diddy was an altar boy at an all boys Catholic school with a sex scandal in the 80s when he would’ve been a student.

I think he’s a victim as well but too macho to ever admit it[/quote

If you have ever watched a documentary on him you would hear the sex parties that went on in his childhood home talked about. His issues are definitely from childhood. Not making excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he wanted to watch consenting adults (male escorts) urinate in his girlfriends mouth, that’s disgusting but it’s not a crime. She was of age and a consenting adult. Escorts claimed Cassie sought them out for SOLO freakoffs without Diddy. She loved the sex and the drugs, the ecstasy of being desired and living a lavish life with Diddy for 10 years. His longest relationship in his adult life happened to be with Cassie

This is the second time this has been brought up in this thread. The first time i asked for a link to this testimony, that poster never responded. I've been following the proceedings closely and do not remember this. Can you provide a link where you read this?

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Not pp but I don’t think this matters. She was clearly following what he told her to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The judge is not happy with the defense.

U.S. District Judge Arun Subramanian called for a lunchtime recess and asked jurors to return to the courtroom at 1 p.m. ET.

Subramanian told lawyers he wasn't happy with the pace of Ventura's examination because he wants the eight-months-pregnant woman to be done sooner rather than later.

When the defense said they would need all day today and all day tomorrow, Subramanian angrily responded, "That is the exact opposite of what I was told."

"This witness needed to be off the stand by the end of the week so what happened?" the clearly perturbed judge said.

This seems poorly planned. Good crosses are tight and much shorter than direct. Plus dragging out the cross of a very pregnancy witness has a higher chance of making the jury feel for her.

And this also from the judge:
U.S. District Court Judge Arun Subramanian appears to still be agitated from the back and forth he had with Combs' attorneys prior to the break.

Subramanian's agitation stems from the speed with which the defense is questioning Cassie Ventura.

The judge sternly reminded the defense it was given a day and a half to cross examine Cassie, who is eight months pregnant, and that she would be done by the end of the week.

Combs' attorney, Marc Agnifilo, argued that Ventura should be able to come back Monday morning if needed.

The judge shot back: "In what universe did you not understand this is what was going to happen ... you’re not telling me this wasn't everyone’s understanding that this witness was going to be done this week?"

Cassie was reviewing exhibits in a side room while the exchange took place.

Is this in front of the jury?

(To the people who want us to all be educated, sorry if this question offends. Really.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he wanted to watch consenting adults (male escorts) urinate in his girlfriends mouth, that’s disgusting but it’s not a crime. She was of age and a consenting adult. Escorts claimed Cassie sought them out for SOLO freakoffs without Diddy. She loved the sex and the drugs, the ecstasy of being desired and living a lavish life with Diddy for 10 years. His longest relationship in his adult life happened to be with Cassie

Whenever she did leave, he sent people off to drag her back. He hired people to track her down when she did do a good enough job of disappearing for several days or weeks.

Also, I doubt those solo freakouts were really solo. I bet there were hidden cameras.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

Diddy was an altar boy at an all boys Catholic school with a sex scandal in the 80s when he would’ve been a student.

I think he’s a victim as well but too macho to ever admit it[/quote

If you have ever watched a documentary on him you would hear the sex parties that went on in his childhood home talked about. His issues are definitely from childhood. Not making excuses.

I'd say his parents had something to do with him, too.

[Anonymous]

The judge said they had today and tomorrow to finish up with Cassie and the defense said she should be able to come back Monday if needed and the judge doubled down on her needing to be finished this week. Does this mean that the prosecution will not be able to question her again after the defense is done? Don’t they normally get to go back and forth with questioning until both sides are done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The judge said they had today and tomorrow to finish up with Cassie and the defense said she should be able to come back Monday if needed and the judge doubled down on her needing to be finished this week. Does this mean that the prosecution will not be able to question her again after the defense is done? Don’t they normally get to go back and forth with questioning until both sides are done?

Prosecution definitely will get redirect but will surely try go be very limited given the judges irritation and the pregnancy. This is usually all planned in advance. So I would guess the cross needs to be done before end of day tomorrow to allow for redirect. Judges often hate recross — and each time is more limited as you can only follow up on what was just asked (so a recross can only follow on questions from the redirect).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

In college I personally witnessed female peers in that 18 to 22 year old range willing sleep with groups of male athletes and male fraternity brothers and random boys from our dorm halls. They were consenting young adults regularly having unprotected group sex. Most of them are married with kids and I assume their spouses have no clue what they did 25 years ago.

Honestly, after seeing that in college the Diddy details really don’t shock me at all. Diddy is an obvious lifelong homosexual who displaces self hate onto women.

Not to mention Cassie was upwards of 30 years old while this continued. If she's the key witness, this is a joke. It's all detestable and gross but what felony crimes is she detailing? I want him to go to prison because he's a monster but it almost seems like the fix is in if this is all the gov presents.

With Cassie, he paid large amounts to hire two male escorts to urinate into her mouth while Combs watched and masterbated.

There is nothing wrong with that, criminally, as they were all consenting adults. In most of the developed world, being an escort is not criminalized; why should it be here? Besides, what Diddy wanted them to do in front of him would not even be considered sexual by the average person. It’s not even unsafe since urine is sterile.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

Diddy was an altar boy at an all boys Catholic school with a sex scandal in the 80s when he would’ve been a student.

I think he’s a victim as well but too macho to ever admit it[/quote

If you have ever watched a documentary on him you would hear the sex parties that went on in his childhood home talked about. His issues are definitely from childhood. Not making excuses.

His mom was hosting sex parties??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

In college I personally witnessed female peers in that 18 to 22 year old range willing sleep with groups of male athletes and male fraternity brothers and random boys from our dorm halls. They were consenting young adults regularly having unprotected group sex. Most of them are married with kids and I assume their spouses have no clue what they did 25 years ago.

Honestly, after seeing that in college the Diddy details really don’t shock me at all. Diddy is an obvious lifelong homosexual who displaces self hate onto women.

Not to mention Cassie was upwards of 30 years old while this continued. If she's the key witness, this is a joke. It's all detestable and gross but what felony crimes is she detailing? I want him to go to prison because he's a monster but it almost seems like the fix is in if this is all the gov presents.

With Cassie, he paid large amounts to hire two male escorts to urinate into her mouth while Combs watched and masterbated.

There is nothing wrong with that, criminally, as they were all consenting adults. In most of the developed world, being an escort is not criminalized; why should it be here? Besides, what Diddy wanted them to do in front of him would not even be considered sexual by the average person. It’s not even unsafe since urine is sterile.

Pretty darn gross...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

In college I personally witnessed female peers in that 18 to 22 year old range willing sleep with groups of male athletes and male fraternity brothers and random boys from our dorm halls. They were consenting young adults regularly having unprotected group sex. Most of them are married with kids and I assume their spouses have no clue what they did 25 years ago.

Honestly, after seeing that in college the Diddy details really don’t shock me at all. Diddy is an obvious lifelong homosexual who displaces self hate onto women.

Not to mention Cassie was upwards of 30 years old while this continued. If she's the key witness, this is a joke. It's all detestable and gross but what felony crimes is she detailing? I want him to go to prison because he's a monster but it almost seems like the fix is in if this is all the gov presents.

With Cassie, he paid large amounts to hire two male escorts to urinate into her mouth while Combs watched and masterbated.

There is nothing wrong with that, criminally, as they were all consenting adults. In most of the developed world, being an escort is not criminalized; why should it be here? Besides, what Diddy wanted them to do in front of him would not even be considered sexual by the average person. It’s not even unsafe since urine is sterile.

Pretty darn gross...

Many people think keeping the lights on is pretty darn gross. But in Cassie’s case, the prosecution is doing a poor job of proving something criminal.

I do believe Combs coerced young people (possibly underage people) to submit to sex with him. And that was likely rape, in many cases; possibly statutory rape of minors.

It certainly seems to fit the pattern of all the many , many, disgusting sexual assaults Harvey Weinstein , and many other Hollywood producers, committed against young people just trying to get ahead in show business.

I wish this prosecution would collaborate with the team prosecuting Weinstein to develop a playbook against Hollywood and recording-industry types.

Hollywood and big-music are both putrid to the core; the vast majority of them belong not on award show stages or the big screen, but in prison for very long sentences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Cassie was a grown ass woman who could've walked away at any time? I can't imagine myself, even as a 19-year-old, booking the prostitutes to have sex with me, letting them pee on me, and taking drugs knowing that I was going to be having sex for days on end- and then doing it over and over for years. I am honestly confused why people are feeling so sorry for her. I would've walked away. But the money and what she was getting in return were obviously enough to convince her to stay in the relationship. I'm sorry, I don't see women as children and so I see her as perfectly capable of saying no.

I don't think you are the only one who thinks this. I think you are unempathetic and lack an understanding of human psychology and emotional and physical abuse cycles and how all that impacts a person, which is definitely nice for you.

Whenever I see people defending the kink community, I think this is the other side of it. Maybe they are consenting adults. Or maybe they are people who have been groomed and have a lot of trauma that are caught in a cycle where they can’t meaningfully consent.

Diddy was an altar boy at an all boys Catholic school with a sex scandal in the 80s when he would’ve been a student.

I think he’s a victim as well but too macho to ever admit it[/quote

If you have ever watched a documentary on him you would hear the sex parties that went on in his childhood home talked about. His issues are definitely from childhood. Not making excuses.

His mom was hosting sex parties??

Yup

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the left to the left, to the right, to the right.

Wonder why she just didn't just sucker punch of that Tootsie roll