Public Trump Impeachment Hearing Mega Thread

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Republicans: Okay it was bribery but that's not impeachable. The Constitution means something else when it refers to impeaching for bribery.

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Anonymous wrote:He doesn’t want the WB outed because the WB’s safety could be at risk. See Vindman.

Most judges or chairmen don’t want their proceedings to be the cause of someone’s harm.

Meanwhile crickets on Sondland threats... double standard?

Sondland threats? Hotel boycotts? Or something else that I haven't heard abou

The only threat I saw is the threat of a perjury conviction, had he not come clean.

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Fiona Hill's opening statement is short and to the point: Russia interfered in our elections and is poised to do so again. It is dangerous to pretend otherwise for domestic political gain since it decreases our ability to defend ourselves against foreign powers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fiona-hill-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

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The Dems should change the committee rules and require every member of the committee to be sworn in to only tell the truth in their public statements. It would make for some interesting fireworks initially and then I bet the hyperbole would be ratcheted back.

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Fiona Hill's opening statement is short and to the point: Russia interfered in our elections and is poised to do so again. It is dangerous to pretend otherwise for domestic political gain since it decreases our ability to defend ourselves against foreign powers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fiona-hill-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

Weakening America globally for personal gain is a feature, not a bug.

It’s the main ideological difference between Trumpsters and Never Trumpers. I wish Hill would announce that more clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Sondman’s opening statement declared something to the effect that there was a definite quid pro quo with Ukraine (or whatever you want to call it) at the direction of Trump. Sondland later said that he asked Trump on a phone call what he wanted from Ukraine, and Trump said ‘Nothing. No quid pro quo.’ (as written on that ridiculous paper that Trump trotted out later today). Republicans appeared to hone in on that and state that Sondland was just speculating a quid pro quo. What am I missing?

Rs asking those questions did not talk about WHEN that call happened. It was after the whistleblower report was sent to the white house.

It was after the whistle blower report, and it was also after a Politico article that reported that Trump had held up the security assistance, and it was when Ambassador Taylor asked Sondland whether they were saying that both the security assistance and White House meeting were conditioned on investigations, which is why Sondland was seeking guidance on what to say.

Saying that you are not committing a crime, during or after you committed a crime, does not make you innocent of the crime.

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Another day and another hearing that WONT send back the "charlatan" back to his golden thrown. What a waste and no one outside of DC, NY and CA cares?

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Anonymous wrote:The public phase of impeachment hearing will began in about 50 minutes.

Here is the C-span link where you can watch it live without anyone else's interpretation:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?466134-1/impeachment-hearing-william-taylor-george-kent

Let us start the conversation. This hearing will be the final test of our constitution and democracy. It is a defining moment of our country!

He more I hear the more I am convinced these hearings are political

We should be limiting foreign aid.

Without a doubt. And certainly making sure a new recently elected government is legit before handing them millions and/or billions is prudent.

Huh? What's your beef with Zelensky? You think he's not legit?

You think we shouldn't give military aid to Ukraine? You prefer Russia then.

Nothing now. But back then? He was a new leader who had no real history in a corrupt country. Best be prudent.

OK, but if that was the decision (and it clearly wasn't), there are legal ways to do that, and it needed Congressional approval at that point (the aid had already been approved). He did not use the legal channels. He just said said don't sent it yet (beyond the legally required time to send it and without using proper methods - so IIMU that was issuing an order to break the law), I'm waiting for something first. A favor. (bribery)

Meaning he was not part of the kleptocracy post-USSR. . . .

This attempted justification for Trump's actions are disproved by the slightest scrutiny. Investigating the Bidens and 2016 conspiracy theories would do nothing to ensure that the 2019 security assistance would be managed properly. State and DOD had been working with Ukraine very closely on anti-corruption measures and had procedures in place to monitor the funds.

If Trump was concerned about corruption in Ukraine he would not send Giuliani and Sondland and Perry to corruptly demand political investigations by Ukraine and would not keep the reasons for the hold on the security assistance secret from Congress and State and Defense.

+1 to the PP

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Anonymous wrote:Another day and another hearing that WONT send back the "charlatan" back to his golden thrown. What a waste and no one outside of DC, NY and CA cares?

Disagree. I am a part of some online communities from where I went to college in the midwest, and these hearings are having a huge impact. People who were full on Fox devotees are seeing the light.

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Oh lookie... Fiona Hill opening statement has been released and claims Russia (not Ukraine) is behind the false narrative of Biden leak with the Dems. LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Well, this explains part of Devin's behavior

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-helped-rep-devin-nunes-investigations

i hope someone asks unanimous consent to enter that article into the record today.

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Anonymous wrote:Another day and another hearing that WONT send back the "charlatan" back to his golden thrown. What a waste and no one outside of DC, NY and CA cares?

Disagree. I am a part of some online communities from where I went to college in the midwest, and these hearings are having a huge impact. People who were full on Fox devotees are seeing the light.

Hallelujah!!

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Anonymous wrote:Another day and another hearing that WONT send back the "charlatan" back to his golden thrown. What a waste and no one outside of DC, NY and CA cares?

Disagree. I am a part of some online communities from where I went to college in the midwest, and these hearings are having a huge impact. People who were full on Fox devotees are seeing the light.

Interesting Fact: Less than 10% of the US are on other "boards" or for that matter ANY boards

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems should change the committee rules and require every member of the committee to be sworn in to only tell the truth in their public statements. It would make for some interesting fireworks initially and then I bet the hyperbole would be ratcheted back.

It wouldn't make a difference because there'd be no workable enforcement mechanism.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump voter; I felt badly about the Sondland testimony until I watched the freak show from Atlanta last night. I won’t accept a shooting on fifth avenue, but I don’t care what information about hunter trump wanted (congrats to the new dad btw), at least he’s not selling socialism. Only one on the stage I could vote for is Tulsi, who was attacked by crazy Kamala with her fake southern accent.

Tulsi is literally an asset. Maybe unwitting, but there is a reason the Russian trollbots promote her online presence and the GOP fundraises for her.

And why an official Trump Twitter feed promoted her clips during the debate last night.