FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

211. From here: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

288 net transfer out at Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

Could be centreville too. They have an expansion planned but it’s over five years out and the school is pretty overcrowded.

Can’t put those kids in Centreville yet. Fairfax high maybe? I know Greenbriar East is a split feeder and all the apartments in Fair Lakes go to Fairfax.

Fairfax is already close to capacity and would more likely pick up the townhouses by Wegmans that for some reason are sent to Woodson, as that would eliminate an attendance island.

Westfield is the one discussed the most as it borders Herndon, which has open seats.

Agree. I think they’ll shift the northern part of Westfield to Herndon and some of Franklin Farm to Westfield.

They could move Forestville to Herndon instead.

I can't see them leaving Langley alone if they are simultaneously pushing kids into Lewis and Mt Vernon - the optics are just too terrible

I don’t want any boundary moves. Nonetheless, “optics” aren’t one of the four factors.

Factor #4 is transportation. They’ll have no problem justifying moving kids to Herndon.

That wasn’t the statement I was refuting. The statement said that the move was required for “optics.”

Transportation argument has been eviscerated previously, including the eighteen lights to get to HMS and three to get to cooper, which translates to no tangible transportation time or cost savings.

That won’t stop them if they want to move Langley kids to Herndon. You can point to stop lights and they can point to Google Maps, slow traffic on 193, and Factor #4.

Sorry.

Google maps wont help them. Nor does slow traffic on 193, which doesn’t exist during bus times, so they can’t point to factor #4 either, so it really is just your “optics” pitch.

Not compelling at all.

I’m not the “optics” poster. But this School Board is not going to be swayed by your arguments. They will ignore them and, if pressed, rebut them. It’s all about what they want to do, not what you want. Welcome to Fairfax.

I think the School Board will listen to no one. They seem power hungry and are using The Apprentice model of leadership: I am in charge, so I will do whatever I want, judge you along the way and none of it will make sense except from a who are you loyal to stance. IF you are an apologist, they will help you out, if you complain, they will smite you.
Suffice it to say comments of Lady, Sandy Anderson, Rachna Sizemore and Marcia StJohn-Cunning have not impressed me at all and they all seem to be more loyal to Dr. Reid and FCPS than representing the people they were elected to speak from.

Fair. Though maybe they will listen to their equity conscience. They would overcrowd Herndon middle school if they were to move Forestville. Not sure they want to alleviate crowding at McLean by overcrowding HMS. Talk about bad “optics.”

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

Could be centreville too. They have an expansion planned but it’s over five years out and the school is pretty overcrowded.

Can’t put those kids in Centreville yet. Fairfax high maybe? I know Greenbriar East is a split feeder and all the apartments in Fair Lakes go to Fairfax.

Fairfax is already close to capacity and would more likely pick up the townhouses by Wegmans that for some reason are sent to Woodson, as that would eliminate an attendance island.

Westfield is the one discussed the most as it borders Herndon, which has open seats.

Agree. I think they’ll shift the northern part of Westfield to Herndon and some of Franklin Farm to Westfield.

Nope, FF already goes to two different schools, now you want to split a neighborhood into three schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

211. From here: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

288 net transfer out at Herndon.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

There is usually a user friendly dashboard on the FCPS that shows capacity and transfers in and out of the school. You select the school and all the information is available.

I had it bookmarked.

I just checked it today.

The page is still there, but I can't find the link to open the dashboard.

When I checked in the fall, there were around 300+ students transferring out of Lewis.

That is the official number, so it does not include Lewis zoned students using fake or family members addresses to attend other schools.

If FCPS did a residency check and cleaned up the transfers before looking at rezoning, Lewis would probably end up around 1800 to 1900 students.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

Could be centreville too. They have an expansion planned but it’s over five years out and the school is pretty overcrowded.

Can’t put those kids in Centreville yet. Fairfax high maybe? I know Greenbriar East is a split feeder and all the apartments in Fair Lakes go to Fairfax.

Fairfax is already close to capacity and would more likely pick up the townhouses by Wegmans that for some reason are sent to Woodson, as that would eliminate an attendance island.

Westfield is the one discussed the most as it borders Herndon, which has open seats.

Agree. I think they’ll shift the northern part of Westfield to Herndon and some of Franklin Farm to Westfield.

Nope, FF already goes to two different schools, now you want to split a neighborhood into three schools?

Presumably they mean the area zoned for Oak Hill that attends Chantilly would attend Westfield instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

211. From here: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

288 net transfer out at Herndon.

Thank you! This link woks to access the dashboard.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

211. From here: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

288 net transfer out at Herndon.

Thank you! This link woks to access the dashboard.

The 2023-24 dashboard does not have the transfer or enrollment info.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

There is usually a user friendly dashboard on the FCPS that shows capacity and transfers in and out of the school. You select the school and all the information is available.

I had it bookmarked.

I just checked it today.

The page is still there, but I can't find the link to open the dashboard.

When I checked in the fall, there were around 300+ students transferring out of Lewis.

That is the official number, so it does not include Lewis zoned students using fake or family members addresses to attend other schools.

If FCPS did a residency check and cleaned up the transfers before looking at rezoning, Lewis would probably end up around 1800 to 1900 students.

Is it this one: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMigrationDashboard/ReadMe

This is the page that has all the current dashboards: https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

The numbers look to add up, ~250 transfers within FCPS and ~130 move out of county.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

There is usually a user friendly dashboard on the FCPS that shows capacity and transfers in and out of the school. You select the school and all the information is available.

I had it bookmarked.

I just checked it today.

The page is still there, but I can't find the link to open the dashboard.

When I checked in the fall, there were around 300+ students transferring out of Lewis.

That is the official number, so it does not include Lewis zoned students using fake or family members addresses to attend other schools.

If FCPS did a residency check and cleaned up the transfers before looking at rezoning, Lewis would probably end up around 1800 to 1900 students.

Again, FCPS has legitimate, approved reasons for transfers. That is why they have the data.
I'm not saying people aren't using it to get to whatever school they want, but it's approved by FCPS so don't know how they would "clean it up".
Guessing it's because they can't teach every single (elective)thing at every single school.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

There is usually a user friendly dashboard on the FCPS that shows capacity and transfers in and out of the school. You select the school and all the information is available.

I had it bookmarked.

I just checked it today.

The page is still there, but I can't find the link to open the dashboard.

When I checked in the fall, there were around 300+ students transferring out of Lewis.

That is the official number, so it does not include Lewis zoned students using fake or family members addresses to attend other schools.

If FCPS did a residency check and cleaned up the transfers before looking at rezoning, Lewis would probably end up around 1800 to 1900 students.

Again, FCPS has legitimate, approved reasons for transfers. That is why they have the data.
I'm not saying people aren't using it to get to whatever school they want, but it's approved by FCPS so don't know how they would "clean it up".
Guessing it's because they can't teach every single (elective)thing at every single school.

There is actually an answer here. Primarily AP or IB transfers, world language, AAP center, etc.

They are the legitimate transfers, so as a PP pointed out, this doesn’t capture likely rampant residency fraud (which is now blessed by Reid a la hayfield).

Ricardy Anderson asked recently if the consultant was looking at adding level iv to more home base schools and he indicated that the software could do that. I would not be surprised to see them turn off the Aap center spigot as part of this process. That’d bring a lot of chickens home to roost. Ditto for ib, but that is less likely to be abolished imho.

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IB vs AP is a great excuse for pupil placement out. Just look at where/how it is used.

Get rid of it and lots of these "equity" issues will be resolved.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. I think I saw 350 kids pupil place out of there? It can’t be fixed.

Woah. Where do you find these numbers? I want to look some.schools up.

There is usually a user friendly dashboard on the FCPS that shows capacity and transfers in and out of the school. You select the school and all the information is available.

I had it bookmarked.

I just checked it today.

The page is still there, but I can't find the link to open the dashboard.

When I checked in the fall, there were around 300+ students transferring out of Lewis.

That is the official number, so it does not include Lewis zoned students using fake or family members addresses to attend other schools.

If FCPS did a residency check and cleaned up the transfers before looking at rezoning, Lewis would probably end up around 1800 to 1900 students.

OH NO IT'S A CONSPIRACY.

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Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is a great excuse for pupil placement out. Just look at where/how it is used.

Get rid of it and lots of these "equity" issues will be resolved.

Get rid of AAP Centers and IB and suddenly there are way less capacity issues. It’s almost like the school board has an easy fix right in front of it’s face.