
OMG, he had better be either confirmed or withdrawn by Thanksgiving. If this ends up dragging on until then, if this ends up being a topic of discussion with the ILs at Thanksgiving dinner! Friendships lost, families destroyed! |
I would contend that once they saw it go south, they decided to use it to for political advantage. Trump's words from last night make no sense otherwise. |
Trump’s words never make sense. |
I thought he made one decent point -- how the heck is she so sure it was ONE BEER. Considering how little she recalls from the traumatic evening. She kept saying ONE. Coached by her weaponized counsel, likely. |
Her counsel did a lot better job of coaching her than his counsel did of coaching him. "I like beer!" |
Can you explain how she knew that 1) Brett Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker/hard partier in high school/college and 2) that Mike Judge was a heavy drinker/hard partier and 3) that BK and MJ were best friends -- how did she figure this all out years ago so that she could start telling her story about the two in case BK ever got nominated for SCOTUS and she got called to testify against him? Not one single pro-BK poster has come here to eplain how Ford figured all this out. Because otherwise it's a great coincidence, is it not, that the person she picked to lie about just happened to be a hard-drinking lout in high school and college and had a best buddy who was also a hard-drinking lout. She had to have done serious research to find this out so that she could make her lies ring true. Please explain. The notion that she saw his name in the paper in 2012 when he was nominated for a judgeship, saw he was about her age and went to GT Prep, and then started researching and somehow discovered he was a huge drinker and had a best friend named Mike Judge who was also a drinker, so then she started telling her tale in the event she could use it, is too incredible to believe. She would have had to talk to others whom BK acknowledges he knows to find all this out. Where are those people saying she called or wrote them asking for dirt on him? So far haven't heard anyone come forward and say, hey CBF contacted me in 2012 asking if I knew BK and what was he like. To me the simple solution to this question is the one that makes the most sense: she did know BK, she did know MJ, this did happen to her, she is telling the truth. |
He STARTED THE BAR FIGHT. You are smoking crack because he also lied his ass off about his drinking. Remember the Fox interview. that was put in to the record. At this point he could be accused of being a man and you would be like - there is no evidence of that! |
I agree. As Kavanaugh said in his testimony, "use your common sense". |
To follow up on this post: Gorsuch is ALSO a GP alumnus her age. She could have picked him to lie about, right? She could have named him way back when she told her husband about this, in the event Gorsuch got nominated. He was also in the news, someone who worked for a Republican president in the DOJ. But then her story wouldn't have rung true, because there is no evidence he was a hard drinker with a pattern of loutish behavior. So how did she zero in on BK to lie about, if you believe she lied? I want to hear Kavanaugh supporters come here and explain this. |
Nah, when something bad happens to you, you go over and over what you did to cause it. She was also terrified because she knew her parents would flip out over one beer. |
I already am avoiding talking to my inlaws. They did believe and support their own dd when she came to them as a teenager and said she had been molested as a child. I can't talk to them because chances are they are defending kavanaugh. I haven't spoken to them since this hit the news. |
I think this is the strongest argument for Ford. Still, even the "strongest" argument is uncorroborated testimony, including from the witnesses who were present at the house. I view it as unproven, and unprovable. Thus, I give benefit of doubt/presumption to Kavanaugh. |
Sorry - they DID NOT believe and support their dd. They said she was lying. |
You are using corroboration like you know what it means. Her testimony is NOT uncorroborated. You can see you still aren't sure but her testimony WAS corroborated. Not just with HER corroboration, but also with his (his calendar). |
+1 I don't think being a partier in your late teens should disqualify you. Even a hard partier. Lying should. He's misled, not been forthcoming, and outright lied, quite a bit, including in front of Congress, in several hearings, not just last week. Look not just at the whitewashing of said teenage partying. Look at his testimony about his friend who works for Trump's lawyer. Look at his testimony in his 2006 confirmation hearings re stolen papers when he was in the Bush WH. Look at those same hearings, testimony re torture, which resulted in a CRIMINAL referral for lying to Congress https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-detainees-judge-idUSN2732407920070628 You can also look at things like the emails finally released in early September (before Ford), about a 2001 party boat he went on with old friends ("Reminders to everyone to be very, very vigilant w/r/t confidentiality on all issues and all fronts, including with spouses."). I agree people are not perfect. I'll go a step further and say that most people lie. But repeated lies in front of Congress is, as PP said, disqualifying!! |