Plane crash DCA?

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24 hours after the crash, OPM again emailed Federal employees (including FAA and Air Traffic Controllers) urging them to resign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/us/politics/federal-workers-opm.html?smid=url-share

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

So much competence. It's been an issue for years and completely ignored until someone died. Just like the USDA.

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

So much competence. It's been an issue for years and completely ignored until someone died. Just like the USDA.

That's how most places operate. No need for changes if there aren't MAJOR accidents and deaths. It's how the world works.

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

How will all those VIPs get home?

With all the RTO workers on the road now, they’ll have to crawl along in cars like the plebes.

Poor them. Karma.

They are going to fly over your neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

So much competence. It's been an issue for years and completely ignored until someone died. Just like the USDA.

That's how most places operate. No need for changes if there aren't MAJOR accidents and deaths. It's how the world works.

That's not how you manage risk. It's complacency. Their lives or jobs aren't on the line.

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Anonymous wrote:So some of you think it's MORE believable that the Helo pilots were homicidal/suicidal rather than merely undertrained/improperly focused on their job?

I just cannot believe the BH was unaware. Given all the psychologically unwell people in this country, I don't know why intentional sabotage is so outside realm of possibility.

But by three people?? That seems really unlikely that three people are in the same BH and so mentally disturbed that they are not only suicidal but willing to kill a plane full of people.

The non-pilot was likely oblivious and just along for the ride in the back.
Perhaps the instructor took control and the student pilot just went with it. Chain of command and all--you don't question. Who knows. It's not outside the realm of possibilities.

The prevailing theory behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 is suicide and there were 3 pilots on board. Unfortunately intent is almost impossible to prove after the fact. 🙁

No. That’s not how that works according to aviation pros.

But PP is an armchair know-it-all, a professional in any area they desire. No actual experience required.

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

Thank God. I’ll avoid dca though.

Thank you. The security lines were getting a little too long.

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Anonymous wrote:Does a black hawk helicopter have duplicate controls for a pilot and a copilot? Can you disable one or the other for training purposes?

you do realize, right, that "training" flight does not mean this was like frekin' drivers ed?

One pilot had 1000 hrs of flight time and the other had 500 hrs which is apparently a lot because each flight is relatively short and it's not like you are flying for days straight.

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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots?

Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.

At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.

This explanation is very unsettling to those of us who are not pilots and do not work in aviation.

"It's hard to see things that are right in front of you while flying at night" is never going to satisfy anyone for an explanation for this crash.

Sounds like you need to get to work STAT on some conspiracy theories and rumors!!

Nope. I have not engaged in any conspiracy theories or rumors. I am simply telling you that no one is every going to accept the explanation that, well, it's just very hard to see when flying at night as an acceptable explanation for why 64 civilians and 3 military personnel lost their lives here. I don't want a wild conspiracy theory to explain it, I want an explanation that makes sense. "Oops well doing this thing that planes and airplanes do all the effing time is hard" does not makes sense.

I accept it. If you are going to judge a nation professionals, then you need to understand the situations they are in.

The pilots were beam to beak at one point and it’s hard to discern aircraft lights from surrounding city lights. Perhaps aircraft lights need to be a certain color that will stand out at night and not be used by cities.

No one is disputing that it might have been hard for the helicopter pilots to see the plane. That is accepted.

The point is that this is not a sufficient explanation for the accident. It is a part of the picture but those of you who just keep repeating "it was hard for them to see the plane under those conditions" aren't getting that this is not enough. Why wasn't radar consulted? Why didn't they see the plane once they were no longer nose-to-nose? Why didn't ATC calling out a second time to see if they had visual separation raise an alarm for them to possibly confirm that they were looking at the right aircraft? Why didn't they confirm location of the plane they were looking at when ATC called back in order to ensure they were referring to the same plane?

And even beyond the visual separation issue: Why did the helicopter rise to 350 feet in violation of the flight plane? Why did they bank west toward the airport at the worst possible moment regardless of where other planes were (directly in front of National's runways for incoming traffic)?

Responding to these questions by saying "well you see, it is very hard to see a plane that is right in front of you when flying at night" is not going to make people stop asking these questions. Noted. Now explain all the other stuff.

This post asks so many needed and important questions.
Something about this awful situation and the information the public is being allowed is just not adding up. Things are not completely making sense. There must be more to it all.

IT'S A HUGE CONSPIRACY!!!

ARMCHAIR DETECTIVES TO THE RESCUE!!

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Anonymous wrote:24 hours after the crash, OPM again emailed Federal employees (including FAA and Air Traffic Controllers) urging them to resign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/us/politics/federal-workers-opm.html?smid=url-share

After this sh** show they need to resign!

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Wow these videos. I know looks can be deceiving but it just looks...so intentional. How do you not notice a jet flying at you. Do Blackhawks not have windows on the side? Are there blind spots?

This looks exactly like two vehicles coming into a crossroads, neither automatically had the other in sight, neither maneuvered as if they did.

Except the better analogy would be a car approaching GW parkway from a side road and not looking before crossing. Oh and this car has 360 glass all around so no blind spots and the traffic on GW are all 18 wheelers.

And the driver was told before merging ‘do you see that 18 wheeler’ and the driver replying ‘yes’

Again. This is space. Space is 3d. Landing aircraft are descending at hundreds of feet per minute and the helicopter rose sharply. Please stop with the analogies about road conditions.

But then how else will the PP solve this mystery? It's CRITICAL that they figure this out. We are all waiting on their analysis. Even if it's based on a scattering of details, lots of rumors, and zero relevant experience.

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Anonymous wrote:FAA has now restricted helos from DCA's airspace.

So much competence. It's been an issue for years and completely ignored until someone died. Just like the USDA.

That's how most places operate. No need for changes if there aren't MAJOR accidents and deaths. It's how the world works.

That's not how you manage risk. It's complacency. Their lives or jobs aren't on the line.

Regulations are written in blood. The same type of regulations the current administration wants to roll back. Buckle up.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiOybe-NJHk

In this video, at 1:36, ATC tells pat 25 there is traffic just south of woodrow bridge, a CRJ, its 1200 feet setting up for runway 33.

The helo

From the recording:
00:26 -the ATC tells 5342 to change to runway 33 and they accept
00:47 -the ATC tells JAZZ 789 that they are cleared for take off
1:05 - AAL 3130 (behind CRJ5342) is cleared to land at runway 1 and informed traffic may depart prior to them landing
1:27 - ATC says JAZZ 789 can departs and say good day

At this point CRJ 5307, CRJ 5342 and AAL3130 are in a row coming towards Regan. PAT 25 is coming from the opposite direction

Now watch this video for the blackhawk response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

00:21 - ATC tells JAZZ 789 they can depart and wishes them a good day
00:24 - ATC tells AA3130 slow to final
00:27 - ATC tells PAT 25 that there is traffic south of wilson bridge at 1200 ft (this is CRJ5342) and they are setting up for runway 33 (at 1:34). Note that JAZZ 789 has just taken off but it is NOT near the wilson bridge.
00:33 - PAT25 tells ATC that they have the aircraft in sight and request visual separation.

Even if they were looking at JAZZ 789, that plane was not close to the wilson bridge and if these pilots had thousands of hours and have been flying that path wouldn't they know that?

00:48 - ATC tells CRJ 5407 to keep rolling out to N, ground .7 and says good day

1:01 - ATC tells American 1630 cleared for take off runway 1

1:09 conflict alert
1:12 - ATC asks PAT 25 if they have the CRJ in sight and ask them to pass behind the CRJ
1:16 - PAT25 responds they have the aircraft in sight and have visual separation and then the crash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does a black hawk helicopter have duplicate controls for a pilot and a copilot? Can you disable one or the other for training purposes?

you do realize, right, that "training" flight does not mean this was like frekin' drivers ed?

One pilot had 1000 hrs of flight time and the other had 500 hrs which is apparently a lot because each flight is relatively short and it's not like you are flying for days straight.

But the answer is yes, there are redundant controls for safety purposes.

[Anonymous]

Vought is making Trump look like a fool!!!