Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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06/14/2023 16:30

Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:From the ramp up in troll posts railing about "the war is unwinnable" and "Ukrainians are horrible nazis" it's clear to see the Russians are having a hard time coping with Ukraine's counteroffensive. 😆

Those silly Russian bots trying to spread propaganda are just having the hardest time lol.

So are the folks who bleat impotently that they “just want peace!” Or aka they basically don’t like to think too hard about geopolitics and allies and all that hard stuff, and would like Ukraine to just get annexed. So they can fk off.

Yes we know. You're the only one allowed to have a point of view. Anything that deviates is trollish or stupid.

Nope, just like to see you squirm when asked for what your definition of “wanting peace” actually means.

And really, cleared of subtext and bs, it’s that your version of peace amounts to simply abandoning Ukraine, and also our European allies, and letting an aggressive hostile nation subsume another.

The clearer part is that you can’t even comprehend why this is damaging to our reputation and to the Western world order and western values.

A few reasons we help Ukraine:

1) we are spending a pittance of our normal defense budget to basically help grind down Russia and expose how poorly prepared they are.

2) it shows we stand in solidarity with Europe. We don’t abandon them in times of need. We can be trusted. And that’s even with our previous, bipolar seeming past mistake of having elected Donald Trump. His election showed the world that we really are a topsy turvy place and that anything could happen electorally in any given 4 year period. I mean we can go from a stable president like Obama to a real piece of sht like trump, who eschewed thinking and diplomacy.

But you can’t grasp any of that. All you can see is wanting to immediately back out and leave the Ukrainians twisting in the wind for “peace”. It won’t be a long peace if Putin is emboldened by our retreat and he takes Ukraine and the world sees we are just not interested in long term stability and capable of being a trusted ally.

The fact that you type these things with a straight face tells me you're either very young, or your cortex is not fully developed for whatever reason. "Western world order" and "western values" aren't a thing outside of America and Europe. And they certainly aren't a welcome thing, or a respected thing. The West was never held back by its own order. These rules are for other countries.

Okay, to expand on what “upholding western values” means, it means upholding the values of non-authoritarian countries like England, France, US etc. Vs authoritarian like Russia etc. Basically democracy, internet access, non-censorship, non-communism, free thought, ya know, the good stuff.

Also, it’s weird that you seized on that sentence out of the broader context of my argument. who fking cares? What’s important is that we stand by those types of countries and values. Standing by European allies and Ukraine does that.

Or maybe you are a pro Russia shill and just here to muck rake and don’t actually like democracy.

Or maybe you're young and foolish, and don't understand the meaning of the words you use?

Western values are only for internal consumption in the West. Western foreign policy gives zero fs about law and order or democracy when it wants to invade something or depose someone. Come on. Wake up.

There is ample censorship in the US and the UK. Especially the latter.

There is no free thought in the US. Try finding a tenured professorship if you happen to believe in the Palestinian cause. Or retaining it if you acquire these beliefs later in life!