Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Here's my take.
So much of the American Church has become so consumer driven in the past few decades. Megachurches, cult of personality, pastor sneaker, private jets, Six Flags Over Jesus, aka Christian Me Camp.

Jen came out of that. Before they started ANC she and B were at a snooty Westlake church that wanted real bad to be a megachurch like 2nd Baptist in Houston or Fellowship in Grapevine or Saddleback or Hillsong. That's where she first tried to be Cute Famous Jesus Lovin Jen and published a few books, but it hit a wall. Schtick fail #1.

So then they decide to become the sjw-erist Christian SJWs you can possibly be. They were the BEST CHRISTIAN SJWs EVAH Y'ALL. Problem was, as the many ex-ANC members on this board have testified, they really, like, weren't that into it. Running a church is really hard and boring and real homeless people are, like, icky. They had some great members who happily then begrudgingly floated them for years until they stabbed them in the back by announcing that ANC had decided to becoming LGBT+ affirming. Problem was, only jen and brandon and tray had actually decided that. So then the friends who had already clued into the fact that Brandon (and Tray) sucked at the whole pastoring a church thing but were happy for everyone else to do the actual work so that Jen could post it on her socials then disappear again came to their senses and left.

Schtick fail #2.

I mean the guy they hired to take over the BEST CHRISTIAN SJWs EVAH Y'ALL church came from JOEL OSTEEN. Whose church is a bajillion dollar 24/7 me-camp. The guy they claimed to be the opposite of. JOEL. EFFING. OSTEEN.

At the end of the day, it's always been about Jen. She's been at Me Camp ~50 years going strong. She's evolved from being a product of Consumer Christianity to being a diplomat for it. Same song, updated lyrics. Jen hasn't changed at all. We were just gullible. Y'all. Until we weren't.

This sounds right. Gross!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

I’ve wondered if something like that happened, but why weren’t there legal ramifications?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ANC’s rank and file were utterly dumbstruck by Jen’s interview. Several of the elders were utterly confused and taken by surprise, including one very beloved elder who was dying of cancer at the time.

There was then a mad scramble to make the pronouncement “official” for the church but it was all nakedly transparently biased and one sided.

The leadership that remained then hosted a bunch of Q&A’s to address this news but they only invited in super biased voices like Matthew Vines.

The damage though was done and well over 50% of the partners headed for the exits.

We didn’t stop going over the LGBT affirmation. We were already affirming, nothing about LGBT affirming is new or earth-shattering. We stopped going because people treated us like we were invisible.

We weren’t made to feel welcome. We were excluded and never invited in to community and whenever we brought it up we got a bunch of bullshit from Tray and Jason. Back in the day you could sign up for a dinner for 12 where you got paired with a church leader for dinner as a group. We signed up for for years. We stopped signing up when I was at a bible study and heard Jenny Pruett talk about how they decide who gets to go to Jen’s house and they didn’t want “crazies” going.

These broads will buy a sign that says “gather” or “all are welcome here” while calling people crazy and corn eaters.

There is group of ex-ANCers and the stories are unbelievable. Not one of them left because of the LGBT stance.

[Anonymous]

How ironic, when you look up ANC’s website the first line on the link says, “a church where everyone belongs.”
Doesn’t sound all that inclusive after all. Many posts on this thread spoke of feeling unwelcome, even after serving and attempting to engage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

Where was this “mentioned?” What neighbor? How would a neighbor know this? Why would it be on Jen to pay everything back? Brandon has a job. And why are you referring to the lake house (not river btw) as her home? They owned it jointly. Sorry, but that’s a lot of loose assumptions and incorrect information to just casually drop and go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How ironic, when you look up ANC’s website the first line on the link says, “a church where everyone belongs.”
Doesn’t sound all that inclusive after all. Many posts on this thread spoke of feeling unwelcome, even after serving and attempting to engage.

Thanks for the insight on ANC. Because when Jen was writing about it ten plus years ago, I remember thinking, I would love to belong to a church like that. It sounds like it never really even existed. And if Jenny Pruett said that about not wanting the crazies there, that was wrong and very hurtful.

[Anonymous]

ANC was very very cliquish.

It was a place built to elevate one founder.

The rest who actually stayed?

Victims, corn-eaters and opportunists.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else wish they could get into the group chat of ex ANCers? We’ve been fed such self serving fantasy by Jen’s social media that hearing from real people telling the truth would be quite liberating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

Where was this “mentioned?” What neighbor? How would a neighbor know this? Why would it be on Jen to pay everything back? Brandon has a job. And why are you referring to the lake house (not river btw) as her home? They owned it jointly. Sorry, but that’s a lot of loose assumptions and incorrect information to just casually drop and go.

I gotta agree with you. Everything in the original comment has been widely speculated but never confirmed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

Where was this “mentioned?” What neighbor? How would a neighbor know this? Why would it be on Jen to pay everything back? Brandon has a job. And why are you referring to the lake house (not river btw) as her home? They owned it jointly. Sorry, but that’s a lot of loose assumptions and incorrect information to just casually drop and go.

Let’s debate house vs home. 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There is group of ex-ANCers and the stories are unbelievable. Not one of them left because of the LGBT stance.

This thread has been taking an uncomfortable homophobic turn the last few pages, implying that Jen's life went off track when she became affirming. It's been really gross. Then there's the comments like "Jen thinks she's the only one who's right and 2,000 years of Christianity is wrong," like there aren't many, many people of faith other than Jen wrestling with how the church has handled (or not) LGBTQIA issues. Newsflash, slavery & women as property used to be something "faithful Christians" believed was "okay." We can recognize that the Bible was written as a product of its culture, and reflects the inequalities of when it was written, and still be people of faith. Ugh.

Anyway, thanks for your comment ^ Unlike you, I never attended their church / met them in person, but similarly, my confusion with Jen is also with her drastic change in personality. Her becoming affirming isn't unique to her and isn't a cause/effect of her personality shift.

I really hope this thread doesn't continue to turn into a a weird, homophobic theological discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
There is group of ex-ANCers and the stories are unbelievable. Not one of them left because of the LGBT stance.

This thread has been taking an uncomfortable homophobic turn the last few pages, implying that Jen's life went off track when she became affirming. It's been really gross. Then there's the comments like "Jen thinks she's the only one who's right and 2,000 years of Christianity is wrong," like there aren't many, many people of faith other than Jen wrestling with how the church has handled (or not) LGBTQIA issues. Newsflash, slavery & women as property used to be something "faithful Christians" believed was "okay." We can recognize that the Bible was written as a product of its culture, and reflects the inequalities of when it was written, and still be people of faith. Ugh.

Anyway, thanks for your comment ^ Unlike you, I never attended their church / met them in person, but similarly, my confusion with Jen is also with her drastic change in personality. Her becoming affirming isn't unique to her and isn't a cause/effect of her personality shift.

I really hope this thread doesn't continue to turn into a a weird, homophobic theological discussion.

🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

Where was this “mentioned?” What neighbor? How would a neighbor know this? Why would it be on Jen to pay everything back? Brandon has a job. And why are you referring to the lake house (not river btw) as her home? They owned it jointly. Sorry, but that’s a lot of loose assumptions and incorrect information to just casually drop and go.

Let’s debate house vs home. 🙄

Cute attempt at being clever but the debate was over the initial comment referring to a river house when it was actually a lake house. I know, details are hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon has openly referred to his struggles as “addiction” and talked about “recovery”. He’s still posting pictures of himself drinking - so I would assume it wasn’t alcohol or drugs. What’s left besides gambling or sex?

Sex it is. Can’t possibly be anything else. Could be porn, gambling, pain killers, online chat sex lines, gay tendencies at the local adult video theater, I’ll advised business investments, perhaps anger issues or lashing out to certain children. Who knows. I’m sure there’s something out there.

It was mentioned somewhere by one of Jen's neighbors that Brandon stole money from his church and one of the charities. It's been up to Jen to pay the money back, which is why she had to sell her river home.

I’ve wondered if something like that happened, but why weren’t there legal ramifications?

Literally impossible. if it were, Brandon would be in jail and he would be responsible to pay it back, not Jen. They probably sold the river house to divide assets as you would any divorce.