VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"aggressive" and "kids who grow up in Vienna" don't really go together in the same sentence.

Yeah, I am pretty sure you are an expert on neither aggression nor Vienna, so stick to what you know, which is probably a lot of nothing.

[Anonymous]

Vienna resident and my son played for Vienna until he was 14 or so. He became much better player after leaving Vienna Get out of there as soon as possible. I’m serious.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure I am an expert on how kids from Vienna don't know how to be aggressive in soccer

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

Not to discredit your personal experience, but you go too far to say that "Vienna" as a whole doesn't play with hard work or hustle. There are players on VYS teams who put everything they have into every game; there are VYS coaches who demand full effort from every player on the field as well.

Is there some tension between coaches enforcing requirements about effort/hard work/hustle and parents who are paying thousands of dollars for their kid to be on the team, and would object to their kid being benched until his effort improved? Sure. But that's hardly unique to VYS. Name a club where this tension doesn't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

Not to discredit your personal experience, but you go too far to say that "Vienna" as a whole doesn't play with hard work or hustle. There are players on VYS teams who put everything they have into every game; there are VYS coaches who demand full effort from every player on the field as well.

Is there some tension between coaches enforcing requirements about effort/hard work/hustle and parents who are paying thousands of dollars for their kid to be on the team, and would object to their kid being benched until his effort improved? Sure. But that's hardly unique to VYS. Name a club where this tension doesn't exist.

The crappy part about generalizations is that they are often true. Vienna kids are soft. All of them? No. But the culture is not one that fosters hungry players, and that serves as a detriment to the kids who start out hungry and lose their passion and drive due to being surrounded by kids going through the motions. Soccer is a game of hustle. Without that, you'll never develop.

[Anonymous]

The kids are too nice. They don't grow up in a soccer culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kids are too nice. They don't grow up in a soccer culture.

What is soccer culture?

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

Not to discredit your personal experience, but you go too far to say that "Vienna" as a whole doesn't play with hard work or hustle. There are players on VYS teams who put everything they have into every game; there are VYS coaches who demand full effort from every player on the field as well.

Is there some tension between coaches enforcing requirements about effort/hard work/hustle and parents who are paying thousands of dollars for their kid to be on the team, and would object to their kid being benched until his effort improved? Sure. But that's hardly unique to VYS. Name a club where this tension doesn't exist.

The crappy part about generalizations is that they are often true. Vienna kids are soft. All of them? No. But the culture is not one that fosters hungry players, and that serves as a detriment to the kids who start out hungry and lose their passion and drive due to being surrounded by kids going through the motions. Soccer is a game of hustle. Without that, you'll never develop.

Meh. I'm hard pressed to believe that kids from places like Mclean, Arlington, Loudoun County, etc. are somehow innately more "hungry" than kids from Vienna (or frankly, near Vienna -- we don't live in Vienna, but it's the closest club to us). Hardly "soccer culture" street kids.

I think some people have a negative experience with a club, are bitter about it, and then make sweeping generalizations about the club.

So, name the NoVA club full of grit and hustle that's up to your standards, and then we can talk. (inb4 Samba Boyz and their dirty style of playing with intentional fouls and lunatic coach screaming the entire game.)

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

Not to discredit your personal experience, but you go too far to say that "Vienna" as a whole doesn't play with hard work or hustle. There are players on VYS teams who put everything they have into every game; there are VYS coaches who demand full effort from every player on the field as well.

Is there some tension between coaches enforcing requirements about effort/hard work/hustle and parents who are paying thousands of dollars for their kid to be on the team, and would object to their kid being benched until his effort improved? Sure. But that's hardly unique to VYS. Name a club where this tension doesn't exist.

The crappy part about generalizations is that they are often true. Vienna kids are soft. All of them? No. But the culture is not one that fosters hungry players, and that serves as a detriment to the kids who start out hungry and lose their passion and drive due to being surrounded by kids going through the motions. Soccer is a game of hustle. Without that, you'll never develop.

Meh. I'm hard pressed to believe that kids from places like Mclean, Arlington, Loudoun County, etc. are somehow innately more "hungry" than kids from Vienna (or frankly, near Vienna -- we don't live in Vienna, but it's the closest club to us). Hardly "soccer culture" street kids.

I think some people have a negative experience with a club, are bitter about it, and then make sweeping generalizations about the club.

So, name the NoVA club full of grit and hustle that's up to your standards, and then we can talk. (inb4 Samba Boyz and their dirty style of playing with intentional fouls and lunatic coach screaming the entire game.)

Show me a community with a larger first generation immigrant population, and I'll show you kids who hustle. All of them? No. All rich white kids lazy? No. But, there are trend lines. Also the clubs with ECNL (BRYC, Loudoun, McLean, and Arlington) have attracted kids from outside of their community who are there for competitive soccer platform and exposure that league offers. Vienna has that double whammy of rich kids and no advancement into ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:That's because VYS specializes in offering soccer babysitting services at the younger ages and doesn't really push the players that hard. Then when they get older you can see that they don't have that aggression that other teams do.

We used to be with Vienna and left two years ago because we got tired of being outhustled by inferior teams. Our son is with another club now and they all work throughout the entire game. While maybe not the most polite term to say "soft", it's probably an accurate description in general of VYS teams.

So now I guess your kid is on an inferior soccer team. Congrats.

Actually in a different league - against completely different competition. So, no. They do lose alot more than when at Vienna because the level of competition is so much higher. But, they're losing to extremely talented players and teams. All of the kids are getting better and learning how to play the game the right way - hard and with hustle - unlike in Vienna where it was wait for the ball to come to me and whine when I don't get my way.

Not to discredit your personal experience, but you go too far to say that "Vienna" as a whole doesn't play with hard work or hustle. There are players on VYS teams who put everything they have into every game; there are VYS coaches who demand full effort from every player on the field as well.

Is there some tension between coaches enforcing requirements about effort/hard work/hustle and parents who are paying thousands of dollars for their kid to be on the team, and would object to their kid being benched until his effort improved? Sure. But that's hardly unique to VYS. Name a club where this tension doesn't exist.

The crappy part about generalizations is that they are often true. Vienna kids are soft. All of them? No. But the culture is not one that fosters hungry players, and that serves as a detriment to the kids who start out hungry and lose their passion and drive due to being surrounded by kids going through the motions. Soccer is a game of hustle. Without that, you'll never develop.

Meh. I'm hard pressed to believe that kids from places like Mclean, Arlington, Loudoun County, etc. are somehow innately more "hungry" than kids from Vienna (or frankly, near Vienna -- we don't live in Vienna, but it's the closest club to us). Hardly "soccer culture" street kids.

I think some people have a negative experience with a club, are bitter about it, and then make sweeping generalizations about the club.

So, name the NoVA club full of grit and hustle that's up to your standards, and then we can talk. (inb4 Samba Boyz and their dirty style of playing with intentional fouls and lunatic coach screaming the entire game.)

It's nice to have coaches that don't yell and scream at referees and children, and parents that don't joystick from the sidelines (and yell and scream at referees and children). Getting maximum hustle and passion out of players without being too over the top as a coach and club is probably everyone's goal. Are there any clubs that do it well? Admittedly, DDs team was a little soft compared to some other teams at ulittles. They've learned the game well though and play really hard now too.

[Anonymous]

It's nice to have coaches that don't yell and scream at referees and children, and parents that don't joystick from the sidelines (and yell and scream at referees and children). Getting maximum hustle and passion out of players without being too over the top as a coach and club is probably everyone's goal. Are there any clubs that do it well? Admittedly, DDs team was a little soft compared to some other teams at ulittles. They've learned the game well though and play really hard now too.

See Villareal U12 for an example of out of control coach. That guy is a lunatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kids are too nice. They don't grow up in a soccer culture.

This is true about DD’s VYS team and it’s why she stays. We know exactly what it is and is not. The girls work hard, when they are there. But no, they did not grow up in soccer culture and many still are in multiple activities so they may miss from time to time. She has stayed with VYS for those reasons, it’s not a hardcore soccer environment. I have friends with kids the same age who take soccer more seriously and who have switched to other clubs. That’s the beauty of soccer. There are a lot of local options for every level.

[Anonymous]

Was there much turnover on the VYS A team rosters this year?

[Anonymous]

Is Vienna going to try and get full ECNL this year?