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Anonymous wrote:They've stated what the priority criteria for this process are, it's in their presentations if you attend any of the community meetings. Equity is not one of them.

6th grade MS would indeed require some changes... more or bigger MS (could potentially repurpose some of the admin centers similar to Dunn-Loring) and/or create some more secondary schools. They might need to phase it in over time rather than in one fell swoop. A 6th grade academy program would be a nice idea, but given the transport issues they're already dealing with trying to shift start times, etc. I doubt it would be realistic to implement. Anyway, point is I think there are options other than whatever massive rezoning you imagine as the only plausible alternative.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about wanting both HS and MS students to start at 830a or later as research suggests is best. I also don't think balancing capacity across schools periodically is idiotic, it's a sane best practice.

The problem is there have been so few changes for so long that many (vocal) people are ossified into this view that they're somehow entitled to attend the school they are currently zoned for in perpetuity. If you're looking for arrogance and ridiculousness, start there.

Ha you have a LOT to learn about the way school systems run
Did you WaATCH or attend any work sessions or board meetings about policy 8130?
This is definitely about equity. Both sandy anderson (whose kids go to majority white elementary schools) and st John’s Cummings have had tirades about parents who they think are racist in not wanting their kids moved. In fact Cummings said “equity is at the heart of this policy”

No one wants their kid moved in high school. No one wants their kid moved in middle school. Stability is important.

I think if you are talkin by about entitled people having a bunch of teens never ever have to wake up early with ensure these kids are late for work and never make that early college class because the logic in entitlement will spill over.

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Yiu have some warped
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If stabilty is so important, why do so many parents say they will move their kids to private if they get re-zoned?

DP. Guess they are saying that if there is going to be disruption either way, they will make the best of the situation.

Another DP and I agree with this. If you’re going to blow up a school community and kids end up going to a different school from their friends, might as well go private and get to choose the school environment. I think it also depends on the age of people’s kids. If your kids are still young and they have this policy that they can review every 5 years and make more changes, then maybe you go private to make sure your kids can stay at the same school from K-8 or whatever.

It’s concerning to me that people who are in favor of these large scale boundary changes don’t seem capable of thinking through all the different scenarios and how different families might respond.

Reid and the school board do not care about individual schools or students. They care about getting test scores to be more similar across schools because the disparities (and some schools “failing”) makes them look bad. If you believe otherwise you are falling for some BS.

I get to decide whether or not these people use my kids in order to make themselves look better. If my kids get moved to a lower performing school so they can try to bring that school up, we are out… either a move to a different county or private. I suspect many others feel the same way.

Not everybody has the means for private school. Real estate is already incredibly expensive around here, so this is a very privileged response. Note everybody is able to spend 20-40k PER year PER kid for school. I do recognize that much of FFX likely can, but many in those income brackets are already sending their kids to private.

But ask yourself, honestly, think about this, is there a correlation between SES and academic performance that will end up blunting any of these boundary equity moves when they occur? If all the families that can move or go private do, is that substantially a better population at those poorer performing schools? Or are you just adding LMC to those schools?

Then ask yourself if you are doing a disservice to the LMC kids that you move, and whether the school board is contributing to a further degradation and segregation of schools?

I have always considered public school a public good, that’s why, even though we can afford private we haven’t sent our kids there. This has been a fundamental Democratic Party platform plank over the years. We will contribute more to certain populations’ education, but don’t mess with our kids’ ability to get a good education. But the school board doesn’t seem to get this democratic pillar and instead seems hell bent on making UMC go private or elsewhere.

This is exactly what will happen. I must be one of the few people here who grew up in a place where the school boundaries were crazy in order to balance demographics. The majority of people MC and above do what it takes to make private school work. I knew very few people who went to public, even people who really didn’t have a lot of money found a way to make it work.

Nobody felt an ounce of guilt for doing this either. Normal people do what they feel is best for their kids. It’s a very weird DC area (and maybe SF?) thing to be like “I need to send my kids to public school no matter what because I believe in it”. Who cares if other people think you are privileged for choosing private school. It’s none of their business and not your fault if other people can’t afford it.

It’s wild to me that FCPS wants to push forward with sticking it to the ‘privileged’ in order to achieve equity when the recent election showed that this thinking is clearly being rejected by the American people… including working class people and including Fairfax County which had much closer margins than 2020. I guess the school board wants Winsome Sears to be the next governor.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but before we imported a large amount of poverty, FCPS high schools were much more balanced. Over the last 25 years that poverty, combined with sites like Great Schools, very open pupil placement, and boundary changes that moved wealthier families to wealthier schools, the Fairfax population has managed to segregate itself. Just facts. Now it is not palatable to many families to make adjustments. So here we are.

None of the above is the fault of individual families. Those were choices made by Fairfax County and/or FCPS. Most of us don't appreciate being punished for bad choices made by others. If they want to make their poor planning my problem, I'm out.

That is true. It has been a collective effort by the population of Fairfax County. Now some people are left holding the bag. In particular, some long term residents have been screwed.

It takes real gall to beg for a handout in the form of redistricting other people’s kids to try to help your own property values, especially when you knew your pyramid when you bought.

Or maybe people bought off Gambrill and never did their research about where that area used to attend.

I blame realtors. They shouldn't put certain phrases in their listings....it is subjective anyway.

I am so sorry but the Gambrill.argument is just so stupid.

I don't live in that neighborhood, but anyone who has ever driven a car in that area knows that it would be beyond ludicrous to zone the Gambrill neighborhood to Lewis.

Saratoga Mom's fixation on Hunt Valley is simply ludicrous and not based on any current traffic patterns or reality.

Not really, it's straight down the parkway and then left on whatever that road is in front of the mall. Those houses used to go to Lewis (lee)

That can be a 25 to 30 minute drive during traffic times, past the metro, the mixing bowl and the mall.

It can take 15 minute just to go from the mall through that major mixing bowl interchange into the Lewis parking lot.

WSHS is bikeable from the Gambril neighborhoods, or a short 10 minute drive through neighborhood roads.

You live there. And what you say is false. I bet we can pool the Tesla data from drivers in the area and prove it.

Agree. You can say I don't want kids in that neighborhood going to Lewis because of X, Y, or Z is fine....but to hide behind traffic that isn't that bad? I take the Metro to downttown DC everyday and there is never backup near the metro. The traffic to the highway might add an additional 2-4 minutes in the morning only.
On one side of the county you have people trying to use the mixing bowl and a highway as a "natural barrier" (what?! have you even seen our crazy zoning maps?) and on the other side of the county you have people sending their kids on a bus for 30+ minutes to go to Langley. Just say why you really dont want that school.

Ding, ding, ding!

Because we chose our current pyramid. Your attempt at identity politics fear mongering was soundly defeated in November. Sorry.

Here comes another right winger attempting to politicize everything. Not everything has to do with "identity politics". Yes, populations have grown in the past few decades, neighborhoods built, demographics changed. You can also simultaneously want to protect your kids from change if you specifically invested into certain areas believing it directly coincided with their education.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

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Anonymous wrote:They've stated what the priority criteria for this process are, it's in their presentations if you attend any of the community meetings. Equity is not one of them.

6th grade MS would indeed require some changes... more or bigger MS (could potentially repurpose some of the admin centers similar to Dunn-Loring) and/or create some more secondary schools. They might need to phase it in over time rather than in one fell swoop. A 6th grade academy program would be a nice idea, but given the transport issues they're already dealing with trying to shift start times, etc. I doubt it would be realistic to implement. Anyway, point is I think there are options other than whatever massive rezoning you imagine as the only plausible alternative.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about wanting both HS and MS students to start at 830a or later as research suggests is best. I also don't think balancing capacity across schools periodically is idiotic, it's a sane best practice.

The problem is there have been so few changes for so long that many (vocal) people are ossified into this view that they're somehow entitled to attend the school they are currently zoned for in perpetuity. If you're looking for arrogance and ridiculousness, start there.

Ha you have a LOT to learn about the way school systems run
Did you WaATCH or attend any work sessions or board meetings about policy 8130?
This is definitely about equity. Both sandy anderson (whose kids go to majority white elementary schools) and st John’s Cummings have had tirades about parents who they think are racist in not wanting their kids moved. In fact Cummings said “equity is at the heart of this policy”

No one wants their kid moved in high school. No one wants their kid moved in middle school. Stability is important.

I think if you are talkin by about entitled people having a bunch of teens never ever have to wake up early with ensure these kids are late for work and never make that early college class because the logic in entitlement will spill over.

T
Yiu have some warped
priorities

If stabilty is so important, why do so many parents say they will move their kids to private if they get re-zoned?

DP. Guess they are saying that if there is going to be disruption either way, they will make the best of the situation.

Another DP and I agree with this. If you’re going to blow up a school community and kids end up going to a different school from their friends, might as well go private and get to choose the school environment. I think it also depends on the age of people’s kids. If your kids are still young and they have this policy that they can review every 5 years and make more changes, then maybe you go private to make sure your kids can stay at the same school from K-8 or whatever.

It’s concerning to me that people who are in favor of these large scale boundary changes don’t seem capable of thinking through all the different scenarios and how different families might respond.

Reid and the school board do not care about individual schools or students. They care about getting test scores to be more similar across schools because the disparities (and some schools “failing”) makes them look bad. If you believe otherwise you are falling for some BS.

I get to decide whether or not these people use my kids in order to make themselves look better. If my kids get moved to a lower performing school so they can try to bring that school up, we are out… either a move to a different county or private. I suspect many others feel the same way.

Not everybody has the means for private school. Real estate is already incredibly expensive around here, so this is a very privileged response. Note everybody is able to spend 20-40k PER year PER kid for school. I do recognize that much of FFX likely can, but many in those income brackets are already sending their kids to private.

But ask yourself, honestly, think about this, is there a correlation between SES and academic performance that will end up blunting any of these boundary equity moves when they occur? If all the families that can move or go private do, is that substantially a better population at those poorer performing schools? Or are you just adding LMC to those schools?

Then ask yourself if you are doing a disservice to the LMC kids that you move, and whether the school board is contributing to a further degradation and segregation of schools?

I have always considered public school a public good, that’s why, even though we can afford private we haven’t sent our kids there. This has been a fundamental Democratic Party platform plank over the years. We will contribute more to certain populations’ education, but don’t mess with our kids’ ability to get a good education. But the school board doesn’t seem to get this democratic pillar and instead seems hell bent on making UMC go private or elsewhere.

This is exactly what will happen. I must be one of the few people here who grew up in a place where the school boundaries were crazy in order to balance demographics. The majority of people MC and above do what it takes to make private school work. I knew very few people who went to public, even people who really didn’t have a lot of money found a way to make it work.

Nobody felt an ounce of guilt for doing this either. Normal people do what they feel is best for their kids. It’s a very weird DC area (and maybe SF?) thing to be like “I need to send my kids to public school no matter what because I believe in it”. Who cares if other people think you are privileged for choosing private school. It’s none of their business and not your fault if other people can’t afford it.

It’s wild to me that FCPS wants to push forward with sticking it to the ‘privileged’ in order to achieve equity when the recent election showed that this thinking is clearly being rejected by the American people… including working class people and including Fairfax County which had much closer margins than 2020. I guess the school board wants Winsome Sears to be the next governor.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but before we imported a large amount of poverty, FCPS high schools were much more balanced. Over the last 25 years that poverty, combined with sites like Great Schools, very open pupil placement, and boundary changes that moved wealthier families to wealthier schools, the Fairfax population has managed to segregate itself. Just facts. Now it is not palatable to many families to make adjustments. So here we are.

None of the above is the fault of individual families. Those were choices made by Fairfax County and/or FCPS. Most of us don't appreciate being punished for bad choices made by others. If they want to make their poor planning my problem, I'm out.

That is true. It has been a collective effort by the population of Fairfax County. Now some people are left holding the bag. In particular, some long term residents have been screwed.

It takes real gall to beg for a handout in the form of redistricting other people’s kids to try to help your own property values, especially when you knew your pyramid when you bought.

Or maybe people bought off Gambrill and never did their research about where that area used to attend.

I blame realtors. They shouldn't put certain phrases in their listings....it is subjective anyway.

I am so sorry but the Gambrill.argument is just so stupid.

I don't live in that neighborhood, but anyone who has ever driven a car in that area knows that it would be beyond ludicrous to zone the Gambrill neighborhood to Lewis.

Saratoga Mom's fixation on Hunt Valley is simply ludicrous and not based on any current traffic patterns or reality.

Not really, it's straight down the parkway and then left on whatever that road is in front of the mall. Those houses used to go to Lewis (lee)

That can be a 25 to 30 minute drive during traffic times, past the metro, the mixing bowl and the mall.

It can take 15 minute just to go from the mall through that major mixing bowl interchange into the Lewis parking lot.

WSHS is bikeable from the Gambril neighborhoods, or a short 10 minute drive through neighborhood roads.

You live there. And what you say is false. I bet we can pool the Tesla data from drivers in the area and prove it.

Agree. You can say I don't want kids in that neighborhood going to Lewis because of X, Y, or Z is fine....but to hide behind traffic that isn't that bad? I take the Metro to downttown DC everyday and there is never backup near the metro. The traffic to the highway might add an additional 2-4 minutes in the morning only.
On one side of the county you have people trying to use the mixing bowl and a highway as a "natural barrier" (what?! have you even seen our crazy zoning maps?) and on the other side of the county you have people sending their kids on a bus for 30+ minutes to go to Langley. Just say why you really dont want that school.

Don’t lie about commute time. It makes you sound desperate sweetie.

I don't think that poster is lying. Just look at the bus times from Gambrill to the metro. It lists 10 minutes, during peak times.

+1. The original poster claiming half hour commute times to Lee sounds like sombody that is never on the road before 10am.

I can make up commute times too!

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

I'm curious to see how this goes. The group of schools closest to MVHS are all clustered together and walkable to Sandburg. Hybla Valley isn't wakable to Sandburg or West Potomac, but they would never do that. The rest of the pyramid isn't close to MVHS at all

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

West Potomac —> Mount Vernon is a good point, especially since they’ve cited Whitman being out of bounds. Mount Vernon is the only other sub-2000 high school.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

West Potomac —> Mount Vernon is a good point, especially since they’ve cited Whitman being out of bounds. Mount Vernon is the only other sub-2000 high school.

Whitman is going to stay out of bounds unless they make Sandburg a split feeder or move Hollin Meadows to MVHS, but that makes them an island in the middle of WestPo. Sandburg is too big for MVHS and Whitman is too small for WestPo

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

West Potomac —> Mount Vernon is a good point, especially since they’ve cited Whitman being out of bounds. Mount Vernon is the only other sub-2000 high school.

Whitman is going to stay out of bounds unless they make Sandburg a split feeder or move Hollin Meadows to MVHS, but that makes them an island in the middle of WestPo. Sandburg is too big for MVHS and Whitman is too small for WestPo

Agreed, but they could shift the boundary between Stratford Landing and Hollin Meadows around Little Hunting Creek to make a boundary to MVHS continuous.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

West Potomac —> Mount Vernon is a good point, especially since they’ve cited Whitman being out of bounds. Mount Vernon is the only other sub-2000 high school.

Whitman is going to stay out of bounds unless they make Sandburg a split feeder or move Hollin Meadows to MVHS, but that makes them an island in the middle of WestPo. Sandburg is too big for MVHS and Whitman is too small for WestPo

Agreed, but they could shift the boundary between Stratford Landing and Hollin Meadows around Little Hunting Creek to make a boundary to MVHS continuous.

That takes almost all of the FARMS students from Stratford Landing and sends them to Mt Vernon. Cleave off the Ft Hunt attendance island and you make all of Fort Hunt Waynewoods which they will never do

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Anonymous wrote:They've stated what the priority criteria for this process are, it's in their presentations if you attend any of the community meetings. Equity is not one of them.

6th grade MS would indeed require some changes... more or bigger MS (could potentially repurpose some of the admin centers similar to Dunn-Loring) and/or create some more secondary schools. They might need to phase it in over time rather than in one fell swoop. A 6th grade academy program would be a nice idea, but given the transport issues they're already dealing with trying to shift start times, etc. I doubt it would be realistic to implement. Anyway, point is I think there are options other than whatever massive rezoning you imagine as the only plausible alternative.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about wanting both HS and MS students to start at 830a or later as research suggests is best. I also don't think balancing capacity across schools periodically is idiotic, it's a sane best practice.

The problem is there have been so few changes for so long that many (vocal) people are ossified into this view that they're somehow entitled to attend the school they are currently zoned for in perpetuity. If you're looking for arrogance and ridiculousness, start there.

Ha you have a LOT to learn about the way school systems run
Did you WaATCH or attend any work sessions or board meetings about policy 8130?
This is definitely about equity. Both sandy anderson (whose kids go to majority white elementary schools) and st John’s Cummings have had tirades about parents who they think are racist in not wanting their kids moved. In fact Cummings said “equity is at the heart of this policy”

No one wants their kid moved in high school. No one wants their kid moved in middle school. Stability is important.

I think if you are talkin by about entitled people having a bunch of teens never ever have to wake up early with ensure these kids are late for work and never make that early college class because the logic in entitlement will spill over.

T
Yiu have some warped
priorities

If stabilty is so important, why do so many parents say they will move their kids to private if they get re-zoned?

DP. Guess they are saying that if there is going to be disruption either way, they will make the best of the situation.

Another DP and I agree with this. If you’re going to blow up a school community and kids end up going to a different school from their friends, might as well go private and get to choose the school environment. I think it also depends on the age of people’s kids. If your kids are still young and they have this policy that they can review every 5 years and make more changes, then maybe you go private to make sure your kids can stay at the same school from K-8 or whatever.

It’s concerning to me that people who are in favor of these large scale boundary changes don’t seem capable of thinking through all the different scenarios and how different families might respond.

Reid and the school board do not care about individual schools or students. They care about getting test scores to be more similar across schools because the disparities (and some schools “failing”) makes them look bad. If you believe otherwise you are falling for some BS.

I get to decide whether or not these people use my kids in order to make themselves look better. If my kids get moved to a lower performing school so they can try to bring that school up, we are out… either a move to a different county or private. I suspect many others feel the same way.

Not everybody has the means for private school. Real estate is already incredibly expensive around here, so this is a very privileged response. Note everybody is able to spend 20-40k PER year PER kid for school. I do recognize that much of FFX likely can, but many in those income brackets are already sending their kids to private.

But ask yourself, honestly, think about this, is there a correlation between SES and academic performance that will end up blunting any of these boundary equity moves when they occur? If all the families that can move or go private do, is that substantially a better population at those poorer performing schools? Or are you just adding LMC to those schools?

Then ask yourself if you are doing a disservice to the LMC kids that you move, and whether the school board is contributing to a further degradation and segregation of schools?

I have always considered public school a public good, that’s why, even though we can afford private we haven’t sent our kids there. This has been a fundamental Democratic Party platform plank over the years. We will contribute more to certain populations’ education, but don’t mess with our kids’ ability to get a good education. But the school board doesn’t seem to get this democratic pillar and instead seems hell bent on making UMC go private or elsewhere.

This is exactly what will happen. I must be one of the few people here who grew up in a place where the school boundaries were crazy in order to balance demographics. The majority of people MC and above do what it takes to make private school work. I knew very few people who went to public, even people who really didn’t have a lot of money found a way to make it work.

Nobody felt an ounce of guilt for doing this either. Normal people do what they feel is best for their kids. It’s a very weird DC area (and maybe SF?) thing to be like “I need to send my kids to public school no matter what because I believe in it”. Who cares if other people think you are privileged for choosing private school. It’s none of their business and not your fault if other people can’t afford it.

It’s wild to me that FCPS wants to push forward with sticking it to the ‘privileged’ in order to achieve equity when the recent election showed that this thinking is clearly being rejected by the American people… including working class people and including Fairfax County which had much closer margins than 2020. I guess the school board wants Winsome Sears to be the next governor.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but before we imported a large amount of poverty, FCPS high schools were much more balanced. Over the last 25 years that poverty, combined with sites like Great Schools, very open pupil placement, and boundary changes that moved wealthier families to wealthier schools, the Fairfax population has managed to segregate itself. Just facts. Now it is not palatable to many families to make adjustments. So here we are.

None of the above is the fault of individual families. Those were choices made by Fairfax County and/or FCPS. Most of us don't appreciate being punished for bad choices made by others. If they want to make their poor planning my problem, I'm out.

That is true. It has been a collective effort by the population of Fairfax County. Now some people are left holding the bag. In particular, some long term residents have been screwed.

It takes real gall to beg for a handout in the form of redistricting other people’s kids to try to help your own property values, especially when you knew your pyramid when you bought.

Or maybe people bought off Gambrill and never did their research about where that area used to attend.

I blame realtors. They shouldn't put certain phrases in their listings....it is subjective anyway.

I am so sorry but the Gambrill.argument is just so stupid.

I don't live in that neighborhood, but anyone who has ever driven a car in that area knows that it would be beyond ludicrous to zone the Gambrill neighborhood to Lewis.

Saratoga Mom's fixation on Hunt Valley is simply ludicrous and not based on any current traffic patterns or reality.

Not really, it's straight down the parkway and then left on whatever that road is in front of the mall. Those houses used to go to Lewis (lee)

That can be a 25 to 30 minute drive during traffic times, past the metro, the mixing bowl and the mall.

It can take 15 minute just to go from the mall through that major mixing bowl interchange into the Lewis parking lot.

WSHS is bikeable from the Gambril neighborhoods, or a short 10 minute drive through neighborhood roads.

You live there. And what you say is false. I bet we can pool the Tesla data from drivers in the area and prove it.

Agree. You can say I don't want kids in that neighborhood going to Lewis because of X, Y, or Z is fine....but to hide behind traffic that isn't that bad? I take the Metro to downttown DC everyday and there is never backup near the metro. The traffic to the highway might add an additional 2-4 minutes in the morning only.
On one side of the county you have people trying to use the mixing bowl and a highway as a "natural barrier" (what?! have you even seen our crazy zoning maps?) and on the other side of the county you have people sending their kids on a bus for 30+ minutes to go to Langley. Just say why you really dont want that school.

The mixing bowl argument is an interesting one, because that notion of a natural boundary implies that Crestwood and Lynbrook rightly belong to West Springfield and not Lewis. Take those two feeders away from Lewis and Lewis's rating would take a dramatic bump. So yes, it really boils down to a matter of unwanted elementary schools.

Add Garfield Elementary to that mix. It is, as another poster would claim, "bikeable" to Irving and WSHS.

I mean, it is. But so are all the schools you’re proposing to move out of WS to prop up Lewis.

When some of the Gambrill neighborhoods were moved out of Lewis, it was to fix HVES as a split feeder. Fixing split feeders was a stated goal of this whole boundary exercise right now, and you want to create another split feeder that was fixed ~20 years ago for what reason? It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Pretty sure it wasn't to fix the split feeder back then. It was to avoid South County. And who said anything about creating a split feeder. You could literally shift the kids south of the parkway to Saratoga. That would allow more room at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Nobody was trying to “avoid South County,” it was a brand new school at the time that draws (still does) from some nice areas. It just immediately opened at capacity and couldn’t accept any more students than what it had to get from Hayfield. The Gambrill neighborhoods that go to HV are quite a bit closer to HV than they are to Saratoga. Many of them are quite a bit closer to Newington Forest and South County than they are to either school actually.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

West Potomac —> Mount Vernon is a good point, especially since they’ve cited Whitman being out of bounds. Mount Vernon is the only other sub-2000 high school.

Whitman is going to stay out of bounds unless they make Sandburg a split feeder or move Hollin Meadows to MVHS, but that makes them an island in the middle of WestPo. Sandburg is too big for MVHS and Whitman is too small for WestPo

Agreed, but they could shift the boundary between Stratford Landing and Hollin Meadows around Little Hunting Creek to make a boundary to MVHS continuous.

That takes almost all of the FARMS students from Stratford Landing and sends them to Mt Vernon. Cleave off the Ft Hunt attendance island and you make all of Fort Hunt Waynewoods which they will never do

The Fort Hunt attendance island has also been cited by Dunne as being in the Mount Vernon Woods walking zone. There’s no fixing those attendance islands without nuking MVWES and Hybla Valleys FARM rates.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

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Anonymous wrote:They've stated what the priority criteria for this process are, it's in their presentations if you attend any of the community meetings. Equity is not one of them.

6th grade MS would indeed require some changes... more or bigger MS (could potentially repurpose some of the admin centers similar to Dunn-Loring) and/or create some more secondary schools. They might need to phase it in over time rather than in one fell swoop. A 6th grade academy program would be a nice idea, but given the transport issues they're already dealing with trying to shift start times, etc. I doubt it would be realistic to implement. Anyway, point is I think there are options other than whatever massive rezoning you imagine as the only plausible alternative.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about wanting both HS and MS students to start at 830a or later as research suggests is best. I also don't think balancing capacity across schools periodically is idiotic, it's a sane best practice.

The problem is there have been so few changes for so long that many (vocal) people are ossified into this view that they're somehow entitled to attend the school they are currently zoned for in perpetuity. If you're looking for arrogance and ridiculousness, start there.

Ha you have a LOT to learn about the way school systems run
Did you WaATCH or attend any work sessions or board meetings about policy 8130?
This is definitely about equity. Both sandy anderson (whose kids go to majority white elementary schools) and st John’s Cummings have had tirades about parents who they think are racist in not wanting their kids moved. In fact Cummings said “equity is at the heart of this policy”

No one wants their kid moved in high school. No one wants their kid moved in middle school. Stability is important.

I think if you are talkin by about entitled people having a bunch of teens never ever have to wake up early with ensure these kids are late for work and never make that early college class because the logic in entitlement will spill over.

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If stabilty is so important, why do so many parents say they will move their kids to private if they get re-zoned?

DP. Guess they are saying that if there is going to be disruption either way, they will make the best of the situation.

Another DP and I agree with this. If you’re going to blow up a school community and kids end up going to a different school from their friends, might as well go private and get to choose the school environment. I think it also depends on the age of people’s kids. If your kids are still young and they have this policy that they can review every 5 years and make more changes, then maybe you go private to make sure your kids can stay at the same school from K-8 or whatever.

It’s concerning to me that people who are in favor of these large scale boundary changes don’t seem capable of thinking through all the different scenarios and how different families might respond.

Reid and the school board do not care about individual schools or students. They care about getting test scores to be more similar across schools because the disparities (and some schools “failing”) makes them look bad. If you believe otherwise you are falling for some BS.

I get to decide whether or not these people use my kids in order to make themselves look better. If my kids get moved to a lower performing school so they can try to bring that school up, we are out… either a move to a different county or private. I suspect many others feel the same way.

Not everybody has the means for private school. Real estate is already incredibly expensive around here, so this is a very privileged response. Note everybody is able to spend 20-40k PER year PER kid for school. I do recognize that much of FFX likely can, but many in those income brackets are already sending their kids to private.

But ask yourself, honestly, think about this, is there a correlation between SES and academic performance that will end up blunting any of these boundary equity moves when they occur? If all the families that can move or go private do, is that substantially a better population at those poorer performing schools? Or are you just adding LMC to those schools?

Then ask yourself if you are doing a disservice to the LMC kids that you move, and whether the school board is contributing to a further degradation and segregation of schools?

I have always considered public school a public good, that’s why, even though we can afford private we haven’t sent our kids there. This has been a fundamental Democratic Party platform plank over the years. We will contribute more to certain populations’ education, but don’t mess with our kids’ ability to get a good education. But the school board doesn’t seem to get this democratic pillar and instead seems hell bent on making UMC go private or elsewhere.

This is exactly what will happen. I must be one of the few people here who grew up in a place where the school boundaries were crazy in order to balance demographics. The majority of people MC and above do what it takes to make private school work. I knew very few people who went to public, even people who really didn’t have a lot of money found a way to make it work.

Nobody felt an ounce of guilt for doing this either. Normal people do what they feel is best for their kids. It’s a very weird DC area (and maybe SF?) thing to be like “I need to send my kids to public school no matter what because I believe in it”. Who cares if other people think you are privileged for choosing private school. It’s none of their business and not your fault if other people can’t afford it.

It’s wild to me that FCPS wants to push forward with sticking it to the ‘privileged’ in order to achieve equity when the recent election showed that this thinking is clearly being rejected by the American people… including working class people and including Fairfax County which had much closer margins than 2020. I guess the school board wants Winsome Sears to be the next governor.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but before we imported a large amount of poverty, FCPS high schools were much more balanced. Over the last 25 years that poverty, combined with sites like Great Schools, very open pupil placement, and boundary changes that moved wealthier families to wealthier schools, the Fairfax population has managed to segregate itself. Just facts. Now it is not palatable to many families to make adjustments. So here we are.

None of the above is the fault of individual families. Those were choices made by Fairfax County and/or FCPS. Most of us don't appreciate being punished for bad choices made by others. If they want to make their poor planning my problem, I'm out.

That is true. It has been a collective effort by the population of Fairfax County. Now some people are left holding the bag. In particular, some long term residents have been screwed.

It takes real gall to beg for a handout in the form of redistricting other people’s kids to try to help your own property values, especially when you knew your pyramid when you bought.

Or maybe people bought off Gambrill and never did their research about where that area used to attend.

I blame realtors. They shouldn't put certain phrases in their listings....it is subjective anyway.

I am so sorry but the Gambrill.argument is just so stupid.

I don't live in that neighborhood, but anyone who has ever driven a car in that area knows that it would be beyond ludicrous to zone the Gambrill neighborhood to Lewis.

Saratoga Mom's fixation on Hunt Valley is simply ludicrous and not based on any current traffic patterns or reality.

Not really, it's straight down the parkway and then left on whatever that road is in front of the mall. Those houses used to go to Lewis (lee)

That can be a 25 to 30 minute drive during traffic times, past the metro, the mixing bowl and the mall.

It can take 15 minute just to go from the mall through that major mixing bowl interchange into the Lewis parking lot.

WSHS is bikeable from the Gambril neighborhoods, or a short 10 minute drive through neighborhood roads.

You live there. And what you say is false. I bet we can pool the Tesla data from drivers in the area and prove it.

Agree. You can say I don't want kids in that neighborhood going to Lewis because of X, Y, or Z is fine....but to hide behind traffic that isn't that bad? I take the Metro to downttown DC everyday and there is never backup near the metro. The traffic to the highway might add an additional 2-4 minutes in the morning only.
On one side of the county you have people trying to use the mixing bowl and a highway as a "natural barrier" (what?! have you even seen our crazy zoning maps?) and on the other side of the county you have people sending their kids on a bus for 30+ minutes to go to Langley. Just say why you really dont want that school.

Ding, ding, ding!

Because we chose our current pyramid. Your attempt at identity politics fear mongering was soundly defeated in November. Sorry.

Here comes another right winger attempting to politicize everything. Not everything has to do with "identity politics". Yes, populations have grown in the past few decades, neighborhoods built, demographics changed. You can also simultaneously want to protect your kids from change if you specifically invested into certain areas believing it directly coincided with their education.

Actually, I voted straight blue my entire life until this past election. The party really needs to do some navel gazing to make sure they don’t end up in the wilderness. Turns out F’ing with people’s kids and their education can turn a blue constituency much less blue.

Dismiss the issue at your own peril.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

Could be centreville too. They have an expansion planned but it’s over five years out and the school is pretty overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it seems like there are a lot of people who won't be very impacted by whatever changes result from this, but some BIG area where people will be greatly impacted. For those who are new to this, what are the top areas where people anticipate (and maybe fear) boundary changes?

The most controversial are:

WSHS —> Lewis
Langley —> Herndon

Less controversial:

McLean —> Langley
McLean —> FCHS
Elementary school attendance islands

Runner up:

Mantua mobilizing in case they’re sent to FCHS
Split feeders

Marshall to Madison?

West Potomac to Mount Vernon?

Chantilly to Westfield + Westfield to Herndon

All conjectural of course. But if they muck around with Chantilly that’s going to be somewhere in between your “most controversial” and “less controversial” categories. Same for moving any part of West Potomac to Mount Vernon.

Is the only school that they would send Chantilly kids to Westfield? How do we find out what they are planning?

Could be centreville too. They have an expansion planned but it’s over five years out and the school is pretty overcrowded.

Can’t put those kids in Centreville yet. Fairfax high maybe? I know Greenbriar East is a split feeder and all the apartments in Fair Lakes go to Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:They've stated what the priority criteria for this process are, it's in their presentations if you attend any of the community meetings. Equity is not one of them.

6th grade MS would indeed require some changes... more or bigger MS (could potentially repurpose some of the admin centers similar to Dunn-Loring) and/or create some more secondary schools. They might need to phase it in over time rather than in one fell swoop. A 6th grade academy program would be a nice idea, but given the transport issues they're already dealing with trying to shift start times, etc. I doubt it would be realistic to implement. Anyway, point is I think there are options other than whatever massive rezoning you imagine as the only plausible alternative.

I don't think there's anything ridiculous about wanting both HS and MS students to start at 830a or later as research suggests is best. I also don't think balancing capacity across schools periodically is idiotic, it's a sane best practice.

The problem is there have been so few changes for so long that many (vocal) people are ossified into this view that they're somehow entitled to attend the school they are currently zoned for in perpetuity. If you're looking for arrogance and ridiculousness, start there.

Ha you have a LOT to learn about the way school systems run
Did you WaATCH or attend any work sessions or board meetings about policy 8130?
This is definitely about equity. Both sandy anderson (whose kids go to majority white elementary schools) and st John’s Cummings have had tirades about parents who they think are racist in not wanting their kids moved. In fact Cummings said “equity is at the heart of this policy”

No one wants their kid moved in high school. No one wants their kid moved in middle school. Stability is important.

I think if you are talkin by about entitled people having a bunch of teens never ever have to wake up early with ensure these kids are late for work and never make that early college class because the logic in entitlement will spill over.

T
Yiu have some warped
priorities

If stabilty is so important, why do so many parents say they will move their kids to private if they get re-zoned?

DP. Guess they are saying that if there is going to be disruption either way, they will make the best of the situation.

Another DP and I agree with this. If you’re going to blow up a school community and kids end up going to a different school from their friends, might as well go private and get to choose the school environment. I think it also depends on the age of people’s kids. If your kids are still young and they have this policy that they can review every 5 years and make more changes, then maybe you go private to make sure your kids can stay at the same school from K-8 or whatever.

It’s concerning to me that people who are in favor of these large scale boundary changes don’t seem capable of thinking through all the different scenarios and how different families might respond.

Reid and the school board do not care about individual schools or students. They care about getting test scores to be more similar across schools because the disparities (and some schools “failing”) makes them look bad. If you believe otherwise you are falling for some BS.

I get to decide whether or not these people use my kids in order to make themselves look better. If my kids get moved to a lower performing school so they can try to bring that school up, we are out… either a move to a different county or private. I suspect many others feel the same way.

Not everybody has the means for private school. Real estate is already incredibly expensive around here, so this is a very privileged response. Note everybody is able to spend 20-40k PER year PER kid for school. I do recognize that much of FFX likely can, but many in those income brackets are already sending their kids to private.

But ask yourself, honestly, think about this, is there a correlation between SES and academic performance that will end up blunting any of these boundary equity moves when they occur? If all the families that can move or go private do, is that substantially a better population at those poorer performing schools? Or are you just adding LMC to those schools?

Then ask yourself if you are doing a disservice to the LMC kids that you move, and whether the school board is contributing to a further degradation and segregation of schools?

I have always considered public school a public good, that’s why, even though we can afford private we haven’t sent our kids there. This has been a fundamental Democratic Party platform plank over the years. We will contribute more to certain populations’ education, but don’t mess with our kids’ ability to get a good education. But the school board doesn’t seem to get this democratic pillar and instead seems hell bent on making UMC go private or elsewhere.

This is exactly what will happen. I must be one of the few people here who grew up in a place where the school boundaries were crazy in order to balance demographics. The majority of people MC and above do what it takes to make private school work. I knew very few people who went to public, even people who really didn’t have a lot of money found a way to make it work.

Nobody felt an ounce of guilt for doing this either. Normal people do what they feel is best for their kids. It’s a very weird DC area (and maybe SF?) thing to be like “I need to send my kids to public school no matter what because I believe in it”. Who cares if other people think you are privileged for choosing private school. It’s none of their business and not your fault if other people can’t afford it.

It’s wild to me that FCPS wants to push forward with sticking it to the ‘privileged’ in order to achieve equity when the recent election showed that this thinking is clearly being rejected by the American people… including working class people and including Fairfax County which had much closer margins than 2020. I guess the school board wants Winsome Sears to be the next governor.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but before we imported a large amount of poverty, FCPS high schools were much more balanced. Over the last 25 years that poverty, combined with sites like Great Schools, very open pupil placement, and boundary changes that moved wealthier families to wealthier schools, the Fairfax population has managed to segregate itself. Just facts. Now it is not palatable to many families to make adjustments. So here we are.

None of the above is the fault of individual families. Those were choices made by Fairfax County and/or FCPS. Most of us don't appreciate being punished for bad choices made by others. If they want to make their poor planning my problem, I'm out.

That is true. It has been a collective effort by the population of Fairfax County. Now some people are left holding the bag. In particular, some long term residents have been screwed.

It takes real gall to beg for a handout in the form of redistricting other people’s kids to try to help your own property values, especially when you knew your pyramid when you bought.

Or maybe people bought off Gambrill and never did their research about where that area used to attend.

I blame realtors. They shouldn't put certain phrases in their listings....it is subjective anyway.

I am so sorry but the Gambrill.argument is just so stupid.

I don't live in that neighborhood, but anyone who has ever driven a car in that area knows that it would be beyond ludicrous to zone the Gambrill neighborhood to Lewis.

Saratoga Mom's fixation on Hunt Valley is simply ludicrous and not based on any current traffic patterns or reality.

Not really, it's straight down the parkway and then left on whatever that road is in front of the mall. Those houses used to go to Lewis (lee)

That can be a 25 to 30 minute drive during traffic times, past the metro, the mixing bowl and the mall.

It can take 15 minute just to go from the mall through that major mixing bowl interchange into the Lewis parking lot.

WSHS is bikeable from the Gambril neighborhoods, or a short 10 minute drive through neighborhood roads.

You live there. And what you say is false. I bet we can pool the Tesla data from drivers in the area and prove it.

Agree. You can say I don't want kids in that neighborhood going to Lewis because of X, Y, or Z is fine....but to hide behind traffic that isn't that bad? I take the Metro to downttown DC everyday and there is never backup near the metro. The traffic to the highway might add an additional 2-4 minutes in the morning only.
On one side of the county you have people trying to use the mixing bowl and a highway as a "natural barrier" (what?! have you even seen our crazy zoning maps?) and on the other side of the county you have people sending their kids on a bus for 30+ minutes to go to Langley. Just say why you really dont want that school.

The mixing bowl argument is an interesting one, because that notion of a natural boundary implies that Crestwood and Lynbrook rightly belong to West Springfield and not Lewis. Take those two feeders away from Lewis and Lewis's rating would take a dramatic bump. So yes, it really boils down to a matter of unwanted elementary schools.

Add Garfield Elementary to that mix. It is, as another poster would claim, "bikeable" to Irving and WSHS.

I mean, it is. But so are all the schools you’re proposing to move out of WS to prop up Lewis.

When some of the Gambrill neighborhoods were moved out of Lewis, it was to fix HVES as a split feeder. Fixing split feeders was a stated goal of this whole boundary exercise right now, and you want to create another split feeder that was fixed ~20 years ago for what reason? It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Pretty sure it wasn't to fix the split feeder back then. It was to avoid South County. And who said anything about creating a split feeder. You could literally shift the kids south of the parkway to Saratoga. That would allow more room at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Nobody was trying to “avoid South County,” it was a brand new school at the time that draws (still does) from some nice areas. It just immediately opened at capacity and couldn’t accept any more students than what it had to get from Hayfield. The Gambrill neighborhoods that go to HV are quite a bit closer to HV than they are to Saratoga. Many of them are quite a bit closer to Newington Forest and South County than they are to either school actually.

They did want to avoid South County and it being a secondary school.