Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Travis wants to be the next The Rock after football; no way he dumps her in a manner that will incur the wrath of the swifties.

Has he actually said this? That will never happen.

He says he wants to be "as famous as The Rock" and hired agents to make that happen before he got involved with TS. Just a coincidence, surely...

That's probably why they got involved. Have your agent call my agent. They are like an old fashioned hollywood "couple" that the studios put together for PR. They have ZERO chemistry. On the other hand, Taylor Swift sure does a lot of hugging and jumping up a down with her "best friend" while watching her "boyfriend" play football. They are beards.

This is crazy. In what way would this benefit TS? If she was gay, she’d be openly gay. Why do you over analyze people like this and not take them at face value?

Well her target audience is teen girls and there is no more homophobic crowd than teens. Do you think all those girls would be worshiping an open lesbian the way they do TS? Doubtful.

You clearly don’t have a teenager. It is pretty cool to be bi these days.

If that were true wouldn't there be someone filling that niche? It's cool for a fringe group, but not mainstream.

Billie Eilish, Miley Cyrus, Halsey, Janelle Monae…

And look at all the opening acts for Taylor’s tour that are openly LGBTQ: Phoebe Bridgers, Girl in Red, MUNA. The teens are 100% ok with worshiping openly bi artists.

So a lot of her opening acts are gay. I say again, hmmm....

I don’t think it’s any indication of her sexual preferences, but it’s a pretty smart business move considering the demographics of her fan base.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

You mean the parasocial relationships?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

That's why I have a hard time liking her. On one hand the easter eggs are cute for her fans but it's created an unhealthy parasocial relationship between her and her fans. It's not entirely her fault but egging it is.

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I posted multiple times on this thread that I think she's gay. I don't care either way -- I just think she is. But I'm going to stop posting because she can live her life however she wants to and deserves her privacy. Not that DCUM means anything. Still, she is a wild success and I admire her for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

You mean the parasocial relationships?

Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.

In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.

I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.

Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

You mean the parasocial relationships?

Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.

In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.

I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.

Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.

What the A F did I just read?? Taylor Swift is now going to be responsible for an entire generation of young women having poor relationships and she's similar to Trump? Are you drunk?

[Anonymous]

If she is gay, she could do a lot better than this ugly dummy as a sperm donor. Tell Harry Styles to name his price!

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Anonymous wrote:If she is gay, she could do a lot better than this ugly dummy as a sperm donor. Tell Harry Styles to name his price!

Harry Styles would never willingly tie himself to her like that. But I agree there is definitely better sperm to be bad.

[Anonymous]

She strikes me as asexual, not gay.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people still think it's a "PR relationship." They spent Christmas, New Year's and the week in between together - her whole family even went to Kansas City for Christmas. His whole family would have to be in on it, including his parents, brother, SIL and kids. Brittany and Pat Mahomes would have to be in on it, as Taylor spends her free time with them sometimes.

Taylor has gone to almost all of his games - all for PR??? She's worth a billion dollars, was Time Person of the Year, is up for 3 million Grammys - what more "PR" does she need? And why would she have wasted the last 6 months in a fake relationship with Travis when she could have used her time off really having fun?

Please be smarter people. I'm embarrassed for you.

This! Whether they are serious or having a fun fling, it's a relationship.

She's a billionaire who does not need to be spending her vacation in KC. She doesn't need to hang on Brittany Mahomes to get attention.

A friendship is also a relationship. She could absolutely enjoy spending time with him and not be romantically interested authentically. Like people get married and raise kids together know they are gay. What’s going to a few football games.

Also there has never been any explanation of the pictures of her making out with Karlie Kloss. She might not be in a fake relationship but very well could be bisexual.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

You mean the parasocial relationships?

Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.

In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.

I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.

Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.

What the A F did I just read?? Taylor Swift is now going to be responsible for an entire generation of young women having poor relationships and she's similar to Trump? Are you drunk?

I actually like TS for the most part, but I definitely can see Trump parallels. She is a larger than life figure that vulnerable people worship. In Trump's case, it's uneducated people. In Taylor's, it's young women and girls.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people still think it's a "PR relationship." They spent Christmas, New Year's and the week in between together - her whole family even went to Kansas City for Christmas. His whole family would have to be in on it, including his parents, brother, SIL and kids. Brittany and Pat Mahomes would have to be in on it, as Taylor spends her free time with them sometimes.

Taylor has gone to almost all of his games - all for PR??? She's worth a billion dollars, was Time Person of the Year, is up for 3 million Grammys - what more "PR" does she need? And why would she have wasted the last 6 months in a fake relationship with Travis when she could have used her time off really having fun?

Please be smarter people. I'm embarrassed for you.

+1 All of this. I really can’t believe people still say this.

+2 They could be married with several children and these shrills would still be harping on about it being for PR. And the gaylors will never stop their absurd and frankly offensive speculation about her sexuality either.

They are both at an age where if they are going to get married and have kids, this is it. Madonna had her first child at 38. Gwen Stefani was 37. Taylor is right in window for having a baby. Why not pick hot jock for daddy?

Because she doesn’t want to be paying all the bills and fearing for her life when he’s having CTE freak outs in five years.

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I like Travis alright - seems like a nice guy - but I doubt this is the breeding stock she has in mind for her future kids (if she even wants them).

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?

People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!

She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:

When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.

How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.

You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.

It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.

Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.

But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.

There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.

I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.

I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.

This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.

I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”

It’s been waiting for you.

This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.

+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.

You mean the parasocial relationships?

Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.

In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.

I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.

Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.

I wouldn't put it this harshly, but yes, this is what bothers me too. The way she interacts with and cultivates fans has a cultish approach to it.

I also think she has a persecution complex -- the way she talks about the Kanye incident, about moving to London and feeling like her life was in tatters. The quote from her liner notes up above, in which she conflates the tabloid media's speculation about her private life (something that was inevitable because of the high profile of the men she was linked with early in her career) with some kind of massive media conspiracy to destroy her. I get feeling bothered by it, making other choices. But she talks about it like it was a plot to harm her. No. It's tabloids doing what tabloids do. It happens to very famous people. Women absolutely get it worse. All women, not just Taylor. She also made it much worse because of her public behavior and her choice to use these very public relationships with other very famous men as fodder for her music.

Altogether it is Trumplike. I think her politics are obviously better than Trump's and she's she's not trying to become a dictator so I don't lose sleep over it. But I can't get on the "Taylor is a goddess" train. Some of her music is quite good, she works hard and I'm happy to see a woman being so successful. But I do have a daughter and I'm encouraging a much broader lot of music -- I do't want her to become a Swift obsessive and I want her to be able to think critically about any celebrity, not adopt some obsessive loyalty that only gets more intense over time. That's not healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Travis wants to be the next The Rock after football; no way he dumps her in a manner that will incur the wrath of the swifties.

Has he actually said this? That will never happen.

He says he wants to be "as famous as The Rock" and hired agents to make that happen before he got involved with TS. Just a coincidence, surely...

That's probably why they got involved. Have your agent call my agent. They are like an old fashioned hollywood "couple" that the studios put together for PR. They have ZERO chemistry. On the other hand, Taylor Swift sure does a lot of hugging and jumping up an down with her "best friend" while watching her "boyfriend" play football. They are beards.

Are you attempting to say that Taylor Swift is in a gay relationship with Brittany Mahomes? I’ve read a lot of dumb shit in this thread, but that is next level