Anonymous wrote:Travis wants to be the next The Rock after football; no way he dumps her in a manner that will incur the wrath of the swifties.
Has he actually said this? That will never happen.
He says he wants to be "as famous as The Rock" and hired agents to make that happen before he got involved with TS. Just a coincidence, surely...
That's probably why they got involved. Have your agent call my agent. They are like an old fashioned hollywood "couple" that the studios put together for PR. They have ZERO chemistry. On the other hand, Taylor Swift sure does a lot of hugging and jumping up a down with her "best friend" while watching her "boyfriend" play football. They are beards.
This is crazy. In what way would this benefit TS? If she was gay, she’d be openly gay. Why do you over analyze people like this and not take them at face value?
Well her target audience is teen girls and there is no more homophobic crowd than teens. Do you think all those girls would be worshiping an open lesbian the way they do TS? Doubtful.
You clearly don’t have a teenager. It is pretty cool to be bi these days.
If that were true wouldn't there be someone filling that niche? It's cool for a fringe group, but not mainstream.
I find it hard to believe this is a serious question. I’m not trying to be mean, but there are so many examples… Miley Cyrus openly talks about how she is a pansexual and has dated women, Billie Eilish talked about her fluid sexuality, Renee Rap is huge right now, and she is bisexual and recently she called herself a lesbian. Selena Gomez’s character in only murders in the building began dating a woman last season.
There are tons of examples…..millennials and gen Z do not care.
Parents who are TS fans aren’t spending thousands to take their daughters to see a pansexual role model. The kids may not care, but the kids are not spending the money. Taylor’s Dad understands this as does Taylor. Whatever her orientation may be, it is not financially advantageous to cut off the legions of moms who see Taylor as a sexual role model for their daughter’s. (Meaning she only publicly discloses sexual experiences in a committed heterosexual relationship.) Just as a good girl should!
You are delusional if you don’t think identifying as LGBTQ sells. And how do you explain all the gay opening acts Taylor has had. What you’re saying just doesn’t really add up. You’re trying to make something black-and-white which just isn’t.
Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?
People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!
She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:
When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.
How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.
You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.
It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.
Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.
But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.
There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.
I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.
I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.
This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.
I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”
It’s been waiting for you.
This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.
+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.
You mean the parasocial relationships?
Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.
In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.
I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.
Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.
What the A F did I just read?? Taylor Swift is now going to be responsible for an entire generation of young women having poor relationships and she's similar to Trump? Are you drunk?
I actually like TS for the most part, but I definitely can see Trump parallels. She is a larger than life figure that vulnerable people worship. In Trump's case, it's uneducated people. In Taylor's, it's young women and girls.
But young women and girls have gone crazy over celebs for generations. This is nothing new. Most people can handle this within the context of their lives, but there are a few with other issues who become stalkers or become obsessed or make important life decisions based on intangible things in their mind. That’s always been the case to blame Taylor on that doesn’t make sense.
Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?
People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!
She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:
When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.
How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.
You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.
It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.
Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.
But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.
There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.
I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.
I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.
This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.
I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”
It’s been waiting for you.
This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.
+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.
You mean the parasocial relationships?
Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.
In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.
I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.
Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.
What the A F did I just read?? Taylor Swift is now going to be responsible for an entire generation of young women having poor relationships and she's similar to Trump? Are you drunk?
I actually like TS for the most part, but I definitely can see Trump parallels. She is a larger than life figure that vulnerable people worship. In Trump's case, it's uneducated people. In Taylor's, it's young women and girls.
But young women and girls have gone crazy over celebs for generations. This is nothing new. Most people can handle this within the context of their lives, but there are a few with other issues who become stalkers or become obsessed or make important life decisions based on intangible things in their mind. That’s always been the case to blame Taylor on that doesn’t make sense.
This thread is like some community college remedial high school English lit class where a bunch of delinquents grasp at straws to explain something in new BS ways that make zero sense, but they can’t stop harping on their shallow, unsupported theory.
Anonymous wrote:Serious question: where are people getting that she’s gay or bi? Is it just that she appears to have zero chemistry with any of the famous guys she’s dated, or what?
People have speculated and she’s never denied it. But why would she? Her actions—dating men exclusively—prove she’s straight. Denying gay rumors in an interview implies there is something wrong with being gay and she needs to correct the record. That’s why she says nothing!
She has denied it - both in her behavior (dating only men) and in the 1989TV liner notes:
When I was 24 I sat in a backstage dressing room in London, buzzing with anticipation. My backup singers and bandmates gathered around me in a scattered circle. Scissors emerged and I watched in the mirror as my locks of long curly hair fell in piles on the floor. There I was in my plaid button down shirt, grinning sheepishly as my tour mates and friends cheered on my haircut. This simple thing that everyone does. But I had a secret. For me, it was more than a change of hairstyle. When I was 24, I decided to completely reinvent myself.
How does a person reinvent herself, you ask? In any way I could think of. Musically, geographically, aesthetically, behaviorally, motivationally ... and I did so joyfully. The curiosity I had felt the first murmurs of while making “Red” had amplified into a pulsing heartbeat of restlessness in my ears. The risks I took when I toyed with pop sounds and sensibilities on “Red”? I wanted to push it further. The sense of freedom I felt when traveling to big bustling cities? I wanted to live in one. The voices that had begun to shame me in new ways for dating like a normal young woman? I wanted to silence them.
You see — in the years preceding this, I had become the target of slut shaming — the intensity and relentlessness of which would be criticized and called out if it happened today. The jokes about my amount of boyfriends. The trivialization of my songwriting as if it were a predatory act of a boy crazy psychopath. The media co-signing of this narrative. I had to make it stop because it was starting to really hurt.
It became clear to me that for me there was no such thing as casual dating, or even having a male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping with him. And so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting or anything that could be weaponized against me by a culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian Era.
Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this if I simply changed my behavior. I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.
But none of that mattered then because I had a plan and I had a demeanor as trusting as a basket of golden retriever puppies. I had the keys to my own apartment in New York and I had new melodies bursting from my imagination. I had Max Martin and Shellback who were happy to help me explore this new sonic landscape I was enamored with. I had a new friend named Jack Antonoff who had made some cool tracks in his apartment. I had the idea that the album would be called "1989," and we would reference big 80's synths and write sky high choruses. I had sublime, inexplicable faith and I ran right toward it. In high heels and a crop top.
There was so much that I didn’t know then, and looking back I see what a good thing that was. This time of my life was marked by right kind of naïveté, a hunger for adventure, and a sense of freedom I hadn’t tasted before. It turns out that the cocktail of naïveté, hunger for adventure and freedom can lead to some nasty hangovers, metaphorically speaking. Of course everyone had something to say. But they always will. I learned lessons, paid prices, and tried to ... don’t say it ... don’t say it ... I’m sorry, I have to say it ... shake it off.
I’ll always be so incredibly grateful for how you loved and embraced this album. You, who followed my zig zag creative choices and cheered on my risks and experiments. You, who heard the wink and humor in “Blank Space” and maybe even empathized with the pain behind the satire. You, who saw the seeds of allyship and advocating for equality in “Welcome to New York.” You, who knew that maybe a girl who surrounds herself with female friends in adulthood is making up for a lack of them in childhood (not starting a tyrannical hot girl cult). You, who saw that I reinvent myself for a million reasons, and that one of them is to try my very best to entertain you. You, who have had the grace to allow me the freedom to change.
I was born in 1989, reinvented for the first time in 2014, and a part of me was reclaimed in 2023 with the re-release of this album I love so dearly. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the magic you would sprinkle on my life for so long.
This moment is a reflection of the woods we’ve wandered through and all this love between us still glowing in the darkest dark.
I present to you, with gratitude and wild wonder, my version of “1989.”
It’s been waiting for you.
This is PR crap, reading like it's a private letter to that one special person. "It's been waiting for you." She is using the neediness of teen girls and making stalkers out of her fans. Shameless PR. Shameless.
+1 gives me the creeps. She is grooming them, but doing it to make money rather than more nefarious purposes, so the behavior goes unnoticed to many. It is the same creep tactics though.
You mean the parasocial relationships?
Call it parasocial relationship, call it manipulation, but the idea that she, Taylor Swift an entertainer, is talking just to you (someone she doesn’t know, but may “pick up as a buddy” from her dedicated fans) makes me cringe and is a huge red flag. I was raised by a manipulative narcissist and my first relationship was with another one. I know this behavior, it is meant to manipulate the target into caring on a deep level for someone who doesn’t give a crap about you. And believe that the speaker gives a crap about you when really, they don’t know you or want to know you. They are using you for something.
In Taylor’s case, she is using her fans for money and power. Clearly enough women have never experienced this to know the signs, and good for them as a parasocial relationship with TS isn’t really going to hurt anything more than their spending money. BUT, it does worry me because TS is normalizing crappy tactics that can result in horrible relationship dynamics for a generation of young women with the way she grooms her fans.
I see major parallels with the way she runs her platform and the way Trump engages with his fans. They are on different sides of the political spectrum, but the tactics are the same.
Glad I have boys, so I don’t really have a vested interest in TS other than being an old Cassandra.
I thought I was the only one who saw this! They both scanned the room, found out what the audience wanted and gave it to them. I think it's probably how teen idols (and other "actors") have been becoming successes for forever, and also why Trump was familiar with that tecnhique, since he operated in that world.
I can’t even believe people like you exist but here you are.
It’s utterly mind boggling. Someone who only dates men is secretly gay and in a relationship with someone who is happily married to a man but she must be gay because a lot of her opening acts are gay and she hugs her friends, and she’s Trump like in her platform because …. Hell if I know I can’t even follow that crap.
I can’t even believe people like you exist but here you are.
It’s utterly mind boggling. Someone who only dates men is secretly gay and in a relationship with someone who is happily married to a man but she must be gay because a lot of her opening acts are gay and she hugs her friends, and she’s Trump like in her platform because …. Hell if I know I can’t even follow that crap.
You all are nuts.
These are celebrities, not "someone." If you don't think celebrities manipulate every aspect of their lives for the public, then you are terribly naive. Like any other teenage TS fan.
I can’t even believe people like you exist but here you are.
It’s utterly mind boggling. Someone who only dates men is secretly gay and in a relationship with someone who is happily married to a man but she must be gay because a lot of her opening acts are gay and she hugs her friends, and she’s Trump like in her platform because …. Hell if I know I can’t even follow that crap.
You all are nuts.
These are celebrities, not "someone." If you don't think celebrities manipulate every aspect of their lives for the public, then you are terribly naive. Like any other teenage TS fan.
NP. Are you the person who posted the comment implying Brittany Mahomes is also gay
Anonymous wrote:This thread is like some community college remedial high school English lit class where a bunch of delinquents grasp at straws to explain something in new BS ways that make zero sense, but they can’t stop harping on their shallow, unsupported theory.
Tell me you see the irony of your post denigrating others for trying to make a point in BS ways.
I can’t even believe people like you exist but here you are.
It’s utterly mind boggling. Someone who only dates men is secretly gay and in a relationship with someone who is happily married to a man but she must be gay because a lot of her opening acts are gay and she hugs her friends, and she’s Trump like in her platform because …. Hell if I know I can’t even follow that crap.
You all are nuts.
These are celebrities, not "someone." If you don't think celebrities manipulate every aspect of their lives for the public, then you are terribly naive. Like any other teenage TS fan.
Of course I get that. But there is zero evidence here, leaving people like you trying to pound a very square peg into a very round hole. For what exactly? She addressed it in the way she does, in those liner notes, but I don’t think she’d ever go further because like another PP said, to deny it further suggests there is something wrong with it and she’s a fierce advocate.
I can’t even believe people like you exist but here you are.
It’s utterly mind boggling. Someone who only dates men is secretly gay and in a relationship with someone who is happily married to a man but she must be gay because a lot of her opening acts are gay and she hugs her friends, and she’s Trump like in her platform because …. Hell if I know I can’t even follow that crap.
You all are nuts.
These are celebrities, not "someone." If you don't think celebrities manipulate every aspect of their lives for the public, then you are terribly naive. Like any other teenage TS fan.
NP. Are you the person who posted the comment implying Brittany Mahomes is also gay
Anonymous wrote:This thread is like some community college remedial high school English lit class where a bunch of delinquents grasp at straws to explain something in new BS ways that make zero sense, but they can’t stop harping on their shallow, unsupported theory.
Tell me you see the irony of your post denigrating others for trying to make a point in BS ways.
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