Someone has started sleeping on the sidewalk next to our house

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

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Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

You think you're so clever, but stop parsing the words. Homelessness, in and of itself, is not a crime. It is not against the law to be without a home. It IS - or should be - against the law to park yourself overnight in a public space. That is the difference, and you know it.

And if people can't figure out a way to house themselves, then yes, it is society/ the government's role to force them into housing.

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So your position is that people too poor to afford housing should be involuntarily committed?

No, but camping in public space not designated as such (let alone defecating, littering, etc) should not be permitted.
Depending on the circumstances, people should be offered options. But many [NOT ALL] homeless are unable to care for themselves due to some combination of addiction, mental illness, and other difficulties. And yes, these people should be involuntarily committed. The "freedom" of living on the streets is not a humane solution.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

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Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

black?

Its DC so yes. Black perp/Black Cop/Black jailers.

When Mayor Barry was arrested, he was all three in one - plus inmate.

[Anonymous]

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So your position is that people too poor to afford housing should be involuntarily committed?

No, but camping in public space not designated as such (let alone defecating, littering, etc) should not be permitted.
Depending on the circumstances, people should be offered options. But many [NOT ALL] homeless are unable to care for themselves due to some combination of addiction, mental illness, and other difficulties. And yes, these people should be involuntarily committed. The "freedom" of living on the streets is not a humane solution.

I believe their bodies stop regulating heat in the same way, when they are wrapped in so many layers of clothes lying on the sidewalk in 100 degree weather. And people think it's humane to 'step over'? yikes.

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So your position is that people too poor to afford housing should be involuntarily committed?

No, but camping in public space not designated as such (let alone defecating, littering, etc) should not be permitted.
Depending on the circumstances, people should be offered options. But many [NOT ALL] homeless are unable to care for themselves due to some combination of addiction, mental illness, and other difficulties. And yes, these people should be involuntarily committed. The "freedom" of living on the streets is not a humane solution.

I believe their bodies stop regulating heat in the same way, when they are wrapped in so many layers of clothes lying on the sidewalk in 100 degree weather. And people think it's humane to 'step over'? yikes.

My point exactly--it's not "humane" or "freeing" to allow people to live on the street. At the same time, I (and most others) are not equipped to safely help and direct a potentially addicted/mentally ill person.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

and I'm Jeff Bezos. Good one.

I am sure the PP is not lying, they are also not telling the whole truth either. I am sure they were arrested doing those things, but what the PP does not mention is what else they were also doing at the time.

I’m the PP. they were also being black. That’s it. Both men were not breaking any laws at the time, but were perceived as being in some place they should not have been although it was a public place. Both arrest happened late at night and in the case of my friend waiting for a ride, he could not “move along” because his phone died and he did not have a way to tell his brother a new place to find him.

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Anonymous wrote:It's illegal. Call the cops.

Section 22-1307 of the DC Code is the District’s Blocking Passage statute. This law gives MPD officers the authority to prevent crowding, obstructing, or incommoding of public spaces. According to this statute, which was effective June 11, 2013, it is unlawful for one or more persons to crowd, obstruct, or incommode “(A) the use of any street, avenue, alley, road, highway, or sidewalk; (B) the entrance of any public or private building or enclosure; (C) the use of or passage through any public building or public conveyance; or (D) the passage through or within any park or reservation.” MPD officers are required to issue a move along order instructing any person who violates the above statute to cease doing so prior to issuing a citation. The law does not require proof that the person engaging in the activity actually “breached the peace.” Duffee v. D.C., 93 A.3d 1273, 1275 (D.C. 2014)

Those laws are likely unconstitutional https://www.npr.org/2019/12/16/788435163/supreme-court-wont-hear-case-to-ticket-homeless-for-sleeping-in-public-spaces and probably won’t be enforced

The 9th Circuit has no jurisdiction over DC and MPD already has a policy framework in place for enforcement. So everything you've posted is irrelevant.
https://policecomplaints.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/office%20of%20police%20complaints/publication/attachments/Blocking%20Passage%20Report.FINAL_.pdf

It’s even more ridiculous. The DC Circuit has already recent heard a case on the constitutionality of this statute and affirmed the District court’s dismissal.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/FDED4FFEF75B2717852583D3004DF7CC/$file/17-7114-1781225.pdf

Too many internet lawyers.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

and I'm Jeff Bezos. Good one.

I am sure the PP is not lying, they are also not telling the whole truth either. I am sure they were arrested doing those things, but what the PP does not mention is what else they were also doing at the time.

I’m the PP. they were also being black. That’s it. Both men were not breaking any laws at the time, but were perceived as being in some place they should not have been although it was a public place. Both arrest happened late at night and in the case of my friend waiting for a ride, he could not “move along” because his phone died and he did not have a way to tell his brother a new place to find him.

What was the specific charge? They were probably arrested for “failure to obey” and it sounds like they did just that. They failed to obey a lawful order and got arrested.

[Anonymous]

It’s funny how so many people are ok with homeless people, until they show up on their sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

and I'm Jeff Bezos. Good one.

I am sure the PP is not lying, they are also not telling the whole truth either. I am sure they were arrested doing those things, but what the PP does not mention is what else they were also doing at the time.

I’m the PP. they were also being black. That’s it. Both men were not breaking any laws at the time, but were perceived as being in some place they should not have been although it was a public place. Both arrest happened late at night and in the case of my friend waiting for a ride, he could not “move along” because his phone died and he did not have a way to tell his brother a new place to find him.

What was the specific charge? They were probably arrested for “failure to obey” and it sounds like they did just that. They failed to obey a lawful order and got arrested.

Failure to obey is a bullish!t charge primarily used to tell POC to do whatever you want them to. Why not ask a person why they can’t reasonably comply? I feel certain that a cop would take the time to listen to a loitering White woman and probably even let her charge her phone so she could let her ride know where she was going.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

and I'm Jeff Bezos. Good one.

I am sure the PP is not lying, they are also not telling the whole truth either. I am sure they were arrested doing those things, but what the PP does not mention is what else they were also doing at the time.

I’m the PP. they were also being black. That’s it. Both men were not breaking any laws at the time, but were perceived as being in some place they should not have been although it was a public place. Both arrest happened late at night and in the case of my friend waiting for a ride, he could not “move along” because his phone died and he did not have a way to tell his brother a new place to find him.

What was the specific charge? They were probably arrested for “failure to obey” and it sounds like they did just that. They failed to obey a lawful order and got arrested.

There's a word for making assumptions like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

black?

Its DC so yes. Black perp/Black Cop/Black jailers.

plenty of white cops in dc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how so many people are ok with homeless people, until they show up on their sidewalk.

It's funny how allowing people to set up a tent, deal and use hard drugs, and defecate in the streets half a block from an elementary school is totally fine with you as long as it's not in front of your home. I'm sure you would be capable of nursing these people back into good health and get them on their feet again if it were you.

Pretending that this is okay doesn't make you "not okay" with the unhoused because it objectively is not okay. Not for the unhoused people and not for the community at large. I'm sure we would all prefer these people got into treatment, got healthy, and got housed. Letting them live on the streets is not a path to that.

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Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You are not a good person.

+100

Homelessness is not a crime.

Plus, it is an example of the vibrancy of city living.

In and of itself, no. But camping, loitering, trespassing etc on public property is a crime, and should be enforced as such.

Loitering is not a crime in DC, and how can you trespass on public property?? But people who want to sweep away the homeless DO create laws like that to justify jailing or pushing them around. That's what we mean by "criminalizing homelessness".

There’s nothing wrong with a loitering law. It’s am important tool for maintaining public order,

It's an important tool for cracking down on undesirables. Great way for police get Black people behind bars too. Just history, right?

+100

Sadly, the DC Jail is filled with men arrested for loitering

+1 mil A friend was arrested for loitering while working on his portfolio for a photography class. Another was arrested while waiting for a ride.

black?

Its DC so yes. Black perp/Black Cop/Black jailers.

plenty of white cops in dc

NP. Sure, but 40% of cops in DC are white so not the most likely scenario. Dc doesn't have "no loitering" laws, but it does have no encampment laws. Anyway, stay on topic, fools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would watch and move their things when they are gone. And call the police/behavior health/shelter emergency line constantly. I’m all for supporting people but not allowing a homeless encampment to be established by my fence. Because it will never go away. They can camp beneath an underpass or on a median - not on a residential corner.

You'd steal from someone that vulnerable?