Equity in vaccine distribution

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like whatever method they are using for equity is not working, at least in Ward 4. When I went to get my vaccine there was a long line of people. Very few were POC. In fact the majority of POC who were there were the security guards. And this is at a community center on Kennedy St. My guess is white people in the prioritized zip codes are still signing up for the vaccine slots first. Anecdotal evidence, but I suspect it is happening in other areas as well.

How recently was this? The first senior vaccines were given four weeks ago so seniors getting vaccines this week might be getting their second doses (as they got their first before the equity measures were put into affect)

You should care more about the age of the folks in line. Not the color of their skin.

Considering that black and brown people are dying from COVID at a significantly higher rate, then you should take the color of one's skin into consideration.

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Black and brown people are not dying because of the color of their skin. They are dying because of health conditions - obesity, pulmonary disease, diabetes.
The DMV attributes these conditions to skin color. They are not.
Take a long hard look in this country - these conditions exist for all walks of people and in greater numbers.

So, no - 65 and up was the marker - not 65 and Black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like whatever method they are using for equity is not working, at least in Ward 4. When I went to get my vaccine there was a long line of people. Very few were POC. In fact the majority of POC who were there were the security guards. And this is at a community center on Kennedy St. My guess is white people in the prioritized zip codes are still signing up for the vaccine slots first. Anecdotal evidence, but I suspect it is happening in other areas as well.

How recently was this? The first senior vaccines were given four weeks ago so seniors getting vaccines this week might be getting their second doses (as they got their first before the equity measures were put into affect)

You should care more about the age of the folks in line. Not the color of their skin.

Considering that black and brown people are dying from COVID at a significantly higher rate, then you should take the color of one's skin into consideration.

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Black and brown people are not dying because of the color of their skin. They are dying because of health conditions - obesity, pulmonary disease, diabetes.
The DMV attributes these conditions to skin color. They are not.
Take a long hard look in this country - these conditions exist for all walks of people and in greater numbers.

So, no - 65 and up was the marker - not 65 and Black.

Whelp, the two highly contagious variants are here and DC's Plan is to vaccinate 70% of 65+ by the end of February. 2 1/2 months to get to 70% of this group. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like whatever method they are using for equity is not working, at least in Ward 4. When I went to get my vaccine there was a long line of people. Very few were POC. In fact the majority of POC who were there were the security guards. And this is at a community center on Kennedy St. My guess is white people in the prioritized zip codes are still signing up for the vaccine slots first. Anecdotal evidence, but I suspect it is happening in other areas as well.

How recently was this? The first senior vaccines were given four weeks ago so seniors getting vaccines this week might be getting their second doses (as they got their first before the equity measures were put into affect)

You should care more about the age of the folks in line. Not the color of their skin.

Considering that black and brown people are dying from COVID at a significantly higher rate, then you should take the color of one's skin into consideration.

Black and brown people are not dying because of the color of their skin. They are dying because of health conditions - obesity, pulmonary disease, diabetes.
The DMV attributes these conditions to skin color. They are not.
Take a long hard look in this country - these conditions exist for all walks of people and in greater numbers.

So, no - 65 and up was the marker - not 65 and Black.

[b]Whelp, the two highly contagious variants are here and DC's Plan is to vaccinate 70% of 65+ by the end of February. 2 1/2 months to get to 70% of this group. Ugh.

Is this really that surprising? Most states are not faring any better with this group. The initial push to vaccinate is the slowest, as capacity is building (distribution infrastructure, manpower, actual medication, etc)

This is further hampered by the fact that much of the 65+ population is not computer literate and are having difficulty getting appointments, may not have access to reliable transportation, live alone, etc. It's hard to get the vaccines to elderly who do not live in a group setting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like whatever method they are using for equity is not working, at least in Ward 4. When I went to get my vaccine there was a long line of people. Very few were POC. In fact the majority of POC who were there were the security guards. And this is at a community center on Kennedy St. My guess is white people in the prioritized zip codes are still signing up for the vaccine slots first. Anecdotal evidence, but I suspect it is happening in other areas as well.

How recently was this? The first senior vaccines were given four weeks ago so seniors getting vaccines this week might be getting their second doses (as they got their first before the equity measures were put into affect)

You should care more about the age of the folks in line. Not the color of their skin.

Considering that black and brown people are dying from COVID at a significantly higher rate, then you should take the color of one's skin into consideration.

Black and brown people are not dying because of the color of their skin. They are dying because of health conditions - obesity, pulmonary disease, diabetes.
The DMV attributes these conditions to skin color. They are not.
Take a long hard look in this country - these conditions exist for all walks of people and in greater numbers.

So, no - 65 and up was the marker - not 65 and Black.

[b]Whelp, the two highly contagious variants are here and DC's Plan is to vaccinate 70% of 65+ by the end of February. 2 1/2 months to get to 70% of this group. Ugh.

Is this really that surprising? Most states are not faring any better with this group. The initial push to vaccinate is the slowest, as capacity is building (distribution infrastructure, manpower, actual medication, etc)

This is further hampered by the fact that much of the 65+ population is not computer literate and are having difficulty getting appointments, may not have access to reliable transportation, live alone, etc. It's hard to get the vaccines to elderly who do not live in a group setting.

Every time they release shots to this group there is more demand than supply, so..... that isn't the issue. They need to look at how they are delivering it (MD has a ton of mass vax sites in the works; does DC have even one? RFK stadium? The mall?) and they need to look at the giveaway of 1/2 the supply to out of staters. With the vaccine they have already been allotted a 1/6 of city residents could be done by now.

[Anonymous]

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No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up

Don't you see that a randomized sign up via computer benefits people who can do their jobs from home, people with computers/computer savvy, reliable internet connections, and native english speakers?

That's why you can't just say randomized = equitable. You have to do more for people who don't have all the advantages at their fingertips in order to make it equiable.

There was a PHONE LINE.

Can you not extrapolate to understand that many of the same problems will persist with a phone line? You seriously can't make the connection without me telling you that some jobs allow you to stay on the phone as long as necessary and dial back as much as necessary because you can do your job from home or are wealthy enough to stay home while your spouse works, but other jobs, such as city bus driver, will not afford that luxury? You seriously need me to explicitly say this to you?

I find your social justice commentary offensive. Do you really think that these.people can't figure out how to get on the list to get a vaccine? Those that struggle the hardest in life are the most resourceful. They don't need to be coddled.

NP- wow PP. You are out of touch and extremely offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:MD, DC, and VA are not doing a good job getting shots in arms. This is what will stop the pandemic; not everything is about "equity". We are supply-constrained. When we are demand-constrained, let's worry about people who don't want the dang shots. Every rule meant to address an inequity or impose "fairness" will slow down vaccination rates and make it more likely that new variants will get a foothold, and we will *all* lose another summer / fall to Covid. West Virginia has the highest vax rate in the contiguous U.S. because they've kept it simple. This has been nothing but a bureaucratic mess since the start in the DMV, and every new special interest group has made it worse. All of these additional "setting aside" and "quotas" will hurt everyone.

Spoken like a true white supremacist. DC and VA are exceeding national vaccination averages. The only thing that's slowing us is the limited number of vaccines available. Targeting high risk populations HELP to end the pandemic, which HELPS ALL OF US. Giving extra doses to wealthy retirees in Ward 3 rather than poor folks in Ward 5 is literally the opposite of good public health policy.

This comment was mean and not necessary. In fact, starting with a statement like that totally discounts everything else that you say.

I don't care if you think it's mean. There are posters here who continue to lie and lie and lie to defend the indefensible.

Calling "white supremacist" on a post that was stating that complications reduce vaccination rates--as was literally reported in the WaPo this morning--indicates that you are not serious, and are only interested in ad hominem attacks. If you use these labels every time you don't agree with someone, you will not be taken seriously.

You have provided no evidence that DC has reduced vaccination rates. In fact, DC is doing well by every vaccine tracker out there, better than nearly every other state. The proportion of vaccines distributed/administered is similar to every other state that is doing well.

So your justifications for doing away with DC's very modest set asides for underserved zip codes is ..... what exactly? Other than you want wealthy wards to get an even more disproportionate amount of vaccine?

No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up and there are plentiful sites in Ward 8. But I agree that Ward 8 ANC and Councilmembers should be manning sign-up kiosks, or just make the vaccine mandatory for Ward 8 and be done.
but no, DCs rate is not great. Among many other ways we are not doing great with vaccinations, we have administered 1/2 of what we have been distributed, despite being advised by Biden/Harris to distribute vaccine as we receive it. This puts us in line with...Florida's Republican Governor DeSantis.

I am fascinated, as you have said this at least twice now. Please explain to the class how you plan to make the vaccine mandatory in the United States of America.

We’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up

Don't you see that a randomized sign up via computer benefits people who can do their jobs from home, people with computers/computer savvy, reliable internet connections, and native english speakers?

That's why you can't just say randomized = equitable. You have to do more for people who don't have all the advantages at their fingertips in order to make it equiable.

There was a PHONE LINE.

Can you not extrapolate to understand that many of the same problems will persist with a phone line? You seriously can't make the connection without me telling you that some jobs allow you to stay on the phone as long as necessary and dial back as much as necessary because you can do your job from home or are wealthy enough to stay home while your spouse works, but other jobs, such as city bus driver, will not afford that luxury? You seriously need me to explicitly say this to you?

Are you for real? You think there is a cell phone shortage in Ward 8??

65 year olds in War 8 do not have time to dial??

You think low income people retire at 65? LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
No one was underserved because it was a randomized sign up

Don't you see that a randomized sign up via computer benefits people who can do their jobs from home, people with computers/computer savvy, reliable internet connections, and native english speakers?

That's why you can't just say randomized = equitable. You have to do more for people who don't have all the advantages at their fingertips in order to make it equiable.

There was a PHONE LINE.

Can you not extrapolate to understand that many of the same problems will persist with a phone line? You seriously can't make the connection without me telling you that some jobs allow you to stay on the phone as long as necessary and dial back as much as necessary because you can do your job from home or are wealthy enough to stay home while your spouse works, but other jobs, such as city bus driver, will not afford that luxury? You seriously need me to explicitly say this to you?

Are you for real? You think there is a cell phone shortage in Ward 8??

65 year olds in War 8 do not have time to dial??

You think low income people retire at 65? LOL.

Do you have some workforce statistics pertinent to low income 65+ in DC to share? And how would you like folks to sign up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

And, per DC’s email today, if you are a chubby commuter from DC or MD you can get vaccinated in DC this Friday with the same appointment priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

So it’s clear that Ward 3 gets as least as much priority by the DC Gov’t as a no tax paying commuter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

And, per DC’s email today, if you are a chubby commuter from DC or MD you can get vaccinated in DC this Friday with the same appointment priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

So it’s clear that Ward 3 gets as least as much priority by the DC Gov’t as a no tax paying commuter.

You dont have to be a chubby commuter. A non chubby commuter gets as much priority as a chubby ward 3 resident. Isnt the dirty secret that peoole are using work addresses in DC who arent even commuting (ie working from home in MD/VA)? So I guess you dont even have to be a commuter to get as much priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

And, per DC’s email today, if you are a chubby commuter from DC or MD you can get vaccinated in DC this Friday with the same appointment priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

So it’s clear that Ward 3 gets as least as much priority by the DC Gov’t as a no tax paying commuter.

You dont have to be a chubby commuter. A non chubby commuter gets as much priority as a chubby ward 3 resident. Isnt the dirty secret that peoole are using work addresses in DC who arent even commuting (ie working from home in MD/VA)? So I guess you dont even have to be a commuter to get as much priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

I’m not fully understanding this. Are you saying that teleworkers are getting their employer to brand them as “essential” in order for them to get the vaccine in DC? Which employers are doing this? We should start naming names. I know that my federal agency is not doing this- save for the on site security guards, everyone was advised to get their shot when eligible by age. Also from what I’ve heard it’s gotten a lot easier to get the vaccine in MD- I know a number of elderly folks and teachers who got spots at the six flags site. No idea about VA.

I have no problem with actual essential workers who have been working in person in DC, regardless of where they are communizing from, getting the vaccine. Getting them vaccinated helps everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

And, per DC’s email today, if you are a chubby commuter from DC or MD you can get vaccinated in DC this Friday with the same appointment priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

So it’s clear that Ward 3 gets as least as much priority by the DC Gov’t as a no tax paying commuter.

You dont have to be a chubby commuter. A non chubby commuter gets as much priority as a chubby ward 3 resident. Isnt the dirty secret that peoole are using work addresses in DC who arent even commuting (ie working from home in MD/VA)? So I guess you dont even have to be a commuter to get as much priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

I’m not fully understanding this. Are you saying that teleworkers are getting their employer to brand them as “essential” in order for them to get the vaccine in DC? Which employers are doing this? We should start naming names. I know that my federal agency is not doing this- save for the on site security guards, everyone was advised to get their shot when eligible by age. Also from what I’ve heard it’s gotten a lot easier to get the vaccine in MD- I know a number of elderly folks and teachers who got spots at the six flags site. No idea about VA.

I have no problem with actual essential workers who have been working in person in DC, regardless of where they are communizing from, getting the vaccine. Getting them vaccinated helps everyone.

OMG. This is not complicated.

You DO NOT need to be a MD or VA essential worker to get a shot in DC right now. You only need a DC work zip code and you can schedule yourself a shot.

Even if you buy the very tenuous we should inoculate everybody reasoning that the Mayor has adopted, the fact of the matter is that non essential VA and MD workers are getting inoculated in DC using work addresses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity is not a risk factor - it is a life choice - like smoking.

Cancer - risk factor. Autoimmune deficiency - risk factor.

Many cancers have highly increased risk factors based on behavior.

Luckily you have no say in who is prioritized for vaccines whatsoever.

I guess you are obese, right. Well, I believe you can get vaccinated now - so once less thing for you to worry about!

And, per DC’s email today, if you are a chubby commuter from DC or MD you can get vaccinated in DC this Friday with the same appointment priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

So it’s clear that Ward 3 gets as least as much priority by the DC Gov’t as a no tax paying commuter.

You dont have to be a chubby commuter. A non chubby commuter gets as much priority as a chubby ward 3 resident. Isnt the dirty secret that peoole are using work addresses in DC who arent even commuting (ie working from home in MD/VA)? So I guess you dont even have to be a commuter to get as much priority as a chubby Ward 3 resident.

I’m not fully understanding this. Are you saying that teleworkers are getting their employer to brand them as “essential” in order for them to get the vaccine in DC? Which employers are doing this? We should start naming names. I know that my federal agency is not doing this- save for the on site security guards, everyone was advised to get their shot when eligible by age. Also from what I’ve heard it’s gotten a lot easier to get the vaccine in MD- I know a number of elderly folks and teachers who got spots at the six flags site. No idea about VA.

I have no problem with actual essential workers who have been working in person in DC, regardless of where they are communizing from, getting the vaccine. Getting them vaccinated helps everyone.

Healthcare and teachers/childcare workers have been given ample opportunity to be vaccinated in DC, regardless of where they live. IN FACT, DC has used 1/2 of the vaccine supply on out of state workers to date. DCs vaccination rate is 3.1% for residents. By comparison, other states are at 6 or 9 percent. I have no idea who may be gaming the system, though Im sure some are. I do think DCs current policy of offering vaccine to all "essential worker" comers regardless of residency is unsustainable if we also care about vaccinating residents in a timely way. The fact is, out of state workers can be vaccinated in their domiciled state, while DC vaccinates resident essential workers and high risk and 65+ residents. Why is DC not considering, at this point, prioritizing actual residents to catch up with the rest of the nation?