What changes in the TJ admissions procedure do you predict this year ?

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They should select the governors, presidents through lottery. They are spending 1-2 billion in elections. This lottery would be a very fair game. Hope the democrats will propose that in the next session of the congress.

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Anonymous wrote:They should select the governors, presidents through lottery. They are spending 1-2 billion in elections. This lottery would be a very fair game. Hope the democrats will propose that in the next session of the congress.

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Suggestion:

Write your county supervisors. School Board is a lost cause, but the BOS holds the purse strings. Do it now. Budget doesn't come up until Spring, but I'm sure there is communication.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

Who says they have to maintain that minimum GPA policy in perpetuity?

So many straw-man arguments from the obvious defenders of an indefensible status quo.

SB members keep asking why are black and Hispanic kids not applying? and the Superintendent is implying it's because they are bullied at TJ. Give me a break.

Why would bright/capable black or Hispanic kids apply/attend TJ and study like crazy and get substantially lower gpa than they would have attained at their base schools? Especially if they can just coast by at their base schools and get higher gpas and get to (have a better chance) top schools under affirmative action program. The new system will not increase the applications by black/Hispanic kids significantly. There is no tangible benefit for them to attend TJ and TJ offers only negatives for black/Hispanic kids.

Dr Braband, Mr. Smith and Ms Cohen all said, at various points in the meeting, that they had 3.5+ gpa's in high school, but never would have been interested to go to TJ. Why is it so hard for them to believe that the groups that have historically not applied just aren't interested in applying?

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This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

Who says they have to maintain that minimum GPA policy in perpetuity?

So many straw-man arguments from the obvious defenders of an indefensible status quo.

SB members keep asking why are black and Hispanic kids not applying? and the Superintendent is implying it's because they are bullied at TJ. Give me a break.

Why would bright/capable black or Hispanic kids apply/attend TJ and study like crazy and get substantially lower gpa than they would have attained at their base schools? Especially if they can just coast by at their base schools and get higher gpas and get to (have a better chance) top schools under affirmative action program. The new system will not increase the applications by black/Hispanic kids significantly. There is no tangible benefit for them to attend TJ and TJ offers only negatives for black/Hispanic kids.

Dr Braband, Mr. Smith and Ms Cohen all said, at various points in the meeting, that they had 3.5+ gpa's in high school, but never would have been interested to go to TJ. Why is it so hard for them to believe that the groups that have historically not applied just aren't interested in applying?

So.... if they don’t apply.... then they won’t be in the lottery.... and you have nothing to worry about.....

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Anonymous wrote:This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

Cyber bullying is against law.

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Well, regardless of whether those students apply, the makeup of the student body will be less strong because random chance is selecting the students, not merit. So plenty of people care.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

Cyber bullying is against law.

If you post a whiny Twitter storm for hours on end and make it public to supplement your already whiny opinion piece in the Washington Post it’s fair grounds for critique.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, regardless of whether those students apply, the makeup of the student body will be less strong because random chance is selecting the students, not merit. So plenty of people care.

Yes, i agree. In the proposed system, it is said 54% of the students would be Asians but what would be their quality? if they are not selected by merit but by chance?

Also, all other groups are gaining only Asians are getting penalized. Their Percentage in the student body is reduced by a whopping 20%.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

Cyber bullying is against law.

If you post a whiny Twitter storm for hours on end and make it public to supplement your already whiny opinion piece in the Washington Post it’s fair grounds for critique.

You can critique her opinions and still not be a sadistic cyber bully by disparaging her.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all worth it just to see Asra Nomani having her latest hissy fit.

Cyber bullying is against law.

If you post a whiny Twitter storm for hours on end and make it public to supplement your already whiny opinion piece in the Washington Post it’s fair grounds for critique.

You can critique her opinions and still not be a sadistic cyber bully by disparaging her.

She has devoted countless hours disparaging those with whom she disagrees regarding TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So essentially what people are saying is this: who cares if the incoming crop of kids can't hack the current curriculum. Who needs a challenging curriculum anyway? If you want a super-challenging curriculum, go private.

You don't go private for a challenging curriculum or for STEM. Either you forgot that in the heat of the moment or ... your kids are 5 and under.

Yes, agreed. You won't get challenging STEM in the top area privates. I have a kid at one. They are light years behind TJ.

But now with a watered down TJ, private schools may step up and offer challenging courses for the strong STEM kids that would have gotten into TJ under the current system. Who knows, neighborhood schools, such as Langley may start offering challenging courses too if it is not blocked by One FairFax.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So essentially what people are saying is this: who cares if the incoming crop of kids can't hack the current curriculum. Who needs a challenging curriculum anyway? If you want a super-challenging curriculum, go private.

You don't go private for a challenging curriculum or for STEM. Either you forgot that in the heat of the moment or ... your kids are 5 and under.

Yes, agreed. You won't get challenging STEM in the top area privates. I have a kid at one. They are light years behind TJ.

But now with a watered down TJ, private schools may step up and offer challenging courses for the strong STEM kids that would have gotten into TJ under the current system. Who knows, neighborhood schools, such as Langley may start offering challenging courses too if it is not blocked by One FairFax.

Your kids are definitely 5 and under.