What changes in the TJ admissions procedure do you predict this year ?

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTGKX652F413/$file/TJHSST%20Admissions%20Merit%20Lottery%20Proposal.pdf

With lottery system, TJ will just become a glorified charter school and it will no longer be a magnet school. Anyone with 3.5+ GPA with Algebra I in 7th or 8th grade will have an equal chance, which will be a lot. I see that Regions 1 and 2, which usually send majority of the kids to TJ will stand to lose most and Regions 3 and 4 will gain significantly with 70 students cap.

In our case, our base school comes under Franklin (Region 5), where as AAP center is Carson (Region 1). DS started his 7th grade in Carson as he is in AAP. Few of his AAP classmates chose to go to Franklin Level IV for personal reasons - may be it will work out better for them. I am thinking if we should also transfer back to Franklin in 8th grade as application pool will be much larger in Region 1 as compared to Region 5. What do you think?

The lottery is based on where you live, not what school you attend. It doesn't matter if you attend Franklin or Carson; you will be put into the Franklin-based lottery if you live in the Franklin attendance area.

You've got to be shi**ing me! What a dumb idea! Now every parent with a kid at Carson's will rent an apartment in the Franklin attendance area, provide that as their address to FCPS, and take their chances instead of spending money on prep! The gaming of the system will continue.

Why can't FCPS do something real for a change? More education and test prep opportunities for identified URM/low income smart kids maybe?

Most of the kids that don't apply today don't for a reason one of them being that the curriculum is tough. If that doesn't change, then why would they apply? The school will continue to be predominantly Asian anyways (unless they fix it with their "holistic" curation).

Can't believe the idiots we have to suffer..

Beautifully said. The democrats cant think straight. they can think only crooked.

The "tough" curriculum will change too.

This change addresses many issues, directly or indirectly. Nonpartisan people can think about these things instead of just complain.

So tough curriculum will change too? then why do you need TJ? Thank God atleast we have Montgomerry blair in this area.

You're welcome to go there, if you can get in.

This is a positive change for TJ and for the other high schools in Nova. I could elaborate but you don't care about positive change anyway.

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Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

I heard that harvard is also planning lotteries inspired by the success of this new system.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

I heard that harvard is also planning lotteries inspired by the success of this new system.

... NFL and NBA too.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

I heard that harvard is also planning lotteries inspired by the success of this new system.

Harvard already has a merit lottery system. Most selective colleges do.

But you knew that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

I heard that harvard is also planning lotteries inspired by the success of this new system.

Harvard already has a merit lottery system. Most selective colleges do.

But you knew that.

No they sell their seats to highest bidder and people with connections.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, random chance is the best plan for selective institutions.

I heard that harvard is also planning lotteries inspired by the success of this new system.

Harvard already has a merit lottery system. Most selective colleges do.

But you knew that.

Could you point us to this? I googled it and came up with a bunch of articles about how Harvard should admit using a lottery, but no information about the merit lottery.

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Harvard does not use a lottery. No prestigious school foes.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTGKX652F413/$file/TJHSST%20Admissions%20Merit%20Lottery%20Proposal.pdf

With lottery system, TJ will just become a glorified charter school and it will no longer be a magnet school. Anyone with 3.5+ GPA with Algebra I in 7th or 8th grade will have an equal chance, which will be a lot. I see that Regions 1 and 2, which usually send majority of the kids to TJ will stand to lose most and Regions 3 and 4 will gain significantly with 70 students cap.

In our case, our base school comes under Franklin (Region 5), where as AAP center is Carson (Region 1). DS started his 7th grade in Carson as he is in AAP. Few of his AAP classmates chose to go to Franklin Level IV for personal reasons - may be it will work out better for them. I am thinking if we should also transfer back to Franklin in 8th grade as application pool will be much larger in Region 1 as compared to Region 5. What do you think?

Your student should go to the middle school where they will get the best educational experience for 8th grade. Strategizing for TJ is not a good move given the amount of chance in the process.

+1.

What this really does is downgrade TJ as a "destination" school. It becomes a demonstration project that a more diverse group of students can study in a STEM-oriented environment. But admission will be more random, and the school's profile and achievement levels will be lower.

Some have suggested this will make the pyramids with the middle schools that currently send the most kids to TJ less attractive. In fact, it's just as likely to make the pyramids with the strongest neighborhood high schools more attractive. Who is going to game the new system by sending their kid to Whitman if it's a crap shoot and their kid will more likely end up at Mount Vernon. Just go with Irving/West Springfield and be done with it.

Pyramids with the strongest neighborhood high schools are already very attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BTGKX652F413/$file/TJHSST%20Admissions%20Merit%20Lottery%20Proposal.pdf

With lottery system, TJ will just become a glorified charter school and it will no longer be a magnet school. Anyone with 3.5+ GPA with Algebra I in 7th or 8th grade will have an equal chance, which will be a lot. I see that Regions 1 and 2, which usually send majority of the kids to TJ will stand to lose most and Regions 3 and 4 will gain significantly with 70 students cap.

In our case, our base school comes under Franklin (Region 5), where as AAP center is Carson (Region 1). DS started his 7th grade in Carson as he is in AAP. Few of his AAP classmates chose to go to Franklin Level IV for personal reasons - may be it will work out better for them. I am thinking if we should also transfer back to Franklin in 8th grade as application pool will be much larger in Region 1 as compared to Region 5. What do you think?

Your student should go to the middle school where they will get the best educational experience for 8th grade. Strategizing for TJ is not a good move given the amount of chance in the process.

+1.

What this really does is downgrade TJ as a "destination" school. It becomes a demonstration project that a more diverse group of students can study in a STEM-oriented environment. But admission will be more random, and the school's profile and achievement levels will be lower.

Some have suggested this will make the pyramids with the middle schools that currently send the most kids to TJ less attractive. In fact, it's just as likely to make the pyramids with the strongest neighborhood high schools more attractive. Who is going to game the new system by sending their kid to Whitman if it's a crap shoot and their kid will more likely end up at Mount Vernon. Just go with Irving/West Springfield and be done with it.

Pyramids with the strongest neighborhood high schools are already very attractive.

I think this whole farce is setup by real estate agents to boost home prices in Langley and oakton area. We should scrutinize the donation of real estate companies to democrats then some truth might come out.

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Anonymous wrote:If they were serious about eliminating disparities, they would examine the AAP program. Fairfax County has the nation’s 10th largest public school system, with more than 188,000 students. Of those, 25 percent are Hispanic and 10 percent are African-American. But over the last 10 years, blacks and Hispanics have constituted only 12 percent of the students deemed eligible for Level IV, the most advanced academic program. Notably, the data show that when black and Hispanic students do submit intelligence tests, they are just as likely to gain admission as their white and Asian counterparts. When these students are excluded from the AAP program, the probability that they will have completed Algebra 1 by 8th grade is lower, and their ability to succeed at TJ is compromised. Do these politicians have the courage to examine biases in the AAP program?

They did examine the AAP program with several experts who wrote a long report and discussed it at a meeting. I think it was last spring. Wake up.

Goodness, I've been asleep all this time and didn't notice that AAP is now a lottery system. Is it now? Did they make that change - it's been a year, and the same logic applies surely. In fact, at that young age, induction into the AAP by a lottery system would benefit far more students across all demographics and family situations. Did it happen?

Yes, you have been asleep.

Start a new thread and we can bring you up to speed on AAP. Or use the search function.

Oh you poor dear...let me explain this in more detail: The AAP admission system exhibits clear racial bias. If they applied the same logic that they are using for TJ Admissions changes (to make it a lottery), it becomes even more imperative that the AAP system uses a lottery based admission, instead of the CogAd test based admission they are using. The reason it becomes more imperative is because it affects vastly more students, and makes a significant impact at an earlier stage in the students life, therefore the impact upstream is higher. However no action has been taken to make the AAP a lottery based system. Hence, we conclude that this move to switch TJ to a lottery is more about performative virtue signaling than about really making a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:If they were serious about eliminating disparities, they would examine the AAP program. Fairfax County has the nation’s 10th largest public school system, with more than 188,000 students. Of those, 25 percent are Hispanic and 10 percent are African-American. But over the last 10 years, blacks and Hispanics have constituted only 12 percent of the students deemed eligible for Level IV, the most advanced academic program. Notably, the data show that when black and Hispanic students do submit intelligence tests, they are just as likely to gain admission as their white and Asian counterparts. When these students are excluded from the AAP program, the probability that they will have completed Algebra 1 by 8th grade is lower, and their ability to succeed at TJ is compromised. Do these politicians have the courage to examine biases in the AAP program?

They did examine the AAP program with several experts who wrote a long report and discussed it at a meeting. I think it was last spring. Wake up.

Goodness, I've been asleep all this time and didn't notice that AAP is now a lottery system. Is it now? Did they make that change - it's been a year, and the same logic applies surely. In fact, at that young age, induction into the AAP by a lottery system would benefit far more students across all demographics and family situations. Did it happen?

Yes, you have been asleep.

Start a new thread and we can bring you up to speed on AAP. Or use the search function.

Oh you poor dear...let me explain this in more detail: The AAP admission system exhibits clear racial bias. If they applied the same logic that they are using for TJ Admissions changes (to make it a lottery), it becomes even more imperative that the AAP system uses a lottery based admission, instead of the CogAd test based admission they are using. The reason it becomes more imperative is because it affects vastly more students, and makes a significant impact at an earlier stage in the students life, therefore the impact upstream is higher. However no action has been taken to make the AAP a lottery based system. Hence, we conclude that this move to switch TJ to a lottery is more about performative virtue signaling than about really making a difference.

Start a new thread, dear. Or use the search function.

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Right. So essentially what people are saying is this: who cares if the incoming crop of kids can't hack the current curriculum. Who needs a challenging curriculum anyway? If you want a super-challenging curriculum, go private.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So essentially what people are saying is this: who cares if the incoming crop of kids can't hack the current curriculum. Who needs a challenging curriculum anyway? If you want a super-challenging curriculum, go private.

You don't go private for a challenging curriculum or for STEM. Either you forgot that in the heat of the moment or ... your kids are 5 and under.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So essentially what people are saying is this: who cares if the incoming crop of kids can't hack the current curriculum. Who needs a challenging curriculum anyway? If you want a super-challenging curriculum, go private.

You don't go private for a challenging curriculum or for STEM. Either you forgot that in the heat of the moment or ... your kids are 5 and under.

Yes, agreed. You won't get challenging STEM in the top area privates. I have a kid at one. They are light years behind TJ.