DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP

I had a few profs who thought they were God-like. These are typically weak people, double-chin fat slobs most wouldn’t hang with in real life.

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A cop that tickets everyone at 65.1 is not being consistent. S/he’s showing inexperience.

I think cops ticketing everyone at 65.1 is the very definition of consistent. Perhaps English is not your first language?

No cop ever gives out tickets to EVERYONE who sports over 65 mph. Maybe you are not an American to know this. That’s a rookie mistake trying to ticket EVERYONE who goes over 65.

To go back to the example earlier in the thread, the problem with "discretion" is that it can be abused. I don't think everyone who goes 65.1 should be ticketed, but we know from data around traffic stops that Black and brown Americans are exponentially more likely to be pulled over for going 67 in a 65, or for having a tail-light out. These are pretext stops. Then, Black and brown Americans are more likely to have their cars searched after one of those pretext stops, even though whites are more likely to have contraband.

I actually prefer the professor's system with no discretion, since discretion can be and is abused.

Yes - except profs are always making exception. You just don’t see that cuz they are not gonna tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP

Also, maybe this has been said (I didn't read through this entire thread), but does OP really think that "higher ups" can do anything? Did you actually think professors have a boss? We have a department chair and dean that we elect, and there's very little they can do about issues like this. I'd have to go on some kind of insane racist rant in the middle of class or have a complete mental breakdown and fail the entire class for the school to step in and do anything. Professors are, to a large extent, their own bosses.

I know this is true. But, maybe there is an advisor or someone that the student can talk with about this and get some advice. The professors I know are all very understanding about deadline errors and also about the need for extensions in the time of Covid and racial unrest. I also know that they want to be asked ahead of time. But, they don't want to be the cause of additional unnecessary anxiety as their students are trying to adjust to distance learning. This being said, they have talked about other professors who are not so understanding and their concern about the effect on the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

The idiot prof should have set the penalties to start no earlier than 12:00 am. It’s just stupidity or inexperience - or both.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP

I had a few profs who thought they were God-like. These are typically weak people, double-chin fat slobs most wouldn’t hang with in real life.

Was there a point to your reply or did you just want to attack fat people?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

I have two kids in two different colleges. I let them read the OP. Neither one was surprised. They said professors set a time and that is it. One said that 11:59:00 is a common deadline at his school. He’s taking a summer class right now and has an assignment due today. When he came downstairs earlier, I asked him when his assignment was due. He said 11:59:59. He said the whole thing.

My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

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After a lifetime of dealing with screwing up deadlines like this, finally in my 40s I've learned to submit work with ample time to spare. Especially if I submit it electronically. I have a son like me. I've lectured him endlessly to learn from my mistakes, but now think he'll just have to figure this out himself just as OP's son will.

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Everything I have in life I owe to being ten minutes early.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

I have two kids in two different colleges. I let them read the OP. Neither one was surprised. They said professors set a time and that is it. One said that 11:59:00 is a common deadline at his school. He’s taking a summer class right now and has an assignment due today. When he came downstairs earlier, I asked him when his assignment was due. He said 11:59:59. He said the whole thing.

My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

I just asked my college kid. He doesn't know. And luckily, he's never cut it that close.

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My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

I relayed OP's story to my DS (rising sophomore) and his not-so-professional opinion is that the professor is a d*ck.

He got credit for something that was technically late just this week. It was a different situation - the professor changed the deadline the day before it was due (from Tuesday midnight to Tuesday noon, not realizing that students enrolled in one online summer class are not checking Canvas religiously - there was no email or notification). Son had done three parts early, but initially had a zero on the 4th because he did it Tuesday evening. The professor went back and graded it and bumped his grade back up to an A- from a B.

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My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

I relayed OP's story to my DS (rising sophomore) and his not-so-professional opinion is that the professor is a d*ck.

He got credit for something that was technically late just this week. It was a different situation - the professor changed the deadline the day before it was due (from Tuesday midnight to Tuesday noon, not realizing that students enrolled in one online summer class are not checking Canvas religiously - there was no email or notification). Son had done three parts early, but initially had a zero on the 4th because he did it Tuesday evening. The professor went back and graded it and bumped his grade back up to an A- from a B.

That’s insane. You can’t move up deadlines and you can’t add new graded projects, you can only extend and take away. My chair would be pissed if we did this.

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In this case it’s way better to make the lesson about doing things differently vs. working the system. Work it into a funny grad school essay about the college journey and how they have grown. Turn the negative into a isotope and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:He is an ADULT. Let him deal with it!!!!

This.

You have to stop now or you’ll feel compelled to speak to his supervisor at his first real job.

This is obviously a mom. A man would not be concerned with this shit.

Nope. Tough son, learn your lesson.

Now ds knows things are due at 11:59:00. Especially is he is a freshman.

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I constantly remind my Freshman son to plan plan, plan, plan. Like somebody said, they have to learn this early not in college. Good Lord