How would you feel about losing your company-provided health insurance for "medicare for all"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

[Anonymous]

Ok Trump supporter you are clutching at straws and bad maps (Impeach this).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

+1 You can’t, unless you want the standard of care to go way down because of all the people who aren’t really paying in, but use the services.

It’s why I was a huge supporter of Bernie in ‘16, he barely even talked about immigration, he made it sound like he was going to take care of citizens and the MC first. Now in ‘20 he’s said no more deportations, and that his plans would cover illegal immigrants. And so no way am I voting for him, or anyone else with those policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

I don't know, because I'm not obsessed with following her. As I said previously, I'm not voting for her. I'm certainly not interested in defending her position to you.

As I said, generally other countries who have universal healthcare coverage limit it to citizens and legal permanent residents. Make of that what you will -- I don't care all that much, other than to have claims of fact that matter to me to be accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

She did

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

And rightly so

-- European

[Anonymous]

Trumpets & GOP support medical bankruptcy as our main healthcare plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trumpets & GOP support medical bankruptcy as our main healthcare plan.

Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

I don't know, because I'm not obsessed with following her. As I said previously, I'm not voting for her. I'm certainly not interested in defending her position to you.

As I said, generally other countries who have universal healthcare coverage limit it to citizens and legal permanent residents. Make of that what you will -- I don't care all that much, other than to have claims of fact that matter to me to be accurate.

I don't think this is true. Sorry. I have friends and family members who travel a lot, who live both here and in other countries. Their interactions with countries with universal healthcare have been much more positive than friends of mine who have traveled to the US and had medical emergencies here. Overseas sometimes they had zero charges for hospital stays, sometimes they have very reasonable (aka dirt cheap) charges for hospital stays. And the US bills for people who had emergencies here were over 100k.

My experience has really been the opposite of what you are claiming, so where do your claims come from? I think it is just talking points but not based in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

I don't know, because I'm not obsessed with following her. As I said previously, I'm not voting for her. I'm certainly not interested in defending her position to you.

As I said, generally other countries who have universal healthcare coverage limit it to citizens and legal permanent residents. Make of that what you will -- I don't care all that much, other than to have claims of fact that matter to me to be accurate.

I don't think this is true. Sorry. I have friends and family members who travel a lot, who live both here and in other countries. Their interactions with countries with universal healthcare have been much more positive than friends of mine who have traveled to the US and had medical emergencies here. Overseas sometimes they had zero charges for hospital stays, sometimes they have very reasonable (aka dirt cheap) charges for hospital stays. And the US bills for people who had emergencies here were over 100k.

My experience has really been the opposite of what you are claiming, so where do your claims come from? I think it is just talking points but not based in fact.

Name the countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation.

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise.

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents.

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?

I don't know, because I'm not obsessed with following her. As I said previously, I'm not voting for her. I'm certainly not interested in defending her position to you.

As I said, generally other countries who have universal healthcare coverage limit it to citizens and legal permanent residents. Make of that what you will -- I don't care all that much, other than to have claims of fact that matter to me to be accurate.

I don't think this is true. Sorry. I have friends and family members who travel a lot, who live both here and in other countries. Their interactions with countries with universal healthcare have been much more positive than friends of mine who have traveled to the US and had medical emergencies here. Overseas sometimes they had zero charges for hospital stays, sometimes they have very reasonable (aka dirt cheap) charges for hospital stays. And the US bills for people who had emergencies here were over 100k.

My experience has really been the opposite of what you are claiming, so where do your claims come from? I think it is just talking points but not based in fact.

What you are saying does not contradict at all what previous PP said.

Or, has some relative of yours been treated for, say, cancer, while travelling in Germany or Japan?

I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We also have great healthcare. But I’ve also been in the position of having none, and so I know what that’s like.

It’s an ethics question. You have to decide what your values are. Are you willing to put aside your own interests for the greater common good?

Most people in this country are not. And so here we are.

This.

Plus if you have the money and want it, buy supplemental insurance. The market can still have a role here and people who currently use Medicare have that option to purchase more than what is offered/covered by Medicare.