Is U Chicago worth cost over in-state UVA?

[Anonymous]

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DC has about 14 days to decide. Undecided on major - maybe trying for the business school McIntire at Virginia. As a parent, is it crazy to think Chicago will have fewer distractions compared to the rah-rah UVA

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Where does your DC want to go? Since they got into these two fine schools, let them choose.

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These threads are stupid. If the child is bright enough to go to college then he/she should be able to handle the decision on their own. Why are PARENTS asking these questions?

Because over a hundred grand is at stake and they want to make sure they aren’t just throwing away that kind of $$.

[Anonymous]

McIntire first-year salaries...
The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $72,297; the median annual base salary is $75,000.

Plus Signing Bonus...
The average signing bonus for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $9,261.

Plus Annual Bonus...
The average estimated annual bonus is $22,271.

On what planet is Chicago worth it over McIntire? Show me any data from Chicago that matches this.

[Anonymous]

I went to UVa undergrad and Chicago Booth for my MBA. Post MBA, I worked for McKinsey in Chicago. There were more UVA undergrad hires (business analysts) from UVA than UC in the Chicago office.

If your kid wants to go back east after college, UVA Comm school and/or Echols is better. U of C is definitely a nerdy environment. "Where fun goes to die" is the joke. Two different places to be sure, but can't go wrong with either. If money is an issue, choose UVa. If not, let the kid choose.

[Anonymous]

short answer is No, U of C is not worth the extra $$ over UVA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is very fun. Lots of very attractive peers. And McIntire virtually guarantees a great job in a premier city.

Chicago is not fun. The kids are neurotic pricks. And not attractive.

Working your ass off in undergrad is fine if you want to pursue a PhD. But if not, there's no need for the prime of your life to be depressing punishment.

What are you? A Harvey Weinstein type sexual predator or something? Your obsession with looks is very telling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous

DC has about 14 days to decide. Undecided on major - maybe trying for the business school McIntire at Virginia. As a parent, is it crazy to think Chicago will have fewer distractions compared to the rah-rah UVA

?

Where does your DC want to go? Since they got into these two fine schools, let them choose.

+1

These threads are stupid. If the child is bright enough to go to college then he/she should be able to handle the decision on their own. Why are PARENTS asking these questions?

Because over a hundred grand is at stake and they want to make sure they aren’t just throwing away that kind of $$.

Plus with 50% of the kids (supposedly) changing their major during college, imagine paying $70K/yr for Engineering or CS and the kid wants to become a painter or counselor or some shit like that after two years!

We know someone who sent their kid to a top private university for pre-med and the kid ended up picking psychology as a major because he "likes to work with children". Last we touched base, he was working at a school in the Chicago area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to UVa undergrad and Chicago Booth for my MBA. Post MBA, I worked for McKinsey in Chicago. There were more UVA undergrad hires (business analysts) from UVA than UC in the Chicago office.

If your kid wants to go back east after college, UVA Comm school and/or Echols is better. U of C is definitely a nerdy environment. "Where fun goes to die" is the joke. Two different places to be sure, but can't go wrong with either. If money is an issue, choose UVa. If not, let the kid choose.

I'm not surprised. After 4 years enjoying Chicago, a good number of the business oriented UChicago kids are being heavily recruited by NY and SF and they're excited about that. Kids tend to want to experience different places in their 20s. I can see why a UVA kid would love to try out Chicago and a UChicago kid would want to head to the coasts.

[Anonymous]

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Folks who were rejected, also hate the school. This is one reason the school is waitlisting so many kids now. They recognize the animus that might be generated from a rejection.

It's just intense jealousy

Oh, here I thought Chicago putting 10,000 unqualified kids on a waiting list was another one of their deceptive marketing scams, or as Inside Higher Ed coined it "cruel and insane."

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2018/04/02/colleges-and-high-schools-again-debate-use-waiting-lists-admissions

What UC does is to offer a gap year to waitlisted students as a condition. Those who accept gap year are then locked in for the next year USNews yield stats. This is one reason why Chicago's relatively high yield rate is deceptive. (See College Confidential on Chicago waitlist practice.) And with a very large waitlist, Chicago can pick and choose who they offer spots to, probably based academic and income stats.

Not unique to Chicago. Cf Harvard’s Z-list.

Harvard's Z-list is by invitation only to about 20 a year. Sounds like it's there as a soft landing for people like Obama who couldn't make the cut during the regular round. Chicago's mandating a gap year to waitlisters looks more like a systematic way of ensuring higher yield stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McIntire first-year salaries...
The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $72,297; the median annual base salary is $75,000.

Plus Signing Bonus...
The average signing bonus for the undergraduate Class of 2017 is $9,261.

Plus Annual Bonus...
The average estimated annual bonus is $22,271.

On what planet is Chicago worth it over McIntire? Show me any data from Chicago that matches this.

I have no idea of where one finds this data but anecdotally the above is below what I would expect as averages for business oriented students. Have you compared it to ROSS which is more apples to apples? I do know that in our family, the UChicago offers have come in higher than the Michigan-Ross offers. Both are higher than what you outlined above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous

DC has about 14 days to decide. Undecided on major - maybe trying for the business school McIntire at Virginia. As a parent, is it crazy to think Chicago will have fewer distractions compared to the rah-rah UVA

?

Where does your DC want to go? Since they got into these two fine schools, let them choose.

+1

These threads are stupid. If the child is bright enough to go to college then he/she should be able to handle the decision on their own. Why are PARENTS asking these questions?

Because over a hundred grand is at stake and they want to make sure they aren’t just throwing away that kind of $$.

Plus with 50% of the kids (supposedly) changing their major during college, imagine paying $70K/yr for Engineering or CS and the kid wants to become a painter or counselor or some shit like that after two years!

We know someone who sent their kid to a top private university for pre-med and the kid ended up picking psychology as a major because he "likes to work with children". Last we touched base, he was working at a school in the Chicago area.

Guess there are plenty of cheapskate parents. “ROI”, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Folks who were rejected, also hate the school. This is one reason the school is waitlisting so many kids now. They recognize the animus that might be generated from a rejection.

It's just intense jealousy

Oh, here I thought Chicago putting 10,000 unqualified kids on a waiting list was another one of their deceptive marketing scams, or as Inside Higher Ed coined it "cruel and insane."

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2018/04/02/colleges-and-high-schools-again-debate-use-waiting-lists-admissions

What UC does is to offer a gap year to waitlisted students as a condition. Those who accept gap year are then locked in for the next year USNews yield stats. This is one reason why Chicago's relatively high yield rate is deceptive. (See College Confidential on Chicago waitlist practice.) And with a very large waitlist, Chicago can pick and choose who they offer spots to, probably based academic and income stats.

Not unique to Chicago. Cf Harvard’s Z-list.

Harvard's Z-list is by invitation only to about 20 a year. Sounds like it's there as a soft landing for people like Obama who couldn't make the cut during the regular round. Chicago's mandating a gap year to waitlisters looks more like a systematic way of ensuring higher yield stats.

Gotta love the casual racism here ?. But you still haven’t explained how UChicago offering some waitlisted candidates admission after a gap year is different from Harvard offering some waitlisted candidates admission after a gap year.

[Anonymous]

It's the same. I know as DC was Harvard waitlisted with those conditions and is not a "special" case. The poster chooses to interpret differently by school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's the same. I know as DC was Harvard waitlisted with those conditions and is not a "special" case. The poster chooses to interpret differently by school.

Harvard's is limited to about 20 a year, to special case luminaries. Twenty a year hardly affects the yield stats. Chicago's is more of a mass practice that seems to be offered to most waitlists. This has to affect yield stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the same. I know as DC was Harvard waitlisted with those conditions and is not a "special" case. The poster chooses to interpret differently by school.

Harvard's is limited to about 20 a year, to special case luminaries. Twenty a year hardly affects the yield stats. Chicago's is more of a mass practice that seems to be offered to most waitlists. This has to affect yield stats.

How many at UChicago (and please include a source for the number you provide)?

[Anonymous]

There isn't a way to source anything about UChicago admissions because they don't release any. No common data set. Very secretive.

fyi Cornell also has the gap year thing. They ask at least a couple hundred kids each year if they want to go to college somewhere else for a year, take specific courses, get a certain GPA, then they can attend Cornell as sophomores.