Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies
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Anonymous
Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok. |
Anonymous
Oh yea...who is teaching you that? If anything, don't be ashamed for being White. Be ashamed that many Whites cannot see that they actually have it pretty good compared to others. Whites are quick to criticize other races for acting like "victims," but they are getting very good at it themselves. |
Anonymous
| There is an over representation of white Jewish students at all the top schools. The schools should show the % of white Jewish students admitted compared to non Jewish white students. Jewish students are 2% of the population but take almost 30% of the spots at top schools. It is also a lie that they test better and have better gpas. Calling people anti-Semitic for pointing out a massive, glaring preference for one ethnic group based on statistical facts is ludicrous. I judge people on their actions and could care less about skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I see the action of admission tactics at top universities as unbalanced an unethical and contributing to all the anger. Do they think people are blind to their tactics? If someone is good at math they could figure out the statistical rate for admission of white Jewish students vs now n Jewish white students. Let's guess that Jewish students have an 80% admission rate and non Jewish white students have a 1% admission rate. |
Anonymous
This is racism |
Anonymous
Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized. White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life. |
Anonymous
Yeah, that's another thing that's interesting about AEI's "analysis." The MCAT scoring scale appears to have changed recently, but according to this chart/article: http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Medical_College_Admission_Test the average scaled MCAT score of test takers in 2015 was 499 (which is very close to the average of 2016 applicants I noted above--502). According to the wiki chart, a score of 500 is equal to a score of 25 on the previous scale, which are the scores at the 50th percentile. AEI's chart shows the acceptance rates over a 3 year period with MCAT scores from 24 to 32, or roughly the 47th percentile to the 89th percentile. This is not the full range of scores. Presumably as you drop down below the 50th percentile of scores, you will see acceptance rates decline precipitously for all races, as even the AEI chart suggests. IOW, as I stated in a previous post, there is likely some baseline level of "smarts" that med schools think you need to demonstrate to get in, and below that you probably aren't getting in. But once you meet that baseline, the score itself becomes less important and other factors become more important. I don't touch on grades at all because grades cannot be standardized. There is rampant grade inflation at some schools and very little at others. There's no way to know if a 3.5 at one school is any different from a 3.6 at another. What the AEI chart shows is that, at any MCAT/GPA (at or above the 47th percentile), it is easier to get into med school if you are black or Hispanic. What the AEI chart doesn't show is the racial composition of each column. Since only 8% of med school applicants are black, and black students have, on average, lower test scores, it's entirely possible (likely even) that in the top group of applicants shown in the AEI chart, those who had MCAT scores between 30-32 and GPAs between 3.6-3.79, a disproportionate number of them were white or Asian vs. black or Hispanic. In that category of applicants, maybe only 2 or 3 percent are black--at any rate, some number a fair bit smaller than 8%. That small percentage of black students constitutes the creme de la creme of black applicants to med school, based on scores and GPA. Med schools are deciding to take almost all of those applicants. If we want some of the nation's doctors to be black, those are the applicants we want to be accepted, no? Alternatively, if we want to admit students just on GPA and scores, then we might be effectively deciding that only 2% of the nation's doctors are going to be black, even though 13% of the population is black and a significant share of these people have been shown to prefer black doctors. What the chart also doesn't show is whether a difference in average MCAT score of 27.3 (for blacks) vs 29.2 (for whites) or a difference in average GPA of 3.48 (for blacks) vs. 3.73 (for whites) has any meaningful impact on success in med school and beyond. |
Anonymous
Ah, there you are. I was wondering when you would show up. |
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Anonymous
You proved my point...thanks. |
Anonymous
This is the stereotype I have suffered with my entire life. It hurts. My experience, and the experience of many others is seen as invalid simply because we are white, blind to our own privilege, and could "not possibly understand." |
Anonymous
You are conflicting yourself and you don't even realize it. In your previous post you mentioned that black co-workers talking about "white privilege" but then you say you are aware of it. If you are aware of it then why would you be offended by someone mentioning it? Your experience as white person KNOWING that blacks suffer the indignity of racism is not the same as LIVING the indignity of racism every day. Please, even you can understand its not the same experience. |
Anonymous
| I seem to remember CA did something very similar with abolishing AA when it comes to Uni admissions. You know what the end result was? Majority Asian admits at the state's top schools. I hope these white parents don't scream for a reversal when their kids are outperformed by Asians. |
Anonymous
Why do you think the answer to systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination is more systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination? What is your evidence that it's working well so far? |
Anonymous
Are you saying Affirmative Action is systemic and institutionalized racism against whites? If you make a statement(or accusation) then the burden of proof is on you. You have a case when whites suffered through the indignity of slavery by blacks. Are you willing to suffer through slavery, what blacks suffered through for centuries, for maybe half a century to get the same affirmative action treatment as blacks? |
Anonymous
| How about merit based admission? Does that work? |