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Anonymous wrote:Abortion used as a form of birth control is just plain wrong.

Exactly. That's why the pro-life movement has been so supportive of easy access to birth control, to limit the risk of unplanned pregnancies and thus abortion.

Oh, wait...

Easy access to contraception is hardly a factor ...... most pregnancies occur because of sheer irresponsibility.

Bingo. Abortion rights are primarily about allowing women to live promiscuously, have no-strings-attached sex, and not suffer any consequences whatsoever. Eat, pray, love, etc

See, anti-abortion freaks are all about controlling women's sex lives. That is what it comes down to. Perverts.

Actually, I am pro-choice but I can tell you categorically that many abortions are the result of outright irresponsibility and the attitude that if pregnancy results then abortion is a ready remedy. It is downright immoral to abort just because a couple were not willing to take steps to prevent pregnancy. It has nothing to do with controlling a woman's sex life - it has to do with being responsible before having sex.

And you know this because you are a researcher or because you work at a women's clinic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is such an inconvenience! So just commit murder instead?

You need to look up the legal definition of murder before you use it. It's not at all applicable in any sense. You also need to pray like hell you never have a failure of birth control and end up pregnant. Or that your daughters get raped and end up pregnant. This is not an "other people" issue. This DOES impact you in some way.

Mighty arrogant of you to assume that no-one else has ever weighed these concerns and arrived at a different conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion used as a form of birth control is just plain wrong.

Exactly. That's why the pro-life movement has been so supportive of easy access to birth control, to limit the risk of unplanned pregnancies and thus abortion.

Oh, wait...

Easy access to contraception is hardly a factor ...... most pregnancies occur because of sheer irresponsibility.

Bingo. Abortion rights are primarily about allowing women to live promiscuously, have no-strings-attached sex, and not suffer any consequences whatsoever. Eat, pray, love, etc

More misogyny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is such an inconvenience! So just commit murder instead?

You need to look up the legal definition of murder before you use it. It's not at all applicable in any sense. You also need to pray like hell you never have a failure of birth control and end up pregnant. Or that your daughters get raped and end up pregnant. This is not an "other people" issue. This DOES impact you in some way.

Mighty arrogant of you to assume that no-one else has ever weighed these concerns and arrived at a different conclusion.

No, I do not believe anyone who actively supports banning all abortion has ever stopped to consider that they or a loved one just might need one one day.

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Anonymous wrote:Libs can stomp their feet all they want, but I'll NEVER vote for a pro-choice politician. Ever. This literally takes precedent over every other issue. A large share of the voting population of the country feels the same way. So the GOP starts off with ~30% of the vote automatically.

I'm not a liberal, but I am pro-choice. I don't get the idea of conservatives saying the government shouldn't dictate everything about how people live their lives, yet with the abortion debate, conservatives are quite happy to do just that - tell women what to do with their bodies. How does that make any sense?

Also, PP, I presume most of your anti-choice passion comes from a strong religious belief? If that's the case, ever read the reasons we have the 1st amendment and separation of church and state? Might do you some good to go research the topic a little.

This is such BS. If somebody wants to murder someone with a knife, they are using "their body" to do it. The government shouldn't make it illegal to do that just because it's "their body"? What BS. Every criminal law governs what you can do with your body.

My opposition to abortion doesn't come from religion, it comes from basic morality. Murder is wrong. An arbitrary distinction between a person located on one or another side of the brith canal doesn't change that.

Tell you what: when someone you want to murder is inside your body, you can kill them.

This anti-woman willingness to pretend that pregnancy is easy, simple, straightforward and safe is bullshart. It's not an "arbitrary distinction" to speak of something literally within one's body changing the function of every system and it speaks to the inherent misogyny in the anti-choice argument. You hate women. You think pregnancy is easy and that women should continue to give their bodies to this cause at your command.

DP. You're way too violent for me. Keep it for yourself and your unlucky family.

You post like you think: poorly. So far, you and I are at the exact same level of violence. Of course, even as a pro choice woman, I've never had an abortion. Based on your vehemence, I'd wager you've had several about which you feel deep guilt. You can let the guilt go, PP!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is such an inconvenience! So just commit murder instead?

You need to look up the legal definition of murder before you use it. It's not at all applicable in any sense. You also need to pray like hell you never have a failure of birth control and end up pregnant. Or that your daughters get raped and end up pregnant. This is not an "other people" issue. This DOES impact you in some way.

Mighty arrogant of you to assume that no-one else has ever weighed these concerns and arrived at a different conclusion.

No, I do not believe anyone who actively supports banning all abortion has ever stopped to consider that they or a loved one just might need one one day.

It's different when anti-choicers need an abortion, PP. Their choices are decent and good and not promiscuous. It's other women who need to have their bodies legislated. This hypocrisy is well known.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a premature baby who requires life support? Should parent be able to Murder them too?

Now you're grabbing at straws with just plain stupid arguments.

I'll flip your tired reasoning around. What would have happened to that baby before modern technology created life support and it was left to the "will of god".

Okay you hack, I'll play. I'll flip YOUR tired reasoning around.

What would have happened to a child with a diagnosis of Diabetes before modern technology mastered the synthesis of insulin?

(I'll help you, it was a death sentence.) Now we have medical science that can change the course of a person's life. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it the "will of God"?

Murdering a viable human being at 24/25 weeks gestation (the window keeps getting smaller) is still murder. It's the reason that if you commit a crime against a pregnant woman and she loses her baby, you are going on trial for murder.

OWN THAT.

Sweetheart - seriously, you and the other anti-choice rubes need to stop consuming all the propaganda that tells you this is happening frequently. Less than 2% of all abortions occur 21 weeks and after. No woman is changing her mind about having a baby in their late second and third tr and getting an abortion. There's nothing to own here. I know women who have had late term abortions for health reasons and quite honestly you people who think they did this for fun or to solve an "inconvenience," (your side's words!) are scum.

Sweetheart,

I was attacked by a violent drug addict in my 34th week of pregnancy. He kept saying "Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you."

What was going through my head was "You can't kill me yet! Kill me in 3 weeks, but not yet!"

So... I don't need a lesson from you about viability, you stupid supposedly superior f*ckwit. I screamed in the face of that would-be murderer in real life, don't think I'm afraid your invisibleness and ineffectuality online. You jack*ass.

The fact is that once a woman decides she wants a child, we have now culturally agreed that it is a baby.

We have to square the circle of the valued unborn child. You're the worst sort of pretended defender of women if you think this is easy.

You rube, you scum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a premature baby who requires life support? Should parent be able to Murder them too?

Now you're grabbing at straws with just plain stupid arguments.

I'll flip your tired reasoning around. What would have happened to that baby before modern technology created life support and it was left to the "will of god".

Okay you hack, I'll play. I'll flip YOUR tired reasoning around.

What would have happened to a child with a diagnosis of Diabetes before modern technology mastered the synthesis of insulin?

(I'll help you, it was a death sentence.) Now we have medical science that can change the course of a person's life. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it the "will of God"?

Murdering a viable human being at 24/25 weeks gestation (the window keeps getting smaller) is still murder. It's the reason that if you commit a crime against a pregnant woman and she loses her baby, you are going on trial for murder.

OWN THAT.

Sweetheart - seriously, you and the other anti-choice rubes need to stop consuming all the propaganda that tells you this is happening frequently. Less than 2% of all abortions occur 21 weeks and after. No woman is changing her mind about having a baby in their late second and third tr and getting an abortion. There's nothing to own here. I know women who have had late term abortions for health reasons and quite honestly you people who think they did this for fun or to solve an "inconvenience," (your side's words!) are scum.

Sweetheart,

I was attacked by a violent drug addict in my 34th week of pregnancy. He kept saying "Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you."

What was going through my head was "You can't kill me yet! Kill me in 3 weeks, but not yet!"

So... I don't need a lesson from you about viability, you stupid supposedly superior f*ckwit. I screamed in the face of that would-be murderer in real life, don't think I'm afraid your invisibleness and ineffectuality online. You jack*ass.

The fact is that once a woman decides she wants a child, we have now culturally agreed that it is a baby.

We have to square the circle of the valued unborn child. You're the worst sort of pretended defender of women if you think this is easy.

You rube, you scum.

Um, okay? What does any of that have to do with what I said? Do you have an actual response or were you just hoping I'd get distracted by your little story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is such an inconvenience! So just commit murder instead?

You need to look up the legal definition of murder before you use it. It's not at all applicable in any sense. You also need to pray like hell you never have a failure of birth control and end up pregnant. Or that your daughters get raped and end up pregnant. This is not an "other people" issue. This DOES impact you in some way.

Mighty arrogant of you to assume that no-one else has ever weighed these concerns and arrived at a different conclusion.

No, I do not believe anyone who actively supports banning all abortion has ever stopped to consider that they or a loved one just might need one one day.

It's different when anti-choicers need an abortion, PP. Their choices are decent and good and not promiscuous. It's other women who need to have their bodies legislated. This hypocrisy is well known.

It's a well-known fact among people who work at abortion clinics that many of their patients are pro-life protesters. When pro-life people need an abortion they go get one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a premature baby who requires life support? Should parent be able to Murder them too?

Now you're grabbing at straws with just plain stupid arguments.

I'll flip your tired reasoning around. What would have happened to that baby before modern technology created life support and it was left to the "will of god".

Okay you hack, I'll play. I'll flip YOUR tired reasoning around.

What would have happened to a child with a diagnosis of Diabetes before modern technology mastered the synthesis of insulin?

(I'll help you, it was a death sentence.) Now we have medical science that can change the course of a person's life. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it the "will of God"?

Murdering a viable human being at 24/25 weeks gestation (the window keeps getting smaller) is still murder. It's the reason that if you commit a crime against a pregnant woman and she loses her baby, you are going on trial for murder.

OWN THAT.

Sweetheart - seriously, you and the other anti-choice rubes need to stop consuming all the propaganda that tells you this is happening frequently. Less than 2% of all abortions occur 21 weeks and after. No woman is changing her mind about having a baby in their late second and third tr and getting an abortion. There's nothing to own here. I know women who have had late term abortions for health reasons and quite honestly you people who think they did this for fun or to solve an "inconvenience," (your side's words!) are scum.

Sweetheart,

I was attacked by a violent drug addict in my 34th week of pregnancy. He kept saying "Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you."

What was going through my head was "You can't kill me yet! Kill me in 3 weeks, but not yet!"

So... I don't need a lesson from you about viability, you stupid supposedly superior f*ckwit. I screamed in the face of that would-be murderer in real life, don't think I'm afraid your invisibleness and ineffectuality online. You jack*ass.

The fact is that once a woman decides she wants a child, we have now culturally agreed that it is a baby.

We have to square the circle of the valued unborn child. You're the worst sort of pretended defender of women if you think this is easy.

You rube, you scum.

Um, okay? What does any of that have to do with what I said? Do you have an actual response or were you just hoping I'd get distracted by your little story?

Obviously you must be stupid.

There's a philosophical difference between wanted child and unexpected pregnancy. There's also chronological complexity bringing the two together.

You want this to be easy. That's because you're simple-minded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a premature baby who requires life support? Should parent be able to Murder them too?

Now you're grabbing at straws with just plain stupid arguments.

I'll flip your tired reasoning around. What would have happened to that baby before modern technology created life support and it was left to the "will of god".

Okay you hack, I'll play. I'll flip YOUR tired reasoning around.

What would have happened to a child with a diagnosis of Diabetes before modern technology mastered the synthesis of insulin?

(I'll help you, it was a death sentence.) Now we have medical science that can change the course of a person's life. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it the "will of God"?

Murdering a viable human being at 24/25 weeks gestation (the window keeps getting smaller) is still murder. It's the reason that if you commit a crime against a pregnant woman and she loses her baby, you are going on trial for murder.

OWN THAT.

Sweetheart - seriously, you and the other anti-choice rubes need to stop consuming all the propaganda that tells you this is happening frequently. Less than 2% of all abortions occur 21 weeks and after. No woman is changing her mind about having a baby in their late second and third tr and getting an abortion. There's nothing to own here. I know women who have had late term abortions for health reasons and quite honestly you people who think they did this for fun or to solve an "inconvenience," (your side's words!) are scum.

Sweetheart,

I was attacked by a violent drug addict in my 34th week of pregnancy. He kept saying "Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you."

What was going through my head was "You can't kill me yet! Kill me in 3 weeks, but not yet!"

So... I don't need a lesson from you about viability, you stupid supposedly superior f*ckwit. I screamed in the face of that would-be murderer in real life, don't think I'm afraid your invisibleness and ineffectuality online. You jack*ass.

The fact is that once a woman decides she wants a child, we have now culturally agreed that it is a baby.

We have to square the circle of the valued unborn child. You're the worst sort of pretended defender of women if you think this is easy.

You rube, you scum.

Your little story has absolutely Z E R O to do with the discussion around ABORTION.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Libs can stomp their feet all they want, but I'll NEVER vote for a pro-choice politician. Ever. This literally takes precedent over every other issue. A large share of the voting population of the country feels the same way. So the GOP starts off with ~30% of the vote automatically.

Yeah, and a large share of the population feels the other way. I would never vote for an anti-choice politician either. And many people feel the same way as I do.

Regardless, in today's world both parties start off with something like 30% of the vote each. The rest of the independents are the ones who decide elections. That being said, the GOP's position on reproductive rights has gotten considerably more extreme in the last 5-10 years. It'll be interesting to see if this helps or hurts them...or doesn't impact them at all.

[Anonymous]

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Actually, I am pro-choice but I can tell you categorically that many abortions are the result of outright irresponsibility and the attitude that if pregnancy results then abortion is a ready remedy. It is downright immoral to abort just because a couple were not willing to take steps to prevent pregnancy. It has nothing to do with controlling a woman's sex life - it has to do with being responsible before having sex.

And you know this because you are a researcher or because you work at a women's clinic?

I know this because there are several family members - including immediate family - who are physicians and they have repeatedly stated this based on their knowledge of what happens. One is OB/GYN ..... they are all pro-choice but they would tell you that the vast majority of abortions are not the failure of birth control or rape or incest or concerns about the health of a mother.

It happens because no precautions are taken to avoid pregnancy since there is a fallback - namely an abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a premature baby who requires life support? Should parent be able to Murder them too?

Now you're grabbing at straws with just plain stupid arguments.

I'll flip your tired reasoning around. What would have happened to that baby before modern technology created life support and it was left to the "will of god".

Okay you hack, I'll play. I'll flip YOUR tired reasoning around.

What would have happened to a child with a diagnosis of Diabetes before modern technology mastered the synthesis of insulin?

(I'll help you, it was a death sentence.) Now we have medical science that can change the course of a person's life. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it the "will of God"?

Murdering a viable human being at 24/25 weeks gestation (the window keeps getting smaller) is still murder. It's the reason that if you commit a crime against a pregnant woman and she loses her baby, you are going on trial for murder.

OWN THAT.

Sweetheart - seriously, you and the other anti-choice rubes need to stop consuming all the propaganda that tells you this is happening frequently. Less than 2% of all abortions occur 21 weeks and after. No woman is changing her mind about having a baby in their late second and third tr and getting an abortion. There's nothing to own here. I know women who have had late term abortions for health reasons and quite honestly you people who think they did this for fun or to solve an "inconvenience," (your side's words!) are scum.

Sweetheart,

I was attacked by a violent drug addict in my 34th week of pregnancy. He kept saying "Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you. Give me your money or I'll kill you."

What was going through my head was "You can't kill me yet! Kill me in 3 weeks, but not yet!"

So... I don't need a lesson from you about viability, you stupid supposedly superior f*ckwit. I screamed in the face of that would-be murderer in real life, don't think I'm afraid your invisibleness and ineffectuality online. You jack*ass.

The fact is that once a woman decides she wants a child, we have now culturally agreed that it is a baby.

We have to square the circle of the valued unborn child. You're the worst sort of pretended defender of women if you think this is easy.

You rube, you scum.

Your little story has absolutely Z E R O to do with the discussion around ABORTION.

NP here. PP, your situation was terrible, on that I agree. That was a horrible thing that happened to you.

It has nothing to do with abortion and the rest of this discussion. This is called deflection. Instead of continuing the conversation and answering previous posters and their questions to you to validate your unsubstantiated claims, you brought up an entirely new, unrelated topic.

I understand the pain you have gone through. That does not change the facts surrounding the pro-choice v pro-life debate.

[Anonymous]

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Actually, I am pro-choice but I can tell you categorically that many abortions are the result of outright irresponsibility and the attitude that if pregnancy results then abortion is a ready remedy. It is downright immoral to abort just because a couple were not willing to take steps to prevent pregnancy. It has nothing to do with controlling a woman's sex life - it has to do with being responsible before having sex.

Can you provide definitive evidence of this? How do you disentangle the impact of abortion rights compared to things like the loosening of sexual mores which was partially a result of the birth control bill and concerted effort to provide misleading or no education about reproduction in schools? The latter is truly infuriating. I know college-educated people with completely false and dangerous ideas about sex (e.g. anal sex is safer from an STD perspective than vaginal sex).