this is the only place to admit it

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

Thanks for the posting that! And you know what, I think it's great that he has identified with different political parties throughout the years! I have too, so I find it very encouraging that he has. I'd vote for him if he were democrat or republican in 2016.

Even with a super conservative VP?

NP. I haven't come across any people who voted for Obama twice say (or admit) that they're voting for Trump, but I know MANY who refuse to vote for Hillary due to her dishonest and corruption. They all tell me the same thing - they're sitting it out or voting third party. That's good news for Trump.

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

Consistency =/= someone who has identified as a member of the Reform Party, Republican and Democrat. Sorry - no. He has no position because he has no beliefs.

Well, I won't waste my time trying to change your mind, you seem like you have your mind made up, but I will say that I think you're wrong. I wasn't for or against Trump as recent as 3 months ago, but I knew I wasn't okay with Hillary Clinton, so I kept an open mind and took some time to learn more about Trump (outside the hype: He's racist! He hates immigrants! He hates women!) and I can say for sure that he does have beliefs, and I agree with them.

Just curious, where did you look to "learn more" about him?

The only place I could learn more about him without bias. I watched his speeches and interviews, so his own words. YouTube has plenty of videos. And let me just say, I didn't go in thinking I would have my mind changed to be a Trump supporter. I never thought he'd be the nominee if you asked me 6+ months ago. My husband would get all worked up and rant about Trump and I'd tell him to knock it off because there was no way Trump was getting nominated. I'd laugh and say talk to me in a few months when we have a better idea of what's going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

They're trolls. No thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump. Will Trump get votes? Yes. Will he win? Probably not. Remember how we were all going to be "so surprised" when Romney won? And instead it was Republicans, who had not then and have not now come to grips with the fact that their party is becoming a fringe party, who were terribly surprised and confused.

Why do you think that? Not everybody is as partisan as you are. I voted for Obama in 2012 but will support Trump enthusiastically in November.

Really? Are you excited about Pence?

No. I didn't even know who Pence is until Trump picked him. And I didn't care about Joe Biden either.

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

Thanks for the posting that! And you know what, I think it's great that he has identified with different political parties throughout the years! I have too, so I find it very encouraging that he has. I'd vote for him if he were democrat or republican in 2016.

Even with a super conservative VP?

Yes. And even with an equally super liberal VP if he was a democrat. I've been a democrat, independent and a republican. Currently registered republican.

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

Thanks for the posting that! And you know what, I think it's great that he has identified with different political parties throughout the years! I have too, so I find it very encouraging that he has. I'd vote for him if he were democrat or republican in 2016.

Even with a super conservative VP?

NP. I haven't come across any people who voted for Obama twice say (or admit) that they're voting for Trump, but I know MANY who refuse to vote for Hillary due to her dishonest and corruption. They all tell me the same thing - they're sitting it out or voting third party. That's good news for Trump.

I have a friend. He is a cop. Voted for Obama both times. Not particularly liberal, but wasn’t happy with the Republican choices.
He is a HUUUGGGEEE Trump supporter. Has been from the beginning. And, he is in a battleground state. I suspect there are lots more like him.

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

Consistency =/= someone who has identified as a member of the Reform Party, Republican and Democrat. Sorry - no. He has no position because he has no beliefs.

Well, I won't waste my time trying to change your mind, you seem like you have your mind made up, but I will say that I think you're wrong. I wasn't for or against Trump as recent as 3 months ago, but I knew I wasn't okay with Hillary Clinton, so I kept an open mind and took some time to learn more about Trump (outside the hype: He's racist! He hates immigrants! He hates women!) and I can say for sure that he does have beliefs, and I agree with them.

Just curious, where did you look to "learn more" about him?

The only place I could learn more about him without bias. I watched his speeches and interviews, so his own words. YouTube has plenty of videos. And let me just say, I didn't go in thinking I would have my mind changed to be a Trump supporter. I never thought he'd be the nominee if you asked me 6+ months ago. My husband would get all worked up and rant about Trump and I'd tell him to knock it off because there was no way Trump was getting nominated. I'd laugh and say talk to me in a few months when we have a better idea of what's going to happen.

I've also read his own words. He has some policies, many of which are moderate and some of which I agree with, others I disagree with. They're all flexible, though. He doesn't really have principles, just gut feelings. And I don't think he is very racist or sexist, probably no more so than any other 70 year old white man, but he is very savvy about using racist language to turn people. And he attacks anyone who is not a fan of his, including judges, fellow Republicans, anyone. His temperament concerns me, his choice of Pence concerns me.

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Thanks everyone. I have been on the fence and was considering not voting at all. But now I am probably voting for Trump. This thread has been really helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks everyone. I have been on the fence and was considering not voting at all. But now I am probably voting for Trump. This thread has been really helpful.

Get ready to be crucified by some on this board. It is something many of us have become accustomed to.

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Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

Consistency =/= someone who has identified as a member of the Reform Party, Republican and Democrat. Sorry - no. He has no position because he has no beliefs.

Well, I won't waste my time trying to change your mind, you seem like you have your mind made up, but I will say that I think you're wrong. I wasn't for or against Trump as recent as 3 months ago, but I knew I wasn't okay with Hillary Clinton, so I kept an open mind and took some time to learn more about Trump (outside the hype: He's racist! He hates immigrants! He hates women!) and I can say for sure that he does have beliefs, and I agree with them.

+1

I stumbled upon an Oprah interview with Trump in 1988. What he said almost 30 years ago was pretty much the same as he is saying today. I also find him fairly consistent in his positions and agree with him a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Just reading some of the responses here is evidence why Trump may well win this election.
The vitriol of those on the left who cannot imagine someone - especially someone of color - voting for Trump really causes many to support him more.
This is exactly what happened to me. Hateful comments, bias in reporting on the part of the media, and the elitist attitude of too many just pushed me over to Trump.
And, to be honest, I really do believe that Trump will do more for people of color than Hillary, or for that matter, than Obama has ever done.
(I am not OP)

I know. Completely agree with your post. Why aren't the republicans who have claimed that they can't stand Trump and will vote for Hillary Clinton being attacked by other republicans? As a republican, I can say that I am not angry if that is who they choose to vote for. I might not agree with their choice, but I won't argue and call them names.

And let me just say that I 100% agree with this

And, to be honest, I really do believe that Trump will do more for people of color than Hillary, or for that matter, than Obama has ever done.

This probably scares democrats more than anything else about "racist" Donald Trump. Donald Trump knows that helping those who are living in poverty and the middle class are what will be best for the country right now. The programs that liberals love and that they claim republicans want to take away are what is so harmful to poor people. And before anyone says that republicans don't care about poor people and want to take away welfare and food stamps, let me say that you're wrong. The programs are needed and they need to be fixed. We don't need to keep adding new ones, we need to fix what's broken in the ones that already exist.

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Anonymous wrote:To the person who said no thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump, you are wrong.

I am what you would call a Liberal Dem and I DO NOT want to vote for Hillary.

I voted for Obama twice, in no small part b/c he WASN'T Hillary. I just cannot reward her atrocious behavior. I am incredibly upset that she is the Dem. nominee. This may seem lame, but I am so sick of Clintons & Bushes. I really thought we were turning page with Obama.

Do I agree with what Trump says? Hell no. I think he is a misogynist, xenophobic, bigot. At the same time, I am not really scared of him. He's a blowhard.

I can't stand his pick for VP. That's the worst part of a possible Trump presidency. Is this enough to make me vote for Hillary? I honestly don't know yet. I have never not voted before. I don't know what I am going to do.

You're not scared of him because he is a blowhard? OMG, and incompetent, racist misogynist blowhard as president of the United States doesn't bother you? Yikes. I actually voted for Bernie Sanders and i still wish he had won, but I'm voting for Clinton. No questions about it. Again, no one who voted for Obama and is a liberal democrat is going to vote for Trump. No way in hell you are being honest, PP. No one is buying it.

OK, don't buy it. I'm just trying to let you know that the OP is not alone in his/her feelings. (BTW I am not black, just a liberal Dem.)

Like the OP, I have one issue where I tend to trust Trump more than Hillary but I would not dare say it aloud. NONE of my friends/family know. None.

When my friends talk politics it is simply stipulated that we all hate Trump and all are wiling to settle for Hillary. I would not have the guts to question that in public.

But I haven't made up my mind yet, and that is the God's honest truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here: I'm just here to say what I refuse, or rather uncomfortable, saying to my friends and family. Not trolling at all. Very very uncomfortable to tell/explain to people that I am voting for Trump. I will not discuss any political views. I'm often listening. My reasons for voting for him would be picked apart on here and in person. I don't want to subject myself to it. Not a troll. Just uncomfortable being transparent about a decision that is unpopular among my peers and to the larger extent-the nation.

Probably it is something like "to get back at so and so, who's always being so smug." I understand why you wouldn't want to admit that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just reading some of the responses here is evidence why Trump may well win this election.
The vitriol of those on the left who cannot imagine someone - especially someone of color - voting for Trump really causes many to support him more.
This is exactly what happened to me. Hateful comments, bias in reporting on the part of the media, and the elitist attitude of too many just pushed me over to Trump.
And, to be honest, I really do believe that Trump will do more for people of color than Hillary, or for that matter, than Obama has ever done.
(I am not OP)

Well, there is this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-gets-0-support-black-voters-ohio-pennsylvania-nbc-n609026

Poll one week ago: Trump gets zero percent of black voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania, two places significantly more conservative than DC.

Zero. Percent.

So it's not vitriol or hatred.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just reading some of the responses here is evidence why Trump may well win this election.
The vitriol of those on the left who cannot imagine someone - especially someone of color - voting for Trump really causes many to support him more.
This is exactly what happened to me. Hateful comments, bias in reporting on the part of the media, and the elitist attitude of too many just pushed me over to Trump.
And, to be honest, I really do believe that Trump will do more for people of color than Hillary, or for that matter, than Obama has ever done.
(I am not OP)

Well, there is this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-gets-0-support-black-voters-ohio-pennsylvania-nbc-n609026

Poll one week ago: Trump gets zero percent of black voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania, two places significantly more conservative than DC.

Zero. Percent.

So it's not vitriol or hatred.

Call it what you want, pp. All it takes is reading the comments to see that there is clearly lots of hate and vitriol from the liberal democrats against op and other Trump supporters.

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I voted for Obama twice.

I was a lifelong Dem (from Massachusetts so I was brainwashed.)

I interned for Senator Kennedy.

I was a delegate for Dukakis.

And I am voting for Trump.