this is the only place to admit it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

And, you believe everything the media says?
That was a NY Times report - and we know who they have endorsed.
Yep, he is a disrupter. Hopefully we will finally get some things accomplished under his presidency.

I don't believe there is anyone on earth who voted for Obama and is going to vote for Trump. These are Trump PR people posting this crap. It makes zero sense. I don't believe a single one of those posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

They're trolls. No thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump. Will Trump get votes? Yes. Will he win? Probably not. Remember how we were all going to be "so surprised" when Romney won? And instead it was Republicans, who had not then and have not now come to grips with the fact that their party is becoming a fringe party, who were terribly surprised and confused.

I'd be prepared for a upsetting ending, PP. There are plenty of people who have lost all faith in the system and figure they have nothing left to lose. This country is a shit show. And the two candidates have emerged based on how US citizens are feeling. WE created this. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

[Anonymous]

To the person who said no thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump, you are wrong.

I am what you would call a Liberal Dem and I DO NOT want to vote for Hillary.

I voted for Obama twice, in no small part b/c he WASN'T Hillary. I just cannot reward her atrocious behavior. I am incredibly upset that she is the Dem. nominee. This may seem lame, but I am so sick of Clintons & Bushes. I really thought we were turning page with Obama.

Do I agree with what Trump says? Hell no. I think he is a misogynist, xenophobic, bigot. At the same time, I am not really scared of him. He's a blowhard.

I can't stand his pick for VP. That's the worst part of a possible Trump presidency. Is this enough to make me vote for Hillary? I honestly don't know yet. I have never not voted before. I don't know what I am going to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

And, you believe everything the media says?
That was a NY Times report - and we know who they have endorsed.
Yep, he is a disrupter. Hopefully we will finally get some things accomplished under his presidency.

I don't believe there is anyone on earth who voted for Obama and is going to vote for Trump. These are Trump PR people posting this crap. It makes zero sense. I don't believe a single one of those posts.

This made me laugh. The people on this thread and the people in the media are constantly talking about what a disorganized campaign Trump has.... and yet, you believe he has PR people posting here?! That is hysterically funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

Consistency =/= someone who has identified as a member of the Reform Party, Republican and Democrat. Sorry - no. He has no position because he has no beliefs.

Well, I won't waste my time trying to change your mind, you seem like you have your mind made up, but I will say that I think you're wrong. I wasn't for or against Trump as recent as 3 months ago, but I knew I wasn't okay with Hillary Clinton, so I kept an open mind and took some time to learn more about Trump (outside the hype: He's racist! He hates immigrants! He hates women!) and I can say for sure that he does have beliefs, and I agree with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the person who said no thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump, you are wrong.

I am what you would call a Liberal Dem and I DO NOT want to vote for Hillary.

I voted for Obama twice, in no small part b/c he WASN'T Hillary. I just cannot reward her atrocious behavior. I am incredibly upset that she is the Dem. nominee. This may seem lame, but I am so sick of Clintons & Bushes. I really thought we were turning page with Obama.

Do I agree with what Trump says? Hell no. I think he is a misogynist, xenophobic, bigot. At the same time, I am not really scared of him. He's a blowhard.

I can't stand his pick for VP. That's the worst part of a possible Trump presidency. Is this enough to make me vote for Hillary? I honestly don't know yet. I have never not voted before. I don't know what I am going to do.

You're not scared of him because he is a blowhard? OMG, and incompetent, racist misogynist blowhard as president of the United States doesn't bother you? Yikes. I actually voted for Bernie Sanders and i still wish he had won, but I'm voting for Clinton. No questions about it. Again, no one who voted for Obama and is a liberal democrat is going to vote for Trump. No way in hell you are being honest, PP. No one is buying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

Thanks for the posting that! And you know what, I think it's great that he has identified with different political parties throughout the years! I have too, so I find it very encouraging that he has. I'd vote for him if he were democrat or republican in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

And, you believe everything the media says?
That was a NY Times report - and we know who they have endorsed.
Yep, he is a disrupter. Hopefully we will finally get some things accomplished under his presidency.

I don't believe there is anyone on earth who voted for Obama and is going to vote for Trump. These are Trump PR people posting this crap. It makes zero sense. I don't believe a single one of those posts.

This made me laugh. The people on this thread and the people in the media are constantly talking about what a disorganized campaign Trump has.... and yet, you believe he has PR people posting here?! That is hysterically funny.

Not as hysterically funny as Melania's speech. thanks again for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the person who said no thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump, you are wrong.

I am what you would call a Liberal Dem and I DO NOT want to vote for Hillary.

I voted for Obama twice, in no small part b/c he WASN'T Hillary. I just cannot reward her atrocious behavior. I am incredibly upset that she is the Dem. nominee. This may seem lame, but I am so sick of Clintons & Bushes. I really thought we were turning page with Obama.

Do I agree with what Trump says? Hell no. I think he is a misogynist, xenophobic, bigot. At the same time, I am not really scared of him. He's a blowhard.

I can't stand his pick for VP. That's the worst part of a possible Trump presidency. Is this enough to make me vote for Hillary? I honestly don't know yet. I have never not voted before. I don't know what I am going to do.

You're not scared of him because he is a blowhard? OMG, and incompetent, racist misogynist blowhard as president of the United States doesn't bother you? Yikes. I actually voted for Bernie Sanders and i still wish he had won, but I'm voting for Clinton. No questions about it. Again, no one who voted for Obama and is a liberal democrat is going to vote for Trump. No way in hell you are being honest, PP. No one is buying it.

Is this the same poster who keeps denying this over, and over, and over again, even after different people keep posting that the opposite is true? Or are there more than one person who thinks this? I thought liberal democrats were supposed to be open-minded, but you keep proving that that isn't true. People should be allowed to vote for whoever they want to without being told that they are dishonest. You are being awful, pp. An embarrassment to your own party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

They're trolls. No thinking person who voted for Obama would ever, ever vote for Trump. Will Trump get votes? Yes. Will he win? Probably not. Remember how we were all going to be "so surprised" when Romney won? And instead it was Republicans, who had not then and have not now come to grips with the fact that their party is becoming a fringe party, who were terribly surprised and confused.

Why do you think that? Not everybody is as partisan as you are. I voted for Obama in 2012 but will support Trump enthusiastically in November.

Really? Are you excited about Pence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really depressing, especially to hear from other people that have responded that they also voted for Obama and will vote for Trump. People want to vote for Trump to "shake things up" when he's basically said he's going to let his VP dictate foreign and domestic policy. Yikes.

And, you believe everything the media says?
That was a NY Times report - and we know who they have endorsed.
Yep, he is a disrupter. Hopefully we will finally get some things accomplished under his presidency.

I don't believe there is anyone on earth who voted for Obama and is going to vote for Trump. These are Trump PR people posting this crap. It makes zero sense. I don't believe a single one of those posts.

This made me laugh. The people on this thread and the people in the media are constantly talking about what a disorganized campaign Trump has.... and yet, you believe he has PR people posting here?! That is hysterically funny.

Not as hysterically funny as Melania's speech. thanks again for that.

Is that all you have to contribute? I'm sure you mean for it to be an insult, but it's pretty weak. Not to mention childish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

Consistency =/= someone who has identified as a member of the Reform Party, Republican and Democrat. Sorry - no. He has no position because he has no beliefs.

Well, I won't waste my time trying to change your mind, you seem like you have your mind made up, but I will say that I think you're wrong. I wasn't for or against Trump as recent as 3 months ago, but I knew I wasn't okay with Hillary Clinton, so I kept an open mind and took some time to learn more about Trump (outside the hype: He's racist! He hates immigrants! He hates women!) and I can say for sure that he does have beliefs, and I agree with them.

Just curious, where did you look to "learn more" about him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hillary has changed her principles and policies plenty over the last 30 years. There is a very interesting YouTube video that shows interviews with Trump beginning in 1980 and ending around the time he officially declared he was running for president in 2016 and he is so consistent about what he says through the years. The video made me rethink my decision to stay home in November. I showed my Trump-hating husband the video (could not believe he watched it because he HATED Trump!) and he said something along the lines of Trump being very consistent over a 35 year period. My husband is very cynical and doesn't change his mind very easily, so the fact that he watched the video and didn't say anything negative about Trump is a very big deal. Not sure if he will vote in 2016, but if he does, it's not going to be for Hillary. He thinks she is very corrupt and dishonest. He is also a minority and recently became a registered voter. This will be his first presidential election he can vote in. I hope he votes.

The US and the world have changed a lot since 1980. Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then. Whether Clinton is corrupt and dishonest or not, it's not an indictment of her to say that her policies and principles have changed. I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980). His principles are of a businessman, a salesman. His desire to abandon our trade treaties, our allies, and our principles (the Geneva Convention) are very US-centric -- he's not a politician so he's welcome to his principles, but they are very unusual on the national stage. Are we to hope that he doesn't actually mean them?

Even the finest, most upstanding person has changed since then.

I agree, and there's nothing wrong with that. Even I have changed my voter registration a few times since I first registered to vote in 1999.

I won't say it's an indictment of Trump that his principles haven't changed, although I think it does him no credit (he was a Democrat in 1980)

Can you provide a link to Trump declaring that he's a Democrat in 1980? Because I saw an interview in the 1980's of him stating that he leaned more Republican.

And as you mentioned, the US and world have changed a lot since 1980. I read that as a justification for why Hillary Clinton's principles and policies have changed. She's always been a democrat, so maybe it's a democratic thing, to change policies and principles as things change in the US and world. Republicans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the governing documents of the USA and those aren't supposed to change, they are supposed to be the law of the land.

And I agree that Donald Trump is very US-centric, and he articulates why in interviews throughout the last 35+ years. I agree with him on most of what he says.

From Trump's wiki page:

Political party:

Republican (1987–99; 2009–11; 2012–present)[2]
Independent (2011–12)
Democratic (until 1987; 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)

Thanks for the posting that! And you know what, I think it's great that he has identified with different political parties throughout the years! I have too, so I find it very encouraging that he has. I'd vote for him if he were democrat or republican in 2016.

Even with a super conservative VP?