Lemonade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Please give specific examples of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Please give specific examples of this.

Face plant.

Why don't YOU give examples of how exactly it IS. And don't say "her skin color is black!" or that she sings about the states her parents were born it. Go ahead, tell us what about Beyonce makes her experience like my black neighbor or the blacks in Louisiana after Katrina or Baltimore after the riots, or just every other day experiences. Similarities minus her privilege and obvious charmed life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Well, you literally said something racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Well, you literally said something racist.

Racist Card. Crying racist over something rather than presenting a logical argument. There are terms for that, too.

I'm not white and what was said is definitely not racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Well, you literally said something racist.

Racist Card. Crying racist over something rather than presenting a logical argument. There are terms for that, too.

I'm not white and what was said is definitely not racist.

NP. You make a point to say you're not white but not to say you're black. You cannot speak for black people just because you're another race.

[Anonymous]

I watched the premiere and thought it was fabulous. I was literally riveted and kept telling DH, "Look at this! Look at her/look at the costumes/look at the storytelling/look at the cinematography/etc." Good for her for making something so striking out of a traumatic event.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Well, you literally said something racist.

Racist Card. Crying racist over something rather than presenting a logical argument. There are terms for that, too.

I'm not white and what was said is definitely not racist.

NP. You make a point to say you're not white but not to say you're black. You cannot speak for black people just because you're another race.

People pointing out that YOU are illogical and reactionary aren't "speaking for black people" or saying anything about "black people", they're talking about YOU. If you happen to be black, that's lovely. That's not why people are calling out your behavior. You're a step shy of a stereotype yourself with this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys would be fine if Taylor Swift sang "You better call Shaneequa with the afro" and all the white women retorted "this is not about you or your experience, you have no place to comment"?

I doubt that. You'd be screaming it was racist and how dare she.... and all of your loud voices would have plenty to say.

Please don't forget this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman. Some other poetic visionary genius whittled this together and is using Bey as their vehicle.

Totally agree with everything the previous poster said about enjoying the album while it is not necessarily about "you".

Wow, that link is very informative.

Wow, that's shockingly ignorant. Since when does class privilege erase Blackness? I'm upper middle class, my parents had excellent jobs, and I went to private school. That doesn't make me any less Black.

You're an outsider. You're seriously overstepping your boundaries by trying to define Beyoncés Blackness.

Nobody's "erasing Blackness". That's not even possible, because "Blackness" isn't just one thing, or one experience. PP is pointing out, somewhat ham-handedly, that the stereotypical idea of "blackness" and Beyonce's inarguably privileged upbringing are at odds. That doesn't make Beyonce any less black (there's a whole spectrum of "black"), but intersectionality matters. Beyonce's class privilege alters, somewhat radically, her experience of "blackness". Rich, privileged people don't know life the way poor, underprivileged people in underserved communities do.

When rich, privileged people start singing about/to the stereotype of blackness outside their experience, we should be aware of it. Can she, as an artist, channel the experience(s) of others, and represent things outside her own personal culture and upbringing? Sure. Are those things authentically hers? No. Do the people to whom those things authentically belong have a right, and responsibility, to shed some light on how she has appropriated their culture/experience for profit? Yes. That is an actual thing that #notjustwhitepeople do.

There's more to the Black experience than the struggle. It's racist to say that Beyoncé doesn't know what it's like to be a Black woman because she doesn't measure up to some negative stereotype - That Black women are "struggling, poor, unprivileged, disrespected, discriminated against [and] suffering".

Is "racist" your response to everything you don't like? Stating s fact doesn't make something racist and PP is speaking to one area of Beyoncé's experience - her upbringing and privilege. Stop crying racist everytime someone presents you with a logical argument or statement.

No, I'm simply pointing out that what pp said (Beyoncé doesn't know what it's like to be a Black woman bc she doesn't meet their negative stereotypes) was racist. Do you get defensive and accuse PoC of playing the race card every time someone points out racism? Maybe you're the one with the problem.

It's really common for white people to react the way you just did when they're called out for being racist. The scholarly term for it is white fragility.


http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-white-people-freak-out-when-theyre-called-out-about-race

Yawn. And everything a POC doesn't like is racist. Your argument is invalid. It's really reaching to call every opinion or statement that disagrees with you racist.

You're dismissive and her argument is valid. PP had said "Stop crying racist everytime someone presents you with a logical argument or statement." Which may be fine if she knew the poster in real life to repeatedly cry "racist", but since she doesn't, she applied to her post the thinking that every time a POC complains about racism she's playing the race card.

Nuance is lost on her, PP. The point, that Beyonce's is not the sole experience of "blackness" and her class privilege gives her a unique and rarified perspective, is logic. The obvious, that Beyonce doesn't know how to be ALL black women, nor is Beyonce's perspective to be taken as the epitome of "blackness", is also logic. If anyone on this thread had actually said "Beyonce isn't really black because she doesn't fit the stereotype of black poverty" then PP would have a point. It would, in fact, be racist to say that.

But nobody said that. The original PP came kinda close by saying, clumsily, that "this album is not Beyonce's experience as a black woman. She grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood, both parents had excellent jobs, she had the best of everything, went to private school, and her dad quit his job to manage her budding career after she went to a school for the performing arts. I doubt SHE knows what it's like to be a black woman." Taken in context, it's clear that the original PP was talking about Beyonce's class privilege. This was also pointed out by the second PP, to whom Ms. RaceCard replied. If she had wanted to understand, it was there to understand.

Sometimes people just like to react, and blame "whiteness" and call other people reactionary. It's sad, but it happens.

As if being middle and upper middle class is not a valid or frequent black experience.
Your limited idea of blackness is nerve wracking.

Your limited reading comprehension is annoying af. Nobody on this thread has said anything about the validity of blackness/the black experience. Merely that Beyonce's experience is not that of a POC in poverty, which is nothing more than fact/logic. Nobody said the experience of a POC in poverty is The Black Experience™ either. What has been said, contrary to your claims of some "limited idea of blackness" is"..."Blackness" isn't just one thing, or one experience" and "...there's a whole spectrum of "black"), but intersectionality matters."

So maybe you should practice reading before commenting.

That is exactly what was said. Beyoncé grew up upper middle class and doesn't know what it means to be a Black woman.

Thank You.
That was exactly what was said to what I responded to.
Sickening , people tryi g to tell other people whether or not they are black, but their idea of black dies not extend beyond being broke and being a baby momma. I grew up middle class, college educated with college educated grandparents. I am not an anonmaly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Please give specific examples of this.

Face plant.

Why don't YOU give examples of how exactly it IS. And don't say "her skin color is black!" or that she sings about the states her parents were born it. Go ahead, tell us what about Beyonce makes her experience like my black neighbor or the blacks in Louisiana after Katrina or Baltimore after the riots, or just every other day experiences. Similarities minus her privilege and obvious charmed life.

Poor little tink tink. You obviously don't know many Black people if your frame of reference is Katrina and the Baltimore riots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her black experience is not typically the experience she is singing about.

Don't be so obtuse & so literal. You know what was meant.

Please give specific examples of this.

Face plant.

Why don't YOU give examples of how exactly it IS. And don't say "her skin color is black!" or that she sings about the states her parents were born it. Go ahead, tell us what about Beyonce makes her experience like my black neighbor or the blacks in Louisiana after Katrina or Baltimore after the riots, or just every other day experiences. Similarities minus her privilege and obvious charmed life.

Poor little tink tink. You obviously don't know many Black people if your frame of reference is Katrina and the Baltimore riots.

You obviously don't know how to read good, or do other stuff good, too. The point has been made numerous times, and you either don't see it, or are being willfully obtuse and choosing to argue around/over/under it. Beyonce, who has always known wealth, and now enjoys wealth on a superlative level, has not had the same experience as other people who haven't. Citing Katrina is fair game, since she exploited it in her "Formation" video (though she wasn't there, didn't live it, etc.).

Poor little ignorant you. Maybe it's whitey's fault you didn't get a quality education.

[Anonymous]

NP.. With all the dismissiveness upthread, can the poster who said "I doubt Beyoncé knows what it's like to be a Black woman" explain that statement. What exactly do you think it's like to be a Black woman? I too took it to mean the poster meant it as a Black woman is equivalent to all the negative pejorative stereotypes imaginable. Perhaps, I and the other posters are wrong in our interpretation of that sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How exactly is Beyoncé appropriating an experience that is not authentically hers?

"My daddy Alabama, mama Louisiana. You mix that negro with the creole, make a Texas bamma. I like my baby's hair with baby hair and Afros. I like my negro nose with Jackson 5 notrils. Earned all this money, but they never take the country out me."

Beyonce's father is from Alabama, and her mother is a creole from Louisiana. She grew up in Texas. And her poor daughter Blue has received plenty of flack for her natural hair and ethnic nose.

Sounds pretty authentic to me.

So according to you the fact that beyonces parents were born in Alabama & Louisiana make her authentically black? That makes zero sense. You've picked one song to demonstrate the lyrics show where her parents were born, what is black about that?

And beyonce had nostrils, too, before she had the nose job.

Define authentically Black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.. With all the dismissiveness upthread, can the poster who said "I doubt Beyoncé knows what it's like to be a Black woman" explain that statement. What exactly do you think it's like to be a Black woman? I too took it to mean the poster meant it as a Black woman is equivalent to all the negative pejorative stereotypes imaginable. Perhaps, I and the other posters are wrong in our interpretation of that sentence.

I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the same person who called out the comment (multiple times). This thread is full of trolololololols.

People like to be angry on the internet, and Beyonce's "blackness" is an easy target because it's nebulous and largely undefinable. See also every other thread re: Beyonce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.. With all the dismissiveness upthread, can the poster who said "I doubt Beyoncé knows what it's like to be a Black woman" explain that statement. What exactly do you think it's like to be a Black woman? I too took it to mean the poster meant it as a Black woman is equivalent to all the negative pejorative stereotypes imaginable. Perhaps, I and the other posters are wrong in our interpretation of that sentence.

I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the same person who called out the comment (multiple times). This thread is full of trolololololols.

People like to be angry on the internet, and Beyonce's "blackness" is an easy target because it's nebulous and largely undefinable. See also every other thread re: Beyonce.

I'm the poster who first called out that statement. I didn't post it, and I'm not a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How exactly is Beyoncé appropriating an experience that is not authentically hers?

"My daddy Alabama, mama Louisiana. You mix that negro with the creole, make a Texas bamma. I like my baby's hair with baby hair and Afros. I like my negro nose with Jackson 5 notrils. Earned all this money, but they never take the country out me."

Beyonce's father is from Alabama, and her mother is a creole from Louisiana. She grew up in Texas. And her poor daughter Blue has received plenty of flack for her natural hair and ethnic nose.

Sounds pretty authentic to me.

So according to you the fact that beyonces parents were born in Alabama & Louisiana make her authentically black? That makes zero sense. You've picked one song to demonstrate the lyrics show where her parents were born, what is black about that?

And beyonce had nostrils, too, before she had the nose job.

NP. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the fact that both of her parents are black make her black. What is "authentically black" anyway?

This post brought in the "authentic" - maybe the poster can define.