Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

I saw the clip this morning and this was my first question. WTH??!!????

BECAUSE SHE WAS UNFAIRLY PROFILED AND PULLED OVER! Sorry for the yelling, but it's pretty clear and I've said this before on this thread and been ignored repeatedly. He tailed her closely so that she changed lane to let him get past -- which was both the appropriate thing to do for a cop and generally just considerate driving -- and then he pulled her over for doing so. You don't instigate someone to do something -- by tailing her aggressively -- then ticket them for doing so without your victim being pissed. Absolutely, 100 percent unacceptable and the cop's bosses agree. He behaved appallingly and has been suspended. She should never have been arrested, should never have been in jail and would be alive today if the cop had been doing his job properly and not acting like he was on a power trip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: It is abso-frreaking amazing to me that people are putting more onus on the citizen than on the cop. This man issued orders he had NO LEGAL RIGHT TO DO! He has been restricted to desk duty for violations due to this arrest. And we are still hearing from people who somehow believe that a pissy ass attitude trumps violating citizens' legal rights and a dereliction of your duty as an officer. At some point we will need to wake to realize we need to do something about being afraid to die because the cop does not like our attitude when we assert our legal rights. A big mouth is not the problem.

Of course not and I don't think anyone is saying he was in the right, but a respectful attitude could have nipped the whole thing in the bud. She could have left with a ticket and disputed it in front of a judge, where, you know, she would not have been in danger of physical harm.

[Anonymous]

Lot's of people get pissy with cops when they get pulled over. They don't end up in jail. I even went off on a cop for pulling me over once. I was clearly in the wrong, but I didn't end up in jail over it. Some people just can't deal with the public. He's obviously one of those people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

I saw the clip this morning and this was my first question. WTH??!!????

BECAUSE SHE WAS UNFAIRLY PROFILED AND PULLED OVER! Sorry for the yelling, but it's pretty clear and I've said this before on this thread and been ignored repeatedly. He tailed her closely so that she changed lane to let him get past -- which was both the appropriate thing to do for a cop and generally just considerate driving -- and then he pulled her over for doing so. You don't instigate someone to do something -- by tailing her aggressively -- then ticket them for doing so without your victim being pissed. Absolutely, 100 percent unacceptable and the cop's bosses agree. He behaved appallingly and has been suspended. She should never have been arrested, should never have been in jail and would be alive today if the cop had been doing his job properly and not acting like he was on a power trip.

She had just run a stop sign and knew she was in the wrong. That would explain her behavior.

[Anonymous]

His weak white male ego was bruised, that's why she ended up in jail.

[Anonymous]

Look, under the law, technicalities are important.

1) he did not cite the stop sign when he pulled her over
2) he did not order her to put out the cigarette.

These are important distinctions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: It is abso-frreaking amazing to me that people are putting more onus on the citizen than on the cop. This man issued orders he had NO LEGAL RIGHT TO DO! He has been restricted to desk duty for violations due to this arrest. And we are still hearing from people who somehow believe that a pissy ass attitude trumps violating citizens' legal rights and a dereliction of your duty as an officer. At some point we will need to wake to realize we need to do something about being afraid to die because the cop does not like our attitude when we assert our legal rights. A big mouth is not the problem.

Of course not and I don't think anyone is saying he was in the right, but a respectful attitude could have nipped the whole thing in the bud. She could have left with a ticket and disputed it in front of a judge, where, you know, she would not have been in danger of physical harm.

DA FUG??????
Again I say, when will this crap happen and people say that the bottom line is that officers cannot abuse their authority? Can I harm or kill my kid because they mouth off?
Some of your are so out of line, and ridiculous...until it's your sister or brother...or boyfriend.
NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT THEY WILL SAY THE WRONG(NOT ILLEGAL) THING TO AN OFFICER WHO IS BOUND TO SERVE AND PROTECT AND CARRY OUT THE LAWS OF THE LAND - NOT POLICE MY F**** MANNERS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, under the law, technicalities are important.

1) he did not cite the stop sign when he pulled her over
2) he did not order her to put out the cigarette.

These are important distinctions.

Neither of those things matters. A cop can order you out of your car during a traffic stop. If you resist, struggle, fight, you can get arrested. Maybe the whole thing would have been thrown out by the judge, maybe she would have been charged, then. We'll never know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: It is abso-frreaking amazing to me that people are putting more onus on the citizen than on the cop. This man issued orders he had NO LEGAL RIGHT TO DO! He has been restricted to desk duty for violations due to this arrest. And we are still hearing from people who somehow believe that a pissy ass attitude trumps violating citizens' legal rights and a dereliction of your duty as an officer. At some point we will need to wake to realize we need to do something about being afraid to die because the cop does not like our attitude when we assert our legal rights. A big mouth is not the problem.

Of course not and I don't think anyone is saying he was in the right, but a respectful attitude could have nipped the whole thing in the bud. She could have left with a ticket and disputed it in front of a judge, where, you know, she would not have been in danger of physical harm.

When you say "Yes, but..." the message you're sending is that the private citizen's reactions are more significant than the police officer's actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

I saw the clip this morning and this was my first question. WTH??!!????

BECAUSE SHE WAS UNFAIRLY PROFILED AND PULLED OVER! Sorry for the yelling, but it's pretty clear and I've said this before on this thread and been ignored repeatedly. He tailed her closely so that she changed lane to let him get past -- which was both the appropriate thing to do for a cop and generally just considerate driving -- and then he pulled her over for doing so. You don't instigate someone to do something -- by tailing her aggressively -- then ticket them for doing so without your victim being pissed. Absolutely, 100 percent unacceptable and the cop's bosses agree. He behaved appallingly and has been suspended. She should never have been arrested, should never have been in jail and would be alive today if the cop had been doing his job properly and not acting like he was on a power trip.

She had just run a stop sign and knew she was in the wrong. That would explain her behavior.

Yeah, EXCEPT, that's completely not true. I just watched the video four times to see if there was something I missed. There is no stop sign. She went through a GREEN stop light, but there was no stop sign at all. She was profiled and set up to move over to let the cop car pass. If she had have signaled he would have followed until she did something else wrong.

So let's drop this fictitious "run a stop sign" defense and if you want to continue to insist that she was in the wrong just openly admit that you are a racist and think that black women don't have a right to question authority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, under the law, technicalities are important.

1) he did not cite the stop sign when he pulled her over
2) he did not order her to put out the cigarette.

These are important distinctions.

Neither of those things matters. A cop can order you out of your car during a traffic stop. If you resist, struggle, fight, you can get arrested. Maybe the whole thing would have been thrown out by the judge, maybe she would have been charged, then. We'll never know.

The things a police officer do actually do matter. When a police officer pulls you over during a traffic stop, is it prudent to do whatever the police officer asks, without protest? It might be. Does that mean it's ok for the police officer to ask you to do whatever the police officer feels like asking you to do? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, under the law, technicalities are important.

1) he did not cite the stop sign when he pulled her over
2) he did not order her to put out the cigarette.

These are important distinctions.

And the first one is irrelevant because THERE WAS NO STOP SIGN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

I saw the clip this morning and this was my first question. WTH??!!????

BECAUSE SHE WAS UNFAIRLY PROFILED AND PULLED OVER! Sorry for the yelling, but it's pretty clear and I've said this before on this thread and been ignored repeatedly. He tailed her closely so that she changed lane to let him get past -- which was both the appropriate thing to do for a cop and generally just considerate driving -- and then he pulled her over for doing so. You don't instigate someone to do something -- by tailing her aggressively -- then ticket them for doing so without your victim being pissed. Absolutely, 100 percent unacceptable and the cop's bosses agree. He behaved appallingly and has been suspended. She should never have been arrested, should never have been in jail and would be alive today if the cop had been doing his job properly and not acting like he was on a power trip.

She had just run a stop sign and knew she was in the wrong. That would explain her behavior.

Yeah, EXCEPT, that's completely not true. I just watched the video four times to see if there was something I missed. There is no stop sign. She went through a GREEN stop light, but there was no stop sign at all. She was profiled and set up to move over to let the cop car pass. If she had have signaled he would have followed until she did something else wrong.

So let's drop this fictitious "run a stop sign" defense and if you want to continue to insist that she was in the wrong just openly admit that you are a racist and think that black women don't have a right to question authority.

This is because she switched lanes to let him by??? Wow I didn't realize that. I may not have signaled in that case either and just moved over to let the cop by. I thought he saw her not signal earlier and was following her because of that (which is still pretty lame).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.

I saw the clip this morning and this was my first question. WTH??!!????

BECAUSE SHE WAS UNFAIRLY PROFILED AND PULLED OVER! Sorry for the yelling, but it's pretty clear and I've said this before on this thread and been ignored repeatedly. He tailed her closely so that she changed lane to let him get past -- which was both the appropriate thing to do for a cop and generally just considerate driving -- and then he pulled her over for doing so. You don't instigate someone to do something -- by tailing her aggressively -- then ticket them for doing so without your victim being pissed. Absolutely, 100 percent unacceptable and the cop's bosses agree. He behaved appallingly and has been suspended. She should never have been arrested, should never have been in jail and would be alive today if the cop had been doing his job properly and not acting like he was on a power trip.

She had just run a stop sign and knew she was in the wrong. That would explain her behavior.

Yeah, EXCEPT, that's completely not true. I just watched the video four times to see if there was something I missed. There is no stop sign. She went through a GREEN stop light, but there was no stop sign at all. She was profiled and set up to move over to let the cop car pass. If she had have signaled he would have followed until she did something else wrong.

So let's drop this fictitious "run a stop sign" defense and if you want to continue to insist that she was in the wrong just openly admit that you are a racist and think that black women don't have a right to question authority.

This is because she switched lanes to let him by??? Wow I didn't realize that. I may not have signaled in that case either and just moved over to let the cop by. I thought he saw her not signal earlier and was following her because of that (which is still pretty lame).

Yep. If you watch the beginning of the full video (52 minutes) it's pretty clear, plus when he asks "you seem upset, what's wrong", she tells him she's upset because she moved over to let him pass because he was driving close behind her and then he pulls her over for it. Then he gets pissed because he's been called out on his shitty profiling practices (perhaps he has a quota on the number of people he has to stop?) and asks her if "she'd mind" putting out her cigarette. She says she has a right to smoke in her car, he orders her out of the car, she asks why, he drags her out, she loses her shit (understandably really, even without looking at it in the context of hundreds of years of systemic racism).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people are saying things like: "she had an attitude."

Is it usually best to be polite and cooperative with a police officer -- no matter what they say or do? Yes.

Was the officer extremely inappropriate in his behavior and manufacturing an assault charge out of thin air (I've watched the video, which includes a conversation with a person I presume is a supervisor) -- of course..

Was there a reason to incarcerate her? 100% no.

I just don't understand people who reason "well, he didn't pay his $5 tab at the fast food restaurant, so the off-duty officer had a right to kill him!" or: "She didn't put out her cigarette, so it was okay for him to scream at her, drag her out of the car and almost break her wrist, and she showed 'attitude' so it was okay that he slammed her head into the ground and invented an assault charge to haul her in on."

Agreed. Haven't we all lost our cool at some point/given attitude to someone (even a cop)? Did we deserve to die for it??