Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell

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The thing is, I don't even think he was particularly rude. He was actually quite courteous in the previous traffic stop and up until Sandra started becoming belligerent and mouthy. He was only giving warnings in both cases! No fine, no court date.

I still think it's odd that no one showed up to pay the $500, or even came to the jail to visit. If I was thrown in jail, regardless of the reason, a family member would have been there within hours. The family does not seem to be indigent, and the mother was able to fly down when Sandra died and transport her body back to Illinois, and is now able to pay for a second autopsy. They seem pretty polished and well-dressed. I find it hard to believe they couldn't muster up $500. Sounds fishy.

I think it's pretty rude for a police officer to drag somebody out of the car for being mouthy. Actually I think it's pretty illegal, too, but I am not a lawyer.

And if you think it's fishy that the Sandra Bland was not able to post $500 bail on a Saturday, even though her mother flew down after Sandra Bland DIED, then I really don't know what to say.

People it was $5k and you typically have to provide cash, in person and often can't do it over a weekend.

Yes, bail was $5000. You have to pay a percentage, usually 10%. So $500.

She owed between $2k-$7k in fines, so maybe $500 was beyond her means. And her family was unable or unwilling to pay it.

What fines?

She owed a bunch of fines for previous traffic citations, lack of insurance, etc. and was due to have her license suspended on July 31.

And she has two prior arrests for drugs. She was not some innocent poor thing that tragically KILLED HERSELF.

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The thing is, I don't even think he was particularly rude. He was actually quite courteous in the previous traffic stop and up until Sandra started becoming belligerent and mouthy. He was only giving warnings in both cases! No fine, no court date.

I still think it's odd that no one showed up to pay the $500, or even came to the jail to visit. If I was thrown in jail, regardless of the reason, a family member would have been there within hours. The family does not seem to be indigent, and the mother was able to fly down when Sandra died and transport her body back to Illinois, and is now able to pay for a second autopsy. They seem pretty polished and well-dressed. I find it hard to believe they couldn't muster up $500. Sounds fishy.

I think it's pretty rude for a police officer to drag somebody out of the car for being mouthy. Actually I think it's pretty illegal, too, but I am not a lawyer.

And if you think it's fishy that the Sandra Bland was not able to post $500 bail on a Saturday, even though her mother flew down after Sandra Bland DIED, then I really don't know what to say.

People it was $5k and you typically have to provide cash, in person and often can't do it over a weekend.

Yes, bail was $5000. You have to pay a percentage, usually 10%. So $500.

She owed between $2k-$7k in fines, so maybe $500 was beyond her means. And her family was unable or unwilling to pay it.

What fines?

She owed a bunch of fines for previous traffic citations, lack of insurance, etc. and was due to have her license suspended on July 31.

What jurisdiction would Texas have over her Illinois drivers license?

Some states have reciprocol agreements. You cant hide from your legal resonsiblities.

[Anonymous]

Texas is a racist sink hole, maybe except Austin. I am sure she would not be dead if she was a white woman.

Pisses me off.

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The thing is, I don't even think he was particularly rude. He was actually quite courteous in the previous traffic stop and up until Sandra started becoming belligerent and mouthy. He was only giving warnings in both cases! No fine, no court date.

I still think it's odd that no one showed up to pay the $500, or even came to the jail to visit. If I was thrown in jail, regardless of the reason, a family member would have been there within hours. The family does not seem to be indigent, and the mother was able to fly down when Sandra died and transport her body back to Illinois, and is now able to pay for a second autopsy. They seem pretty polished and well-dressed. I find it hard to believe they couldn't muster up $500. Sounds fishy.

I think it's pretty rude for a police officer to drag somebody out of the car for being mouthy. Actually I think it's pretty illegal, too, but I am not a lawyer.

And if you think it's fishy that the Sandra Bland was not able to post $500 bail on a Saturday, even though her mother flew down after Sandra Bland DIED, then I really don't know what to say.

People it was $5k and you typically have to provide cash, in person and often can't do it over a weekend.

Yes, bail was $5000. You have to pay a percentage, usually 10%. So $500.

She owed between $2k-$7k in fines, so maybe $500 was beyond her means. And her family was unable or unwilling to pay it.

What fines?

She owed a bunch of fines for previous traffic citations, lack of insurance, etc. and was due to have her license suspended on July 31.

And she has two prior arrests for drugs. She was not some innocent poor thing that tragically KILLED HERSELF.

But does that make how she was treated okay??

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I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas is a racist sink hole, maybe except Austin. I am sure she would not be dead if she was a white woman.

Pisses me off.

Why? White people don't kill themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

I've had friends in their early to mid 20s, in a hole, angry and self-destructive. Some of them made it and are wiser, camera, saner adults. Others didn't make it, drugs, suicide.

I do think the cop ran her plates and had it in for her. Maybe, if she had been calm, quiet, respectful, and/or white, she might not have been arrested. But maybe it wouldn't have changed anything.

If her parents were tired of bailing her out of jail, I can only imagine how they feel now. But mental illness is not something they could fix.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

I've had friends in their early to mid 20s, in a hole, angry and self-destructive. Some of them made it and are wiser, camera, saner adults. Others didn't make it, drugs, suicide.

I do think the cop ran her plates and had it in for her. Maybe, if she had been calm, quiet, respectful, and/or white, she might not have been arrested. But maybe it wouldn't have changed anything.

If her parents were tired of bailing her out of jail, I can only imagine how they feel now. But mental illness is not something they could fix.

He would not have been privvy to her past infractions. I can't remember where I read that, but it wouldn't have popped up in the system. He was only going to give her a warning, and he could have gotten her on the mote serious stop sign infraction, but he didn't, so it does not seem like he "had it in for her."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

Generally, smokers use cigarettes to calm their nerves, so that's probably why she wanted to continue smoking. To calm herself. I found this very interesting article. http://www.salon.com/2015/07/25/texas_trooper_had_no_right_to_ask_sandra_bland_to_put_out_her_cigarette_partner/

The policeman in case was just wrong. Ms. Bland was a victim of policeman out of control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Texas is a racist sink hole, maybe except Austin. I am sure she would not be dead if she was a white woman.

Pisses me off.

What a bigot you are!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

Generally, smokers use cigarettes to calm their nerves, so that's probably why she wanted to continue smoking. To calm herself. I found this very interesting article. http://www.salon.com/2015/07/25/texas_trooper_had_no_right_to_ask_sandra_bland_to_put_out_her_cigarette_partner/

The policeman in case was just wrong. Ms. Bland was a victim of policeman out of control.

If you watched the whole video you would know that last statement was BS. The officer made mistakes...no doubt about it...had his moments where his control should have been better...but she was the one who was out of control.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone questioned whether this "activist" was trying to get thrown in jail? If she was mentally unstable (and face it, you have to be to commit suicide), she may have wanted to make a statement or become infamous as the next AA "killed" by racists cops. Sounds wacky but not out if the realm of possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone questioned whether this "activist" was trying to get thrown in jail? If she was mentally unstable (and face it, you have to be to commit suicide), she may have wanted to make a statement or become infamous as the next AA "killed" by racists cops. Sounds wacky but not out if the realm of possibility.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

She had a legal right to continue smoking.

He had no legal authority to remove her from the car. None.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around her actions.

I've been pulled over for having a tail light out, etc. You stop, you put your hands where they can be seen. When the officer comes to your window you give them your license and registration, and proof of insurance if they want it. You can ask why they stopped you.

With that, normally they will go run info and send you on your way with a mechanical ticket to get the light fixed, or if you violated a traffic law, a ticket.

During the stop is not the time to argue with the police, it is not the time to question why you were stopped. You can question the validity of the traffic stop, or the traffic law in question at your court date. Sit quietly, let them say their mumbo jumbo and take your ticket and deal with it later. If you feel the officer didn't respect you then drive to the police station afterwards and ask to file a complaint.

And I don't smoke, but I can't even begin to imagine someone continuing to smoke, or lighting up when a police officer has stopped you. That's just plain rudeness. Someone with half a brain would either put the cigarette out immediately before the officer comes to your window, or when they approach they would say please let me extinguish my cigarette if that is ok with you.

If the women had just answered the questions, followed directions, she would never have gone to jail.

I agree 100%.

I have gotten tickets that were bogus in my opinion...and yes I questioned em...was a little more hotheadedly verbal when in my 20's. But the bottom line was they were the ones with the guns and had the authority. I waited to my day in court to challenge. And if I was of a mind to voice my opinion...I waited to find out whether I was getting a ticket or a warning.