The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills ~ New Season

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't help but wonder if anyone hating on Kyle has a sister and, in particular, a sister with an alcohol problem. I have experience with both. Kyle's behavior seems like the behavior of a sober sibling who has been dealing with her sister's alcoholism for years. Kyle looked like she was panicking to me. She whispered very softly to Kim in the bathroom and, remember, Kim followed her. Kyle was trying to be protective. Things seemed fine then suddenly Kim is leaving but not before she makes a sarcastic "Thanks, Kyle" jab at Kyle. I see why Kyle was confused and wanted to see why Kim was suddenly pissed at her. I have had my sister that gets nasty when she drinks do that to me. One minute she's nice then suddenly she's nasty as can be. Those of you who are picking on Kyle and siding with Brandy, I would love to know how you would deal with your sibling getting drunk and calling you at 2 am. I have gotten that phone call on more than one occasion. Or, go to a party where your sibling is clearly on something and acting inappropriately. If you think you wouldn't feel embarrassed for your sister and yourself, you are crazy. You also feel protective and desperately want to make sure they'll be okay but you are also pissed that they did this again. What I saw from Kyle was panic--a panic I know well. Brandy was throwing gas on a fire and she needs rehab badly.

Brandy is full of sh** when she says she has Kim's back. She enables Kim and Kim enables her. I have two sisters with drinking problems--they cover for one another and enable each other's drinking. If you surround yourself with other active alcoholics you can convince yourself your not that bad. I would be genuinely surprised if they had not been drunk around their children at times. Not because I think they are horrible mothers but that is what the disease of alcoholism does. It hijacks your brain and you make stupid decisions, lie to yourself, and lie to others.

Brandy clearly has a drinking problem. I think she likes hanging out with Kim because she can feel like--well, at least I'm not that bad. It is Brandy who brought up the 2 am phone call, not Kyle. Brandy who wanted to put a spotlight on Kim's apparent fall from sobriety--not Kyle.

Lisa R. said that she her husband watched his 2 brothers die of alcoholism within six months of each other. I think that is why she spoke up about the fact that there was "addiction going on here and no one wants to talk about it." I appreciate that she is willing to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

As for Eileen telling Brandy that she didn't appreciate her comments, good for Eileen. The only way people like Brandy change is when people stop putting up with their sh**. I know hang up on my drunk dialer of a sister. She is not allowed to get drunk around me or my kids. If we are having a conversation and she gets nasty, I walk away. Our relationship has improved and she is finally getting help. She has even asked me to help her find help. Putting up with bad behavior from adults is no different than letting kids behave badly with no consequence. It rewards the bad behavior. Brandy should stop being defensive and grow up. She still acts like a rebellious, spoiled, adolescent.

gosh i wish i knew you in real life. just recently (within the last year) dealing w/this issue w/my sister and its tough. we are/were very close and watching kyle/kim go thru this is heartbreaking. i don't know if i truly believe kyle just puts on a front for cameras because as you know it can get so very tiring dealing w/this that sometimes you act like you don't care and back off and others you feel like you need to try and control them. so, so heartbreaking. and oh yeah kyle has a family and day to day life of her own to live. so that's something to consider too, that she might now have time to drop everything and run every time something dramatic and crazy is happening w/her sister. i'm sure that wasn't not kim's first hospital visit.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Kim was in rehab and not "the hospital"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's impossible to know if what you saw actually followed the true sequence of events. They edit the heck out of these shows and trust me, they want to make it look as controversial as possible.

I agree. Really hard to figure out and there's probably more to the story.

[Anonymous]

Brandi sucks and is most likely the problem child in her own family so has no idea what it's been like for Kyle to have to deal with Kims problems for so many years. I fully believe Brandi called Kyle at 2 am with a Kim problem and Kyle blew it off because sometimes you get so sick of dealing with their neverending shit that when another 2 am call rolls around you say "fuck it, I'm not dealing with this right now."

Anyone who has a family member with addiction issues could actually FEEL Kyle's panic at that table. She was trying to act normal but I know that feeling in her stomach that something is not right and oh no she was doing so good and now this again and what happened and why? And Brandi was there being a drunk ass and egging it all on so she could be Kim's "savior." She has no idea what it's like to actually have to be that person and never be able to escape it and to want to not care but to also know that you will always care. She's the Kim of her own family, I'm sure of it. The one who everybody knows is a mess and has to contend with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't help but wonder if anyone hating on Kyle has a sister and, in particular, a sister with an alcohol problem. I have experience with both. Kyle's behavior seems like the behavior of a sober sibling who has been dealing with her sister's alcoholism for years. Kyle looked like she was panicking to me. She whispered very softly to Kim in the bathroom and, remember, Kim followed her. Kyle was trying to be protective. Things seemed fine then suddenly Kim is leaving but not before she makes a sarcastic "Thanks, Kyle" jab at Kyle. I see why Kyle was confused and wanted to see why Kim was suddenly pissed at her. I have had my sister that gets nasty when she drinks do that to me. One minute she's nice then suddenly she's nasty as can be. Those of you who are picking on Kyle and siding with Brandy, I would love to know how you would deal with your sibling getting drunk and calling you at 2 am. I have gotten that phone call on more than one occasion. Or, go to a party where your sibling is clearly on something and acting inappropriately. If you think you wouldn't feel embarrassed for your sister and yourself, you are crazy. You also feel protective and desperately want to make sure they'll be okay but you are also pissed that they did this again. What I saw from Kyle was panic--a panic I know well. Brandy was throwing gas on a fire and she needs rehab badly.

Brandy is full of sh** when she says she has Kim's back. She enables Kim and Kim enables her. I have two sisters with drinking problems--they cover for one another and enable each other's drinking. If you surround yourself with other active alcoholics you can convince yourself your not that bad. I would be genuinely surprised if they had not been drunk around their children at times. Not because I think they are horrible mothers but that is what the disease of alcoholism does. It hijacks your brain and you make stupid decisions, lie to yourself, and lie to others.

Brandy clearly has a drinking problem. I think she likes hanging out with Kim because she can feel like--well, at least I'm not that bad. It is Brandy who brought up the 2 am phone call, not Kyle. Brandy who wanted to put a spotlight on Kim's apparent fall from sobriety--not Kyle.

Lisa R. said that she her husband watched his 2 brothers die of alcoholism within six months of each other. I think that is why she spoke up about the fact that there was "addiction going on here and no one wants to talk about it." I appreciate that she is willing to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

As for Eileen telling Brandy that she didn't appreciate her comments, good for Eileen. The only way people like Brandy change is when people stop putting up with their sh**. I know hang up on my drunk dialer of a sister. She is not allowed to get drunk around me or my kids. If we are having a conversation and she gets nasty, I walk away. Our relationship has improved and she is finally getting help. She has even asked me to help her find help. Putting up with bad behavior from adults is no different than letting kids behave badly with no consequence. It rewards the bad behavior. Brandy should stop being defensive and grow up. She still acts like a rebellious, spoiled, adolescent.

gosh i wish i knew you in real life. just recently (within the last year) dealing w/this issue w/my sister and its tough. we are/were very close and watching kyle/kim go thru this is heartbreaking. i don't know if i truly believe kyle just puts on a front for cameras because as you know it can get so very tiring dealing w/this that sometimes you act like you don't care and back off and others you feel like you need to try and control them. so, so heartbreaking. and oh yeah kyle has a family and day to day life of her own to live. so that's something to consider too, that she might now have time to drop everything and run every time something dramatic and crazy is happening w/her sister. i'm sure that wasn't not kim's first hospital visit.

Yes, I agree. Wish I knew you too. I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten a phone call from my sister or her husband or her best friend or her nightmare of a mother-in-law where I am being told of her drinking. Texts, emails, etc. of a problem I can't control. It took a toll on me and distracted me from caring for my own young children. I get that it is a disease and it needs to be treated as such but boy does it take it's toll on family members. I have more than one sibling affected by this disease and they have said to me when sober, "you just don't know how hard this is. You don't have to deal with being an alcoholic." I replied, "you're right, but you don't know how hard it is to be the sober sibling. To call your elderly parents, who drove 45 minutes to meet your sister for brunch and have been sitting in a restaurant for over an hour, and tell them that you sister is late because she has been drinking all morning. Or to realize that your sisters were secretly drinking while they stayed at your house and you were worried because they were sleeping so much. Or to have school plays and functions, vacations, Halloween, your kid's sports games, etc. be interrupted with panicked texts or phone calls from people telling you you have to take care of your sister." It's relentless. I finally opened up about what was going on to a couple of close friends, my doctor, and minister. My sister wasn't happy but she lives out of state and I feel that when you drink and affect my life, you don't get to tell me how I deal with it. At some point it hit me--I deserve to live my life and enjoy it. Someday it will end and I want to be happy and enjoy my family. I don't think that makes me a bad person. I really felt for Kyle because I could so relate to her in that situation. I think Lisa R. Could as well which is why she acknowledged the elephant in the room in the limo tide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brandi sucks and is most likely the problem child in her own family so has no idea what it's been like for Kyle to have to deal with Kims problems for so many years. I fully believe Brandi called Kyle at 2 am with a Kim problem and Kyle blew it off because sometimes you get so sick of dealing with their neverending shit that when another 2 am call rolls around you say "fuck it, I'm not dealing with this right now."

Anyone who has a family member with addiction issues could actually FEEL Kyle's panic at that table. She was trying to act normal but I know that feeling in her stomach that something is not right and oh no she was doing so good and now this again and what happened and why? And Brandi was there being a drunk ass and egging it all on so she could be Kim's "savior." She has no idea what it's like to actually have to be that person and never be able to escape it and to want to not care but to also know that you will always care. She's the Kim of her own family, I'm sure of it. The one who everybody knows is a mess and has to contend with.

I so agree with you about Brandi. She reminds me of my sister who has a drinking problem but, fortunately, except for some cussing, is no where near as inappropriate as Brandi. My sister is finally growing up because people stopped putting up with her crap. I used to put up with her complaining, her rants, her insults, her poor me I'm the victim crap to keep the peace. Then one day I couldn't do it any more. I realized that I deserved better and I calmly and firmly set up boundaries. When she called crying at 1 am and then insulted me, I said, I'm not doing this. You cannot treat me this way. I'm hanging up now." When she blamed all her poor choices on on other people (Brandi does this), I told her to grow up and accept some responsibility for her life. In the end, she stopped calling me drunk and late at night. She is finally being respectful to me and starting to grow up at the age of 50. I feel bad that Kim and Brandi are a mess and clearly in a lot of internal pain, but they are the only ones who can make themselves better.

[Anonymous]

Brandi was a complete asshole on last night's episode. That's all!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brandi was a complete asshole on last night's episode. That's all!

You don't Kyle was out of line either? Why did she choose to cause a scene at her own event?

[Anonymous]

I don't know necessarily think that Brandi has Borderline Personality Disorder (though she might), but she has some traits in common with people who have that diagnosis.
It seems that she's carrying so much chaos and negative energy within her, but isn't conscious of it; instead, she projects it on everyone else. This causes even normally even-keeled people to have strong reactions to her, of anger, insecurity, defensiveness, etc - and then Brandi can point the finger at them without recognizing that she's the one bringing the craziness to the room. She knows just how to push buttons, it's an innate ability in people with BPD.

I'm a normally even-keeled person but when I feel like tearing up a room it's a sign that I'm dealing with someone who has BPD. I just think that Brandi is a toxic person. Unless it's all an act for the show, that's always a possibility - it pays the bills.

[Anonymous]

last night Brandi was awful. Kyle came up to apoligize after Brandi showed up uninvited. And Kim is definitely on something. She couldn't even remember speaking to Kyle the day before? She is just a total whack job on top of being an addict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brandi was a complete asshole on last night's episode. That's all!

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:last night Brandi was awful. Kyle came up to apoligize after Brandi showed up uninvited. And Kim is definitely on something. She couldn't even remember speaking to Kyle the day before? She is just a total whack job on top of being an addict.

Kim brought Brandi. She said that several times during the episode.
It was a half assed apology from Kyle. Come on. If someone came up to you and said "I'm sorry for doing xyz, but...." And laid into you for doing abcd and e wrong, you'd call that an apology? Riiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:last night Brandi was awful. Kyle came up to apoligize after Brandi showed up uninvited. And Kim is definitely on something. She couldn't even remember speaking to Kyle the day before? She is just a total whack job on top of being an addict.

Kim brought Brandi. She said that several times during the episode.
It was a half assed apology from Kyle. Come on. If someone came up to you and said "I'm sorry for doing xyz, but...." And laid into you for doing abcd and e wrong, you'd call that an apology? Riiiiiight.

Is this Brandi? You have been all over this thread and you seem to have serious issues with Kyle while excusing every nasty thing Brandi does. Brandi deserved every word Kyle told her, and more. I was so glad to see someone call her on her shit, finally, to her face. How she has backstabbed everyone and the one thing they had in common was choosing to trust Brandi.

[Anonymous]

Kyle's the one who behaved badly last night. Brandi was trying to be good -- it was obvious. Kyle pushed the whole thing over the edge.

And no, I'm not Brandi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kyle's the one who behaved badly last night. Brandi was trying to be good -- it was obvious. Kyle pushed the whole thing over the edge.

And no, I'm not Brandi.

Well, I must have watched a different episode.

To me, it looked like Brandi being her usual nasty self.