Official Ebola update thread

[Anonymous]

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MarleySkye840 wrote:Stop blaming this nurse! I cannot believe the people on here even suggesting that she doesn't deserve treatment and even that she should apologize? There are many angles to this story and we are not privy to all facts and information. The way that many of you are so quick to condemn people is crazy.

If she violated CDC protocol, not to fly on a commercial airline, she may have opened herself up to civil or criminal liability.

Can we sue every person who comes from West Africa and brings Ebola? Maybe the nurse should sue Mr Duncan's family. He should never have gotten on the plane here.

Sue them for what? You think they're sitting on piles of money? Think!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MarleySkye840 wrote:Stop blaming this nurse! I cannot believe the people on here even suggesting that she doesn't deserve treatment and even that she should apologize? There are many angles to this story and we are not privy to all facts and information. The way that many of you are so quick to condemn people is crazy.

If she violated CDC protocol, not to fly on a commercial airline, she may have opened herself up to civil or criminal liability.

Can we sue every person who comes from West Africa and brings Ebola? Maybe the nurse should sue Mr Duncan's family. He should never have gotten on the plane here.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

MarleySkye840 wrote:Stop blaming this nurse! I cannot believe the people on here even suggesting that she doesn't deserve treatment and even that she should apologize? There are many angles to this story and we are not privy to all facts and information. The way that many of you are so quick to condemn people is crazy.

If she violated CDC protocol, not to fly on a commercial airline, she may have opened herself up to civil or criminal liability.

Can we sue every person who comes from West Africa and brings Ebola? Maybe the nurse should sue Mr Duncan's family. He should never have gotten on the plane here.

Sue them for what? You think they're sitting on piles of money? Think!

Well obviously. But I was just pointing out how stupid it is for people to think this nurse should face charges. it is not her fault. Blame Mr. Duncan and Obama

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

+1000. Travel restrictions and quarantines!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

Wow I elect y oi to run the CDC! I'm serious why the fuck can't our leaders think of this simple shit to protect its citizens. Baffling!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

The bolded doesn't fit with so many things I've seen, such as the fact that this nurse had a fever in the 99's for several hours before she got on the plane, and still wasn't vomiting/bleeding when she got off the plane hours after her CDC call. Or the fact that Duncan walked out of the hospital and got himself home with his antibiotics, and then only returned after his condition worsened over a matter of days. Or the fact that Brantley and the other doctors were talking and participating in their own medical care before going rapidly downhill.

It definitely sounds like this virus develops symptoms over time.

[Anonymous]

She told them she had a fever and they said she could fly?!? I'm switching to the freaking out camp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

The bolded doesn't fit with so many things I've seen, such as the fact that this nurse had a fever in the 99's for several hours before she got on the plane, and still wasn't vomiting/bleeding when she got off the plane hours after her CDC call. Or the fact that Duncan walked out of the hospital and got himself home with his antibiotics, and then only returned after his condition worsened over a matter of days. Or the fact that Brantley and the other doctors were talking and participating in their own medical care before going rapidly downhill.

It definitely sounds like this virus develops symptoms over time.

Yes. That is what I am saying...it's low-grade fever where they feel good enough to be out and about spreading this shit...and then BAM--feeling sick enough to be rushed to an ER.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.


PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF??? [/quote


The bolded doesn't fit with so many things I've seen, such as the fact that this nurse had a fever in the 99's for several hours before she got on the plane, and still wasn't vomiting/bleeding when she got off the plane hours after her CDC call. Or the fact that Duncan walked out of the hospital and got himself home with his antibiotics, and then only returned after his condition worsened over a matter of days. Or the fact that Brantley and the other doctors were talking and participating in their own medical care before going rapidly downhill.


It definitely sounds like this virus develops symptoms over time.

This is true. Days 1-3 are the early stages with flu like symptoms. Days 4-7 are vomiting, diarrhea, etc. Days 7-10 are bleeding, organ failure, coma and death. Maybe they aren't moving the first nurse because she is already too sick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.

PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF???

Wow I elect y oi to run the CDC! I'm serious why the fuck can't our leaders think of this simple shit to protect its citizens. Baffling!

I work for another government agency. I'm have worked both with FDA and NIH in the past. That is why I GET this shit show. I also know CDC is told what they can say to the press. They have to hide shit. They can't say how bad it is if Admin doesn't want that word out. They don't want to lose their jobs...the good people eventually can't take the Bureaucracy. It takes way too long to get approval to do what needs to be done!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never, EVER in my life did I think I would agree with John Boehner about anything ever, but yes to this assertion:

"A temporary ban on travel to the United States from countries afflicted with the virus is something that the president should absolutely consider along with any other appropriate actions as doubts about the security of our air travel systems grow".

Obama keeps saying that a pandemic is inevitable if we don't treat people in West Africa and, yes, we absolutely need to address the illness over there. But why the HELL are we also not keeping out travelers who've been in affected areas without instituting a quarantine. What the hell is the CDC thinking ????

I really can't understand why you are panicking now about someone from West Africa, when this nurse traveled from Texas. Huh?

Let me spell it out for you, oh dense one.

Nurse caught Ebola from a man, Thomas Duncan, who had just traveled to Liberia and who, while in Liberia, had contact with an extremely ill woman who eventually died of Ebola. He came to the US and then infected two nurses while being treated in the hospital.

Thomas Duncan was just one person, but thus far we know he was "patient 0" for at least two other cases of Ebola (and possibly more will emerge in the next few days). So, if we limit travel for those coming from affected areas, we may be able to prevent other Thomas Duncans from exposing other people to the disease.

Now, oh dense one, you may say, "Well, it's the hospital that failed. It was failed protocols. The CDC is doing a horrible job" And I agree with all of that. But given that just three cases in the last two weeks have revealed that our healthcare infrastructure and national leadership is totally and completely unprepared to handle Ebola, let's not further burden the system.

Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

Here's the thing---you don't go from being contagious exactly at point A. There is a lead up to when the fever first spikes when you are contagious...as there is with every single other virus with fever as a symptom. Once it hits with Ebola--it hits full on which means if you aren't quarantined--you are out running your daily errands, hopping flights, etc. WTF???!!!! I have a graduate Degree in Virology. I have worked with doctors that worked in the Congo with Ebola. I am baffled by how the US is letting this take ground here. We are already so many steps behind.


PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO SELF-MONITOR. TO NOT GET ON FLIGHTS. TO NOT GO OUT IN PUBLIC. EVEN THE BROADCASTER BROKE HER QUARATINE. People can't even be trusted to take their temp twice a day. WTF? Are we really going to be able to monitor all of the potential victims. No- of course not. Non-essential flights from W.Africa should have been banned months ago. A Huge presence shoudl have been down there fighting it on its turf in the Hot Zone and contained it DOWN there. THe hospital staff that had intimitate contact with DUNCAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON QUARATINE AND NOT ALLOWED OUT IN PUBLIC. WTF??? [/quote


The bolded doesn't fit with so many things I've seen, such as the fact that this nurse had a fever in the 99's for several hours before she got on the plane, and still wasn't vomiting/bleeding when she got off the plane hours after her CDC call. Or the fact that Duncan walked out of the hospital and got himself home with his antibiotics, and then only returned after his condition worsened over a matter of days. Or the fact that Brantley and the other doctors were talking and participating in their own medical care before going rapidly downhill.


It definitely sounds like this virus develops symptoms over time.

This is true. Days 1-3 are the early stages with flu like symptoms. Days 4-7 are vomiting, diarrhea, etc. Days 7-10 are bleeding, organ failure, coma and death. Maybe they aren't moving the first nurse because she is already too sick

The first nurse seems to be doing well, knock on wood. The second nurse is being flown to Emory because the nurses at Presby have threatened a walk-out if they have to treat another Ebola patient. I've also seen reports that the second nurse is much sicker than the first nurse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Think she deserves some of the good samaritan's blood? (if she's the same blood type?)

Of course! We don't deny life saving treatment because we think someone made a poor choice esp. Since the CDC didn't tell her to not travel when she called to report a fever.

Of course she deserves it if she's a match. I hope that at some point she will apologize for her poor choices, but you know what -- CDC effed up by not telling her to stay put and also if it pushed her off when she called with a fever and Tx Presby messed up with its general lack of preparedness, equipment, and help or support for these nurses. But for the CDC and Tx Presby, she may not even be in this situation at all.

If we had closed our borders and did not let Duncan in these two hospital workers would not have Ebola. Lesson learned. I blame the CDC for down playing the risk of Ebola to the US.

I'm the PP you quoted just above you -- I agree. It is entirely the fault of the CDC and the federal gov't for not cutting off flights from West Africa because of their belief that this kind of thing won't be a problem in the US because we are light years ahead of West Africa in terms of healthcare and hygiene. Have our elected officials never been to a "regular" hospital -- you know the place you take your kid on a weekend when they have strep throat and can't wait for the ped's office on Monday? They aren't all like Emory or Hopkins or UCSF in terms of their competence or equipment, yet somehow they are all deemed light years ahead of West Africa simply bc they are in the U.S. Morons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never, EVER in my life did I think I would agree with John Boehner about anything ever, but yes to this assertion:

"A temporary ban on travel to the United States from countries afflicted with the virus is something that the president should absolutely consider along with any other appropriate actions as doubts about the security of our air travel systems grow".

Obama keeps saying that a pandemic is inevitable if we don't treat people in West Africa and, yes, we absolutely need to address the illness over there. But why the HELL are we also not keeping out travelers who've been in affected areas without instituting a quarantine. What the hell is the CDC thinking ????

I really can't understand why you are panicking now about someone from West Africa, when this nurse traveled from Texas. Huh?

Let me spell it out for you, oh dense one.

Nurse caught Ebola from a man, Thomas Duncan, who had just traveled to Liberia and who, while in Liberia, had contact with an extremely ill woman who eventually died of Ebola. He came to the US and then infected two nurses while being treated in the hospital.

Thomas Duncan was just one person, but thus far we know he was "patient 0" for at least two other cases of Ebola (and possibly more will emerge in the next few days). So, if we limit travel for those coming from affected areas, we may be able to prevent other Thomas Duncans from exposing other people to the disease.

Now, oh dense one, you may say, "Well, it's the hospital that failed. It was failed protocols. The CDC is doing a horrible job" And I agree with all of that. But given that just three cases in the last two weeks have revealed that our healthcare infrastructure and national leadership is totally and completely unprepared to handle Ebola, let's not further burden the system.

Got it?

Okay, o wise one. I still don't it. No other person traveling from West Africa has had Ebola or any symptons.

At this point, it seems like the proper line of panic would be limiting travel within the US. But I guess not.