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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can be good at math and not ready for accelerated math and AAP.

Most school districts set their G&T programs at kids in the 90th percentile, the posters child would not qualify at many programs across the country.

The child is smart but that doesn’t mean the meet the criteria for AAP.

That's not what the local committee decided when they checked that box! But you know better of course..

I am surprised that they checked the box. The poster said their kids winter MAP was in the 87th percentile, which was a significant improvement. So the Fall MAP score was lower. The kid has 3s on their report card, not a 3 but plural. The test score and grades reported by the parents don’t make me think AAP. That is why I asked if it was a Title 1 school. Those schools are expected to have kids with really good test scores but not the higher scores that are found at MC and UMC schools. That is where the majority of kids who scored below 132 in the past came from, Title 1 and near Title 1 schools. If this child is at a Title 1 school then the HOPE ratings make more sense.

Prior to this year, 15% percent of 7th graders took A1H, meaning at least 15% of 6th graders taking the IAAT scored at least in the 91st percentile. The percentage is higher because there are a good number of kids who meet the old criteria and choose to take Math 7H. The tests needed to accelerate in math in FCPS tend to be high, like 91st percentile and higher. So no, I don’t know why a teacher would check that box when there is a kid who is in the 87th percentile on the MAP.

[Anonymous]

Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

[Anonymous]

Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438
MATH - parial AAP currently in 2nd grade
I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?


Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?
Should I have my son appeal with WISC V GMU new score and new 5 samples? or Do I also talk to principal or class teacher before I do anything
Are they going to change HOPE SCORE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438
MATH - parial AAP currently in 2nd grade
I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?


Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?
Should I have my son appeal with WISC V GMU new score and new 5 samples? or Do I also talk to principal or class teacher before I do anything
Are they going to change HOPE SCORE?

All nevers except 1? Oh gosh I’m sorry. Yeah I would definitely take the WISC V at that point. You need an unbiased data point and the proctor at GMU should be unbiased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438
MATH - parial AAP currently in 2nd grade
I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?


Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?
Should I have my son appeal with WISC V GMU new score and new 5 samples? or Do I also talk to principal or class teacher before I do anything
Are they going to change HOPE SCORE?

All nevers except 1? Oh gosh I’m sorry. Yeah I would definitely take the WISC V at that point. You need an unbiased data point and the proctor at GMU should be unbiased.

Agree. WISC and samples. He has a good MAP, so perhaps focus on writing and verbal in the samples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does the section under the HOPE rating - "Please indicate all content areas where the students show ....." imply? Do full time AAP eligible students usually have checks against the boxes next to the subjects (Math, Writing, Reading,...) ? Do these boxes indicate subject level AAP recommendations?

DD has boxes checked for math, writing, reading, science, and social studies, and the comment underneath noted that she made significant growth on her winter MAP math assessment (she's in the 87th percentile).

She gets 4s and some 3s on her report cards.

what was her fall MAP? 87% is good but not AAP good. and it’s a significant improvement from fall i don’t know that the committee will think she needs advanced math. typically 90% or higher is needed and consistently when tested. in higher SES schools 95-99% are needed. 99% kids sometimes don’t get in. 87% is above average but not necessarily advanced

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does the section under the HOPE rating - "Please indicate all content areas where the students show ....." imply? Do full time AAP eligible students usually have checks against the boxes next to the subjects (Math, Writing, Reading,...) ? Do these boxes indicate subject level AAP recommendations?

DD has boxes checked for math, writing, reading, science, and social studies, and the comment underneath noted that she made significant growth on her winter MAP math assessment (she's in the 87th percentile).

She gets 4s and some 3s on her report cards.

The 87th percentile on the MAP is not a kid who should have the math box checked unless they are at a Title 1 school. That is a good overall score but a low score for even Advanced Math, never mind AAP. Toss in 3's on the report card and that is not a kid who I would think would be accepted into AAP.

There have to be kids in AAP who are below the 99th percentile and get some 3s on their report cards.

There are kids below the 99th percentile. We know that. How many are at the 87th percentile? Maybe some at lower SES schools but not too many at higher SES schools. The cut off for AAP in-pool used to be a county wide 132, that was at the low end of the 99th percentile and that was the cut off.

There is nothing wrong with a score in the 87th percentile, it is a strong score. It is not a score that I would expect for the vast majority of kids in AAP. I would expect kids to be in the 95th percentile or higher on the iReady or MAP or other standardized test scores.

Until 2 years ago You needed a 91st percentile on the IAAT to get into Algebra in 7th grade. The reality is that there are more then enough kids in FCPS with MAP scores and iReady scores and other test scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher that a student scoring in the 87th percentile is less likely to make their way into AAP based on that test score.

The posters child is good at math. The test score is not one that most people who know AAP would say would get them into AAP. I am not sure why the Teacher would mark the kid the way that they did with that score unless they are at a Title 1 or near Title 1 school what has far fewer kids in the 95th percentile or above.

We are not at a Title 1 school. Her teachers and AART have said consistently that she excels at math and we see that at home too. We have noticed this year that she struggles to understand the computerized tests and when they give her a paper copy and then ask her to input it into the computer, she makes errors in entering it online that she completed correctly on paper. I had a discussion with her teacher and the assistant principal about instruction in how to do the test on the computer, which they were apparently not teaching at the beginning of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can be good at math and not ready for accelerated math and AAP.

Most school districts set their G&T programs at kids in the 90th percentile, the posters child would not qualify at many programs across the country.

The child is smart but that doesn’t mean the meet the criteria for AAP.

That's not what the local committee decided when they checked that box! But you know better of course..

I am surprised that they checked the box. The poster said their kids winter MAP was in the 87th percentile, which was a significant improvement. So the Fall MAP score was lower. The kid has 3s on their report card, not a 3 but plural. The test score and grades reported by the parents don’t make me think AAP. That is why I asked if it was a Title 1 school. Those schools are expected to have kids with really good test scores but not the higher scores that are found at MC and UMC schools. That is where the majority of kids who scored below 132 in the past came from, Title 1 and near Title 1 schools. If this child is at a Title 1 school then the HOPE ratings make more sense.

Prior to this year, 15% percent of 7th graders took A1H, meaning at least 15% of 6th graders taking the IAAT scored at least in the 91st percentile. The percentage is higher because there are a good number of kids who meet the old criteria and choose to take Math 7H. The tests needed to accelerate in math in FCPS tend to be high, like 91st percentile and higher. So no, I don’t know why a teacher would check that box when there is a kid who is in the 87th percentile on the MAP.

You sound extra out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does the section under the HOPE rating - "Please indicate all content areas where the students show ....." imply? Do full time AAP eligible students usually have checks against the boxes next to the subjects (Math, Writing, Reading,...) ? Do these boxes indicate subject level AAP recommendations?

DD has boxes checked for math, writing, reading, science, and social studies, and the comment underneath noted that she made significant growth on her winter MAP math assessment (she's in the 87th percentile).

She gets 4s and some 3s on her report cards.

The 87th percentile on the MAP is not a kid who should have the math box checked unless they are at a Title 1 school. That is a good overall score but a low score for even Advanced Math, never mind AAP. Toss in 3's on the report card and that is not a kid who I would think would be accepted into AAP.

There have to be kids in AAP who are below the 99th percentile and get some 3s on their report cards.

There are kids below the 99th percentile. We know that. How many are at the 87th percentile? Maybe some at lower SES schools but not too many at higher SES schools. The cut off for AAP in-pool used to be a county wide 132, that was at the low end of the 99th percentile and that was the cut off.

There is nothing wrong with a score in the 87th percentile, it is a strong score. It is not a score that I would expect for the vast majority of kids in AAP. I would expect kids to be in the 95th percentile or higher on the iReady or MAP or other standardized test scores.

Until 2 years ago You needed a 91st percentile on the IAAT to get into Algebra in 7th grade. The reality is that there are more then enough kids in FCPS with MAP scores and iReady scores and other test scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher that a student scoring in the 87th percentile is less likely to make their way into AAP based on that test score.

The posters child is good at math. The test score is not one that most people who know AAP would say would get them into AAP. I am not sure why the Teacher would mark the kid the way that they did with that score unless they are at a Title 1 or near Title 1 school what has far fewer kids in the 95th percentile or above.

We are not at a Title 1 school. Her teachers and AART have said consistently that she excels at math and we see that at home too. We have noticed this year that she struggles to understand the computerized tests and when they give her a paper copy and then ask her to input it into the computer, she makes errors in entering it online that she completed correctly on paper. I had a discussion with her teacher and the assistant principal about instruction in how to do the test on the computer, which they were apparently not teaching at the beginning of the year.

Use that in your appeal. Find some age appropriate math competition problems and have her do a few of the harder ones, have her explain how she solved them. Use those as her work sample.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does the section under the HOPE rating - "Please indicate all content areas where the students show ....." imply? Do full time AAP eligible students usually have checks against the boxes next to the subjects (Math, Writing, Reading,...) ? Do these boxes indicate subject level AAP recommendations?

DD has boxes checked for math, writing, reading, science, and social studies, and the comment underneath noted that she made significant growth on her winter MAP math assessment (she's in the 87th percentile).

She gets 4s and some 3s on her report cards.

The 87th percentile on the MAP is not a kid who should have the math box checked unless they are at a Title 1 school. That is a good overall score but a low score for even Advanced Math, never mind AAP. Toss in 3's on the report card and that is not a kid who I would think would be accepted into AAP.

There have to be kids in AAP who are below the 99th percentile and get some 3s on their report cards.

There are kids below the 99th percentile. We know that. How many are at the 87th percentile? Maybe some at lower SES schools but not too many at higher SES schools. The cut off for AAP in-pool used to be a county wide 132, that was at the low end of the 99th percentile and that was the cut off.

There is nothing wrong with a score in the 87th percentile, it is a strong score. It is not a score that I would expect for the vast majority of kids in AAP. I would expect kids to be in the 95th percentile or higher on the iReady or MAP or other standardized test scores.

Until 2 years ago You needed a 91st percentile on the IAAT to get into Algebra in 7th grade. The reality is that there are more then enough kids in FCPS with MAP scores and iReady scores and other test scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher that a student scoring in the 87th percentile is less likely to make their way into AAP based on that test score.

The posters child is good at math. The test score is not one that most people who know AAP would say would get them into AAP. I am not sure why the Teacher would mark the kid the way that they did with that score unless they are at a Title 1 or near Title 1 school what has far fewer kids in the 95th percentile or above.

We are not at a Title 1 school. Her teachers and AART have said consistently that she excels at math and we see that at home too. We have noticed this year that she struggles to understand the computerized tests and when they give her a paper copy and then ask her to input it into the computer, she makes errors in entering it online that she completed correctly on paper. I had a discussion with her teacher and the assistant principal about instruction in how to do the test on the computer, which they were apparently not teaching at the beginning of the year.

Parent of a 2nd grader who was in pool but didn't get in. My child has the same issue with being 100% correct on paper and then getting it wrong somehow went entering on the computer. My older elementary child and her friend were discussing how they hate the county computer math tests. The friend mentioned how if you accidentally click the screen while scrolling down, it can change the answer you selected. It is beyond ridiculous the county is using these tests on elementary and especially 2nd graders. I know some have shared on DCUM that the teachers are skimming the paper copies and giving partial credit. That isn't happening at our base school or the center. My second grader's teacher had no idea she had 2 correct on paper but wrong on the computer. When the tests are only 9-11 questions that is a huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

I would not discuss with either unless you want to be that parent. The number one thing teachers HATE is the "why didn't my kid get into AAP" conversation. So much so that most of them will warn parents in advance that they have "no" control over the process (by which they mean that they aren't on the selection committee that reviews your kids' packet, conveniently glossing over their role in HOPE). Also at least at my kids' school - but not everywhere - HOPE is done by committee. The 2nd grade teacher, 1st grade teacher, and AART all weigh in. So it would really be a misplaced complaint.

If anything I would ask your school's AART to review your appeal to make sure it is as strong as possible. Our AART was very up-front with parents that she would review packets, and she was actually pretty helpful about identifying the kinds of things the committee might like to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

I would not discuss with either unless you want to be that parent. The number one thing teachers HATE is the "why didn't my kid get into AAP" conversation. So much so that most of them will warn parents in advance that they have "no" control over the process (by which they mean that they aren't on the selection committee that reviews your kids' packet, conveniently glossing over their role in HOPE). Also at least at my kids' school - but not everywhere - HOPE is done by committee. The 2nd grade teacher, 1st grade teacher, and AART all weigh in. So it would really be a misplaced complaint.

If anything I would ask your school's AART to review your appeal to make sure it is as strong as possible. Our AART was very up-front with parents that she would review packets, and she was actually pretty helpful about identifying the kinds of things the committee might like to see.

Interesting! Our AART refuses to provide an guidance what so ever. Won't help choose work examples, won't discuss ANYTHING. ugh. This is so hard the process is so confusing. I believe in my kid, what do I need to do put the best foot forward is all I ask. We get no guidance AT ALL. Except here is the paper work you need to submit. Like never mentions WISC. This is first I am hearing of it on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

I would not discuss with either unless you want to be that parent. The number one thing teachers HATE is the "why didn't my kid get into AAP" conversation. So much so that most of them will warn parents in advance that they have "no" control over the process (by which they mean that they aren't on the selection committee that reviews your kids' packet, conveniently glossing over their role in HOPE). Also at least at my kids' school - but not everywhere - HOPE is done by committee. The 2nd grade teacher, 1st grade teacher, and AART all weigh in. So it would really be a misplaced complaint.

If anything I would ask your school's AART to review your appeal to make sure it is as strong as possible. Our AART was very up-front with parents that she would review packets, and she was actually pretty helpful about identifying the kinds of things the committee might like to see.

Interesting! Our AART refuses to provide an guidance what so ever. Won't help choose work examples, won't discuss ANYTHING. ugh. This is so hard the process is so confusing. I believe in my kid, what do I need to do put the best foot forward is all I ask. We get no guidance AT ALL. Except here is the paper work you need to submit. Like never mentions WISC. This is first I am hearing of it on here.

Same, and in my opinion, if your kid didn't get in the first time with AART guidance, why would you want your AART as part of the appeal process? I certainly wouldn't want her touching the appeal. Very happy appealing straight to the committee without useless AART's "knowledge".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

I would not discuss with either unless you want to be that parent. The number one thing teachers HATE is the "why didn't my kid get into AAP" conversation. So much so that most of them will warn parents in advance that they have "no" control over the process (by which they mean that they aren't on the selection committee that reviews your kids' packet, conveniently glossing over their role in HOPE). Also at least at my kids' school - but not everywhere - HOPE is done by committee. The 2nd grade teacher, 1st grade teacher, and AART all weigh in. So it would really be a misplaced complaint.

If anything I would ask your school's AART to review your appeal to make sure it is as strong as possible. Our AART was very up-front with parents that she would review packets, and she was actually pretty helpful about identifying the kinds of things the committee might like to see.

Interesting! Our AART refuses to provide an guidance what so ever. Won't help choose work examples, won't discuss ANYTHING. ugh. This is so hard the process is so confusing. I believe in my kid, what do I need to do put the best foot forward is all I ask. We get no guidance AT ALL. Except here is the paper work you need to submit. Like never mentions WISC. This is first I am hearing of it on here.

Our schools AART was the same way. Teachers would not discuss AAP at Parent Teacher Conferences. The closest we got in second grade was the Teacher telling us that there was no doubt that DS would be in Advanced Math in third grade. That led us to asking about AAP and the Teacher saying that they were not allowed to discuss AAP with parents. The AART was pretty much non-existent at our school and would not have looked over packets for parents. DS was accepted into AAP but the school very much followed the County policy to not discuss AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello Dear community parents:
I received a Hope Packet from my son school and it does not have good rating.
Teacher marked on all questions never and only in Math question sometimes. This is so frustrating for me as a parent. Should I discuss with principle about it or should I talk to class teacher about it?

I would not discuss with either unless you want to be that parent. The number one thing teachers HATE is the "why didn't my kid get into AAP" conversation. So much so that most of them will warn parents in advance that they have "no" control over the process (by which they mean that they aren't on the selection committee that reviews your kids' packet, conveniently glossing over their role in HOPE). Also at least at my kids' school - but not everywhere - HOPE is done by committee. The 2nd grade teacher, 1st grade teacher, and AART all weigh in. So it would really be a misplaced complaint.

If anything I would ask your school's AART to review your appeal to make sure it is as strong as possible. Our AART was very up-front with parents that she would review packets, and she was actually pretty helpful about identifying the kinds of things the committee might like to see.

Interesting! Our AART refuses to provide an guidance what so ever. Won't help choose work examples, won't discuss ANYTHING. ugh. This is so hard the process is so confusing. I believe in my kid, what do I need to do put the best foot forward is all I ask. We get no guidance AT ALL. Except here is the paper work you need to submit. Like never mentions WISC. This is first I am hearing of it on here.

Same, and in my opinion, if your kid didn't get in the first time with AART guidance, why would you want your AART as part of the appeal process? I certainly wouldn't want her touching the appeal. Very happy appealing straight to the committee without useless AART's "knowledge".

If your kid had a good HOPE score then it is likely that the school Committee thought that your kid belonged in AAP or at least were not the reason why the kid wasn't accepted, then talking to the AART may help. The issue is that there are Teachers and AARTs that will tell every parent that their kid belongs in AAP because they don't want to deal with parents who don't want to accept that their kid doesn't belong in AAP.