Hegseth Ordered Second Strike to Kill Caribbean Boat Survivors

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Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html



Oh wait, now it turns out that Whiskey Pete not only didn't order the second strike, he didn't even know about it.


Trump says he and Hegseth didn't know about second strike on boat

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-ukraine-russia-venezuela-12-02-2025



Oh listen….. that’s the sound of an admiral getting thrown under the bus by Kegsbreath.


I don’t feel bad for the Admiral at all. People talk like he is some innocent victim but he has a massive amount of military experience and knew better than to follow an illegal order. He, and every person in the chain of command, deserves whatever punishment is coming their way.


I do. He was in a no win situation. If he didn't follow the order, Hegseth would retaliate. He hoped that if he did, they wouldn't throw him under the bus. Oh well. He picked wrong.


No. He took an oath. He had a professional responsibility and literal laws to follow.

He should have refused and resigned. That is what you do. You do not violate your oath, your ethics, or the law.

He never should have made Admiral. Poor judgment. No ethics.



never ceases to amaze me that the press never asks - "what about your oath?"


Have you taken a look at the Pentagon press pool? They cleaned out all the legitimate press.

From AI
The new Pentagon press corps includes several right-wing media outlets and personalities, such as Lindell TV, Tim Pool, The Federalist, Just The News, OANN, and Frontlines. This shift follows the departure of many mainstream media outlets that declined to comply with the Pentagon's new media rules, leading to a new group of journalists from "new media" and independent sources being granted access.

Members of the new Pentagon press corps
Lindell TV: An outlet founded by Mike Lindell.
Tim Pool: A podcaster whose outlet, Timcast, was credentialed.
The Federalist: A conservative publication.
Just The News: A news outlet founded by John Solomon.
One America News Network (OANN): A conservative news channel.
Frontlines: Turning Point USA's media brand.
Human Events: A conservative magazine and online publication.
The Gateway Pundit: A conservative news and commentary website.
The National Pulse: A conservative news outlet.
Real America's Voice: A news and opinion streaming service.
The Epoch Times: A media organization that has been critical of the Chinese Communist Party.
The Post Millennial: An online news outlet.
Washington Reporter: A Substack newsletter.
RedState: A conservative blog.
Fearless Media: A conservative media outlet.
Independent Journalists: The group also includes independent journalists who agreed to the new rules.
Matt Gaetz: A former U.S. Representative who now hosts a show on OANN.
Laura Loomer: A conservative activist and journalist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html



Oh wait, now it turns out that Whiskey Pete not only didn't order the second strike, he didn't even know about it.


Trump says he and Hegseth didn't know about second strike on boat

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-ukraine-russia-venezuela-12-02-2025



Oh listen….. that’s the sound of an admiral getting thrown under the bus by Kegsbreath.


I don’t feel bad for the Admiral at all. People talk like he is some innocent victim but he has a massive amount of military experience and knew better than to follow an illegal order. He, and every person in the chain of command, deserves whatever punishment is coming their way.


I do. He was in a no win situation. If he didn't follow the order, Hegseth would retaliate. He hoped that if he did, they wouldn't throw him under the bus. Oh well. He picked wrong.


No. He took an oath. He had a professional responsibility and literal laws to follow.

He should have refused and resigned. That is what you do. You do not violate your oath, your ethics, or the law.

He never should have made Admiral. Poor judgment. No ethics.



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If you go into public service, your first duty is to the Constitution and the rule of law. That’s it. And the military has years of training. Years to learn the basics. No excuse.
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Well, it's not everyday that the President/Secretary of Defense give murder/war crime orders.


At least there is a bipartisan investigation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pete-hegseth-drug-boat-investigation-b2875013.html

Susan Collins will be troubled and concerned.


Whoa whoa whoa whoa! This is a big step up for her troubled and concerned. This looks like staff getting ahead of her.
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Anonymous wrote:AP says Hegseth claimed "fog of war."

Hoo boy. Once small boat not shooting at the Navy constitutes fog of war for Pete? He really must be drinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act
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Anonymous wrote:AP says Hegseth claimed "fog of war."

Hoo boy. Once small boat not shooting at the Navy constitutes fog of war for Pete? He really must be drinking.



What an arrogant, defensive, juvenile, and wholly unimpressive person he is.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


DP. This allows the coast guard to stop and board boats in US territorial waters not blow them up 2,000 miles away from the US. There is no evidence these boats have drugs. Even if they were transporting drugs they are in international waters or territorial waters of other countries. The US has no right to stop them. We are not the police force for the world. You f’ing maga people always want more war.

Now these are civilian boats. They pose no threat to the US. It is illegal for the US military to target and kill civilians that do not pose a threat to the US. It is a war crime. It is another war crime to target ship wreck survivors. The admiral will most likely face a court-martial with the death penalty unless he can blame lower level officers and enlisted.


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Well Hegseth says he left the room and therefore he is not responsible for the actions of the US military. Makes sense. Can’t wait to hear admiral Bradley say the same thing! I guess the commander of a unit is no longer responsible for the actions of the unit?

The rot in the US navy is on display.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


First, these are neither submersible or semi-submersible. They are simply open cockpit outboard motorboats.

Second, upon what basis do you allege these drums are filled with drugs? What drugs? Do you have a field test or lab test results to prove it?

With respect to the second, it only applies if Venezuela has consented. HAs Venezuela consented? Where? Can you show the diplomatic document that procvides that consent?

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


There is no law that allows American forces to murder shipwreck survivors.

It's literally the example used when officers go though training and address illegal orders. German U-Boat commanders were executed at Nuremberg for doing exactly that. And after the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, there are are very strong rules on when Americans can use lethal force.

That admiral was a dumbass for agreeing to order that second strike. Two people in the water with seven dead around them are not overturning an ocean-capable blue water boat and moving on to merrily delivering cocaine. These aren't canoes. The two survivors were not a threat to anyone. There is zero chance they could overturn that boat.

It was straight up murder.

But that's what Pete Hegseth is encouraging among soldiers today. And he's not well respected within the military. A National Guard guy in infantry who somehow became a major without a Ranger tab. That doesn't fly when it comes to respect. And hopefully this incident will get everyone in the military to think about lawful orders. Because everyone in that chain of command is going to have problems. Hegseth is a nightmare for the military. Clearly the worst SecDef in the history of America.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


First, these are neither submersible or semi-submersible. They are simply open cockpit outboard motorboats.

Second, upon what basis do you allege these drums are filled with drugs? What drugs? Do you have a field test or lab test results to prove it?

With respect to the second, it only applies if Venezuela has consented. HAs Venezuela consented? Where? Can you show the diplomatic document that procvides that consent?



Without even mentioning that U.S. laws enforced in international waters opens the door for an actual hostile nation to codify laws that threaten U.S. citizens they independently deem to be a threat to their nation in those same international waters.

Is this what we want?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


How can the US pass and impose laws on international waters?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a military lawyer anywhere who will go on record that this is legal. Maybe legal with some caveat that will need to be flushed out in the courts, but only reaching for a defense.


The Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act of 2008 outlawed the operation of, or travel in, unregistered submersibles and semi-submersibles in international waters with the intent to evade detection. It allows the U.S. to take measures to stop drug boats in international waters, which is what our authorities are doing. It applies also to these so-called “fishing boats” LOADED with 55 gallon plastic drums filled with narcotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Trafficking_Vessel_Interdiction_Act


Going back further, the Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 has extra-territorial effect and justifies the U.S. use of force to halt drug smuggling in international waters, including by use of force.

It passed the Senate by a vote of 97-2, and the House by 395-17. Chuck Shumer voted in favor. He’s a total hypocrite to try to complain about it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Drug_Law_Enforcement_Act


There is no law that allows American forces to murder shipwreck survivors.

It's literally the example used when officers go though training and address illegal orders. German U-Boat commanders were executed at Nuremberg for doing exactly that. And after the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, there are are very strong rules on when Americans can use lethal force.

That admiral was a dumbass for agreeing to order that second strike. Two people in the water with seven dead around them are not overturning an ocean-capable blue water boat and moving on to merrily delivering cocaine. These aren't canoes. The two survivors were not a threat to anyone. There is zero chance they could overturn that boat.

It was straight up murder.

But that's what Pete Hegseth is encouraging among soldiers today. And he's not well respected within the military. A National Guard guy in infantry who somehow became a major without a Ranger tab. That doesn't fly when it comes to respect. And hopefully this incident will get everyone in the military to think about lawful orders. Because everyone in that chain of command is going to have problems. Hegseth is a nightmare for the military. Clearly the worst SecDef in the history of America.


So it sounds like:
Hegseth's Pentagon tried to claim they were a "threat" to the US Navy after the first strike. That was a lie.
They tried to claim the survivors were trying to call for backup, but now it seems they had no communications equipment. Another lie.
Lots of lies coming from Hegseth's Pentagon.
Anonymous
Has anyone asked why the US is going after the small fry while Trump just pardoned one of the biggest narco traffickers ever?
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