Why do teens self-segregate along racial lines ?

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*slavery and colonialism did the same for blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone really said yoga is part of white culture? LOL 🤢 You can steal and water down everyone's culture as much as you want, but it will never be yours just because you participate.

Please. Soccer wasn't created in Latin America but it's definitely part of Latino culture. Yoga as practiced in the United States is by and large not part of Indian culture, yes it's appropriated and it's very much a part of White woman culture. Especially the ones that have a lot of fake spirituality.

Culture is often appropriated and transformed. I'm not sure how that can possibly be controversial.

white Americans have no culture.

White people that came here from places a long time ago like Ireland, England, Germany, Italy and all the other countries that people came here for a better life didn’t hang on to old cultures.

My father’s ancestors came to America 175 years ago. Back then people tended to marry from the old country, then from other countries in Europe. Soon Asians, South Americans, Africans and others emigrated to the US. They were more likely to hold on to their languages and food, ceremonies, etc. More recent in history Americans are marrying people who came here from different parts of the world.

There’s no such thing as white culture anywhere. The sooner people who become Americans branch out and make friends with a variety of people the sooner we’ll stop hurling insults at each other. We can dream anyway.

The term culture refers to "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group."

Do you think it's an insult to say there is Black culture or Latino culture or Asian culture? Should those cultures be erased? Should Latino people stop speaking Spanish and dancing to Latin music?

Do you think there aren't social institutions in the United States that are created by and mostly led by White people? Do you you think White people in the United States have developed no music, art or food?

Of course there is White American culture. It doesn't mean all White people are the same just as there is a lot of diversity among Black, Latino and Asian people.

I think there are white american regional cultures but not really a cohesive white culture writ large as much. Of course, there are also black regional cultures, but additionally a larger black culture.

Come on, people listen to White country singers heavy metal music everywhere. People eat hot dogs everywhere. You are in denial.

People eat pizza everywhere too but that doesn't make anyone Italian wtf. Beyonce just put out a country album and there is. along history of black country music. Heavy metal music is extremely niche and most white people don't listen to it either. Weird.

Why is hip hop Black culture but country isn't White culture? This is your discomfort with naming things as White.

I never said anything of the sort. I don’t think it should be this way but black people have made it very clear that white hip hop artists will not be allowed on any large scale. Black people gate-keep to keep white people out of hip hop and it’s wrong. Just like it was wrong for white radio stations to exclude legitimate black country artists. Even so there are many white hip hop acts even internationally but the dominant black american culture rejects them outright based on skin color. Either bigotry is wrong or it is not. I think it’s wrong no matter who is being discriminatory.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this complex issue. I think you need to read about the history of the music industry to better understand it and not sound so ignorant.

I’m well versed in the history of hip hop thank you very much. Care to elaborate?

The music industry has a long history of exploiting Black artists, often resulting in inadequate compensation, limited creative control, and a lack of recognition for their contributions. This exploitation is rooted in systemic racism and predatory practices that have marginalized Black musicians for decades.
Historical and Contemporary Exploitation:
Royalty Accounting Manipulation:
Record labels have been known to manipulate royalty accounting, loading artists' accounts with hidden charges and failing to pay or account for foreign royalties, effectively leaving artists in debt and hindering their ability to accumulate wealth.
Predatory Contracts:
Black artists have historically been placed into exploitative contracts that limit their ownership of their music, giving labels the majority of the financial rewards.
Lack of Ownership and Control:
The music industry has historically denied Black artists control over their creative works and cultural output, leading to a lack of agency and further financial disadvantage.
Tokenism and Genre Stereotyping:
Black artists are often tokenized or pigeonholed into specific genres, limiting their artistic expression and creative freedom, while also commodifying their identity.
Limited Access to Resources:
Black artists have faced systemic barriers in accessing resources, funding, and opportunities, hindering their ability to compete with their white counterparts.
Unequal Compensation:
Black artists have consistently been underpaid for their work compared to white artists, further exacerbating financial inequality.
Industry Practices:
Practices such as payola (paying for radio play), which disproportionately favor white artists, have also contributed to the exploitation of Black artists.
Lack of Diversity in Leadership:
White executives often make decisions regarding Black music, with a lack of understanding and respect for the culture, leading to misrepresentation and further exploitation.
Consequences of Exploitation:
Economic Disadvantage:
Black artists are often left with little to no financial benefit from their music, despite its popularity and cultural significance.
Mental Health Impacts:
The constant struggle against systemic racism and exploitation can take a significant toll on the mental health of Black artists.
Loss of Cultural Legacy:
The lack of recognition and proper compensation can lead to a loss of cultural legacy and historical significance for Black artists.
Perpetuation of Harmful Stereotypes:
Tokenism and genre pigeonholing can reinforce harmful stereotypes about Black artists and their contributions.
Examples of Exploitation:
Robert Johnson:
A legendary blues musician who died penniless, despite his profound influence on music.
Ruth Brown:
A R&B singer who was significantly underpaid and left with a debt to her label due to accounting manipulation.
The broader history of the Blues and Jazz music:
These genres, created by Black musicians, have often been appropriated and exploited by the mainstream music industry.
Moving Forward:
Increased Industry Accountability:
Organizations like Black Lives in Music and the Black Music Action Coalition are advocating for greater transparency and accountability within the music industry.
Fairer Contracts:
There is a need for contracts that are transparent, fair, and protect the rights of artists, particularly Black artists.
Diversification of Leadership:
The music industry needs to diversify its leadership to ensure that Black voices are heard and respected.
Education and Awareness:
Raising awareness about the historical and ongoing exploitation of Black artists is crucial for creating meaningful change.
The exploitation of Black artists is a systemic issue that requires ongoing effort and commitment to address. By acknowledging the past and actively working towards a more equitable future, the music industry can begin to rectify the wrongs that have been committed and ensure that Black artists are treated with the respect and compensation they deserve, according to several reports.

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Speaking as a South Asian woman with mixed kids, it's because the white kids exclude the non-white kids (or rather, the white parents exclude the non-white kids from a very early age), so the non-white kids feel like they have to stick together. At least this was my experience as a child, and my kids' experience, too -- even though they are the children of a South Asian mom born and raised in the midwest and a white dad. I'm as American as apple pie, but the white moms have always still excluded me. Even after talking to me and realizing I'm not an immigrant (they're scared of immigrants).

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Anonymous wrote:Someone really said yoga is part of white culture? LOL 🤢 You can steal and water down everyone's culture as much as you want, but it will never be yours just because you participate.

Please. Soccer wasn't created in Latin America but it's definitely part of Latino culture. Yoga as practiced in the United States is by and large not part of Indian culture, yes it's appropriated and it's very much a part of White woman culture. Especially the ones that have a lot of fake spirituality.

Culture is often appropriated and transformed. I'm not sure how that can possibly be controversial.

white Americans have no culture.

White people that came here from places a long time ago like Ireland, England, Germany, Italy and all the other countries that people came here for a better life didn’t hang on to old cultures.

My father’s ancestors came to America 175 years ago. Back then people tended to marry from the old country, then from other countries in Europe. Soon Asians, South Americans, Africans and others emigrated to the US. They were more likely to hold on to their languages and food, ceremonies, etc. More recent in history Americans are marrying people who came here from different parts of the world.

There’s no such thing as white culture anywhere. The sooner people who become Americans branch out and make friends with a variety of people the sooner we’ll stop hurling insults at each other. We can dream anyway.

The term culture refers to "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group."

Do you think it's an insult to say there is Black culture or Latino culture or Asian culture? Should those cultures be erased? Should Latino people stop speaking Spanish and dancing to Latin music?

Do you think there aren't social institutions in the United States that are created by and mostly led by White people? Do you you think White people in the United States have developed no music, art or food?

Of course there is White American culture. It doesn't mean all White people are the same just as there is a lot of diversity among Black, Latino and Asian people.

I think there are white american regional cultures but not really a cohesive white culture writ large as much. Of course, there are also black regional cultures, but additionally a larger black culture.

Come on, people listen to White country singers heavy metal music everywhere. People eat hot dogs everywhere. You are in denial.

People eat pizza everywhere too but that doesn't make anyone Italian wtf. Beyonce just put out a country album and there is. along history of black country music. Heavy metal music is extremely niche and most white people don't listen to it either. Weird.

Why is hip hop Black culture but country isn't White culture? This is your discomfort with naming things as White.

I never said anything of the sort. I don’t think it should be this way but black people have made it very clear that white hip hop artists will not be allowed on any large scale. Black people gate-keep to keep white people out of hip hop and it’s wrong. Just like it was wrong for white radio stations to exclude legitimate black country artists. Even so there are many white hip hop acts even internationally but the dominant black american culture rejects them outright based on skin color. Either bigotry is wrong or it is not. I think it’s wrong no matter who is being discriminatory.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this complex issue. I think you need to read about the history of the music industry to better understand it and not sound so ignorant.

I’m well versed in the history of hip hop thank you very much. Care to elaborate?

The music industry has a long history of exploiting Black artists, often resulting in inadequate compensation, limited creative control, and a lack of recognition for their contributions. This exploitation is rooted in systemic racism and predatory practices that have marginalized Black musicians for decades.
Historical and Contemporary Exploitation:
Royalty Accounting Manipulation:
Record labels have been known to manipulate royalty accounting, loading artists' accounts with hidden charges and failing to pay or account for foreign royalties, effectively leaving artists in debt and hindering their ability to accumulate wealth.
Predatory Contracts:
Black artists have historically been placed into exploitative contracts that limit their ownership of their music, giving labels the majority of the financial rewards.
Lack of Ownership and Control:
The music industry has historically denied Black artists control over their creative works and cultural output, leading to a lack of agency and further financial disadvantage.
Tokenism and Genre Stereotyping:
Black artists are often tokenized or pigeonholed into specific genres, limiting their artistic expression and creative freedom, while also commodifying their identity.
Limited Access to Resources:
Black artists have faced systemic barriers in accessing resources, funding, and opportunities, hindering their ability to compete with their white counterparts.
Unequal Compensation:
Black artists have consistently been underpaid for their work compared to white artists, further exacerbating financial inequality.
Industry Practices:
Practices such as payola (paying for radio play), which disproportionately favor white artists, have also contributed to the exploitation of Black artists.
Lack of Diversity in Leadership:
White executives often make decisions regarding Black music, with a lack of understanding and respect for the culture, leading to misrepresentation and further exploitation.
Consequences of Exploitation:
Economic Disadvantage:
Black artists are often left with little to no financial benefit from their music, despite its popularity and cultural significance.
Mental Health Impacts:
The constant struggle against systemic racism and exploitation can take a significant toll on the mental health of Black artists.
Loss of Cultural Legacy:
The lack of recognition and proper compensation can lead to a loss of cultural legacy and historical significance for Black artists.
Perpetuation of Harmful Stereotypes:
Tokenism and genre pigeonholing can reinforce harmful stereotypes about Black artists and their contributions.
Examples of Exploitation:
Robert Johnson:
A legendary blues musician who died penniless, despite his profound influence on music.
Ruth Brown:
A R&B singer who was significantly underpaid and left with a debt to her label due to accounting manipulation.
The broader history of the Blues and Jazz music:
These genres, created by Black musicians, have often been appropriated and exploited by the mainstream music industry.
Moving Forward:
Increased Industry Accountability:
Organizations like Black Lives in Music and the Black Music Action Coalition are advocating for greater transparency and accountability within the music industry.
Fairer Contracts:
There is a need for contracts that are transparent, fair, and protect the rights of artists, particularly Black artists.
Diversification of Leadership:
The music industry needs to diversify its leadership to ensure that Black voices are heard and respected.
Education and Awareness:
Raising awareness about the historical and ongoing exploitation of Black artists is crucial for creating meaningful change.
The exploitation of Black artists is a systemic issue that requires ongoing effort and commitment to address. By acknowledging the past and actively working towards a more equitable future, the music industry can begin to rectify the wrongs that have been committed and ensure that Black artists are treated with the respect and compensation they deserve, according to several reports.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone really said yoga is part of white culture? LOL 🤢 You can steal and water down everyone's culture as much as you want, but it will never be yours just because you participate.

Please. Soccer wasn't created in Latin America but it's definitely part of Latino culture. Yoga as practiced in the United States is by and large not part of Indian culture, yes it's appropriated and it's very much a part of White woman culture. Especially the ones that have a lot of fake spirituality.

Culture is often appropriated and transformed. I'm not sure how that can possibly be controversial.

white Americans have no culture.

White people that came here from places a long time ago like Ireland, England, Germany, Italy and all the other countries that people came here for a better life didn’t hang on to old cultures.

My father’s ancestors came to America 175 years ago. Back then people tended to marry from the old country, then from other countries in Europe. Soon Asians, South Americans, Africans and others emigrated to the US. They were more likely to hold on to their languages and food, ceremonies, etc. More recent in history Americans are marrying people who came here from different parts of the world.

There’s no such thing as white culture anywhere. The sooner people who become Americans branch out and make friends with a variety of people the sooner we’ll stop hurling insults at each other. We can dream anyway.

The term culture refers to "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group."

Do you think it's an insult to say there is Black culture or Latino culture or Asian culture? Should those cultures be erased? Should Latino people stop speaking Spanish and dancing to Latin music?

Do you think there aren't social institutions in the United States that are created by and mostly led by White people? Do you you think White people in the United States have developed no music, art or food?

Of course there is White American culture. It doesn't mean all White people are the same just as there is a lot of diversity among Black, Latino and Asian people.

I think there are white american regional cultures but not really a cohesive white culture writ large as much. Of course, there are also black regional cultures, but additionally a larger black culture.

Come on, people listen to White country singers heavy metal music everywhere. People eat hot dogs everywhere. You are in denial.

People eat pizza everywhere too but that doesn't make anyone Italian wtf. Beyonce just put out a country album and there is. along history of black country music. Heavy metal music is extremely niche and most white people don't listen to it either. Weird.

Why is hip hop Black culture but country isn't White culture? This is your discomfort with naming things as White.

I never said anything of the sort. I don’t think it should be this way but black people have made it very clear that white hip hop artists will not be allowed on any large scale. Black people gate-keep to keep white people out of hip hop and it’s wrong. Just like it was wrong for white radio stations to exclude legitimate black country artists. Even so there are many white hip hop acts even internationally but the dominant black american culture rejects them outright based on skin color. Either bigotry is wrong or it is not. I think it’s wrong no matter who is being discriminatory.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this complex issue. I think you need to read about the history of the music industry to better understand it and not sound so ignorant.

I’m well versed in the history of hip hop thank you very much. Care to elaborate?

The music industry has a long history of exploiting Black artists, often resulting in inadequate compensation, limited creative control, and a lack of recognition for their contributions. This exploitation is rooted in systemic racism and predatory practices that have marginalized Black musicians for decades.
Historical and Contemporary Exploitation:
Royalty Accounting Manipulation:
Record labels have been known to manipulate royalty accounting, loading artists' accounts with hidden charges and failing to pay or account for foreign royalties, effectively leaving artists in debt and hindering their ability to accumulate wealth.
Predatory Contracts:
Black artists have historically been placed into exploitative contracts that limit their ownership of their music, giving labels the majority of the financial rewards.
Lack of Ownership and Control:
The music industry has historically denied Black artists control over their creative works and cultural output, leading to a lack of agency and further financial disadvantage.
Tokenism and Genre Stereotyping:
Black artists are often tokenized or pigeonholed into specific genres, limiting their artistic expression and creative freedom, while also commodifying their identity.
Limited Access to Resources:
Black artists have faced systemic barriers in accessing resources, funding, and opportunities, hindering their ability to compete with their white counterparts.
Unequal Compensation:
Black artists have consistently been underpaid for their work compared to white artists, further exacerbating financial inequality.
Industry Practices:
Practices such as payola (paying for radio play), which disproportionately favor white artists, have also contributed to the exploitation of Black artists.
Lack of Diversity in Leadership:
White executives often make decisions regarding Black music, with a lack of understanding and respect for the culture, leading to misrepresentation and further exploitation.
Consequences of Exploitation:
Economic Disadvantage:
Black artists are often left with little to no financial benefit from their music, despite its popularity and cultural significance.
Mental Health Impacts:
The constant struggle against systemic racism and exploitation can take a significant toll on the mental health of Black artists.
Loss of Cultural Legacy:
The lack of recognition and proper compensation can lead to a loss of cultural legacy and historical significance for Black artists.
Perpetuation of Harmful Stereotypes:
Tokenism and genre pigeonholing can reinforce harmful stereotypes about Black artists and their contributions.
Examples of Exploitation:
Robert Johnson:
A legendary blues musician who died penniless, despite his profound influence on music.
Ruth Brown:
A R&B singer who was significantly underpaid and left with a debt to her label due to accounting manipulation.
The broader history of the Blues and Jazz music:
These genres, created by Black musicians, have often been appropriated and exploited by the mainstream music industry.
Moving Forward:
Increased Industry Accountability:
Organizations like Black Lives in Music and the Black Music Action Coalition are advocating for greater transparency and accountability within the music industry.
Fairer Contracts:
There is a need for contracts that are transparent, fair, and protect the rights of artists, particularly Black artists.
Diversification of Leadership:
The music industry needs to diversify its leadership to ensure that Black voices are heard and respected.
Education and Awareness:
Raising awareness about the historical and ongoing exploitation of Black artists is crucial for creating meaningful change.
The exploitation of Black artists is a systemic issue that requires ongoing effort and commitment to address. By acknowledging the past and actively working towards a more equitable future, the music industry can begin to rectify the wrongs that have been committed and ensure that Black artists are treated with the respect and compensation they deserve, according to several reports.

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Well yeah, that's what you get these days when you demand people write you a history paper

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking as a South Asian woman with mixed kids, it's because the white kids exclude the non-white kids (or rather, the white parents exclude the non-white kids from a very early age), so the non-white kids feel like they have to stick together. At least this was my experience as a child, and my kids' experience, too -- even though they are the children of a South Asian mom born and raised in the midwest and a white dad. I'm as American as apple pie, but the white moms have always still excluded me. Even after talking to me and realizing I'm not an immigrant (they're scared of immigrants).

Dang, I am so sorry that has been your experience.

Hopefully the white parents open their minds and hearts, that's disappointing to hear that your kids are having the same experience you did 20+ years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Spent a week this Summer at a teens’ coed summer camp and noticed this happening. The African-American kids in particular seemed to really self-segregate and only sit with AA kids during mealtimes.

Our troop is about 40% white, equal amount Asian/Indian, with a few Latinx and AA kids. But at summer camp 2025, they all just seemed to separate this way.

Why are kids still doing this in 2025? Any suggestions to stop it?

The same reasons adults do.

Sure, but that doesn’t make it ok; don’t you agree ?

DP but it doesn't make it wrong either. Forcing them to mix is wrong.

It’s a red flag for sure. Not associating with any other race than your own is not healthy or admirable in any way no matter what your excuse is. It’s wrong to discriminate based on skin color.

Doesn’t it depend on who is doing the self-segregating? My sense is that it’s not okay for white kids to self-segregate and exclude but it is okay for Black kids to do so.

Wow, just wow.

PP here. Is this wrong? This is my lived experience and I don’t even know what part of what I wrote is worthy of “wow”!

For instance, my kids’ (public) elementary school has an affinity group for Black students and a social worker who works exclusively with Black families in “Black needs”. They group the Black students together in classes and if there is a Black teacher, they give her all the Black students. I don’t think anyone - Black or white - has an issue with this, but you certainly wouldn’t do this for white students.

Then I see it in real life too. For example, it’s a joke about how white people aren’t invited to the cook out. No one is “challenging” or shaming them for not inviting Bob from the office. But if a white “progressive” person hosts a party, people and books like “White Fragility” ask the white people to think about why they don’t have any Black friends and suggests that means they’re racist.

Is this not everyone else’s experience too???

Even MORE WOW! Speechless now really.

Haha, I feel like I am being trolled? Or gaslit? I don't know what to tell you, this is literally just my observations.

Am I saying something controversial and don't know it? Is this an example of "saying the quiet part outloud"?

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This doesn't surprise me at all. There is a huge push across the country to recruit more Black teachers, since it is well-researched that Black students are more successful with Black teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:This doesn't surprise me at all. There is a huge push across the country to recruit more Black teachers, since it is well-researched that Black students are more successful with Black teachers.

Wait, I thought diversity in education was always good. Is this wrong?

Also, are white and Asian students more successful with white and Asian teachers, respectively?

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking as a South Asian woman with mixed kids, it's because the white kids exclude the non-white kids (or rather, the white parents exclude the non-white kids from a very early age), so the non-white kids feel like they have to stick together. At least this was my experience as a child, and my kids' experience, too -- even though they are the children of a South Asian mom born and raised in the midwest and a white dad. I'm as American as apple pie, but the white moms have always still excluded me. Even after talking to me and realizing I'm not an immigrant (they're scared of immigrants).

As a black parent who grew up in mostly white schools and has a kid in mostly white schools, this is the answer. My daughter doesn’t self segregate and has a diverse set of friends but we definitely noticed the exclusion from white moms when she was in early elementary school and friendships/playdates were more parent driven/organized.

Also, why is the focus only on the kids of color sitting together? What about the larger cohort of white kids sitting together? Aren’t they self segregating ?