UPenn Bends to Trump Admin; Revokes Lia Thomas Medals

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

I asked for the specifics of “fair and inclusive solutions.” These are not solutions, and are not fair.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Saying we should find a fair solution in 2025 is to ignore everything that happened in the prior years. I vote for the Democratic candidate as a rule but they were dead wrong on this issue. Even if it puts us on the side of people we don’t like, we should finally be able to admit. Except for the most extreme, everyone is on that side.

“Everyone”? Is that what you tell yourself?

DP. Pretty much everyone except for a few far left extremists. Look at the polling data, which is likely underrepresenting people’s positions on this issue.

Link to this polling data that shows “pretty much everyone”?

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

I asked for the specifics of “fair and inclusive solutions.” These are not solutions, and are not fair.

Having medical criteria for participation is fair and inclusive.

You can debate the specifics of the criteria, but that approach itself is fair and inclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

Do your own research, if you actually care.

lol. This is perfect. I couldn’t encapsulate the problems with progressive discourse any better.

“Don’t be taken in by the bigoted propaganda. Let’s work together for inclusive solutions!”

“Ok what solutions!”

“Do your own research, you bigot.”

There are multiple posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

The right is propogandizing the issue because the left refused to listen to common sense on the issue and calls anyone who doesn't agree with what is essentially a fringe belief system (that trans women should be treated as identical to cis women in sports, even at the highest levels of competition) a bigot.

You don't seem to get that some of us who are glad to see this decision regarding Thomas at Penn, and who are relieved to see more common sense discussions of fairness on the issues of trans women in women's sports, are not Trump voters. I have not somehow been radicalized to vote for Trump because he decided to use this one issue as a cudgel to scare old people in North Carolina into voting for him. I see Trump for what he is and I see the right's fixation on this issue for what it is.

But also, progressive were absolutely screwing up this issue, the Biden administration made a HUGE error in changing regulations to allow transgender athletes to use Title IX to compete according to the gender identity. In doing so, he completely bypassed the conversation that should have happened at the level of schools, sports governing bodies, teams, etc., and imposed a legal requirement to force schools to treat trans women athletes as identical to women in athletics. No nuance. No discussion of whether that is fair to cis women athletes. No discussion of, for example, creating a separate trans category for trans athletes to compete in, while training with the team that matched their gender expression (which would have been a truly inclusive and fair approach). Nope. Trans women are women, even in sports, even if the trans woman went through puberty as a boy and is taller, broader, and more muscular than all the women they compete against.

You think you are arguing against MAGA but you're not. You are arguing against progressives who have a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of this issue than you, because we are looking pragmatically at how to balance the rights of both trans athletes AND women athletes to find a fair resolution. Whereas you are knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn't agree with you MAGA and a bigot.

I do think eventually you will realize why you are wrong on this issue. It has very little to do with Trump. He just opportunistically seized on it because Dems/Biden screwed it up so bad.

Yikes. I’m a liberal and support trans people overall but I can’t disagree with the above PP.

Besides, I’m also a feminist. Women need to stop moving over for men. And women shouldn’t be told to shut up (the Penn athletes) because they have opinions. That’s so sexist.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

Fake news. Sports organizations ALREADY have guidelines on who could compete.

# years on hormones, etc.

There already were restrictions.

Right. There were already restrictions and common sense efforts to figure it out.

And then the Biden administration idiotically decided to waltz in and change the regs under Title IX to *require* schools to allow trans athletes to compete on the team of their gender expression. They took an issue that was complex and that actual athletic bodies were working their way through with nuance and care, and steamrolled all of it force schools to allow trans athletes to compete regardless of issues like # of years on hormones or when they transitioned. Under the Biden administrations rules, an athlete could compete as a male for the first three years of college, decide to transition prior to their senior year, and even if they had not undergone any hormone treatments at all, the school would have to let that athlete compete on the women's team in order to comply with Title IX.

And again, the idiocy of this policy did not induce me to vote for Trump. I didn't vote on this issue, and I voted for Harris because I'm not an idiot. But a lot of people fail to see Trump for the danger he is, and Biden gift wrapped a wedge issue and handed it to Trump with that Title IX regulatory change. If you don't understand that, please start there.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

Fake news. Sports organizations ALREADY have guidelines on who could compete.

# years on hormones, etc.

There already were restrictions.

And those guidelines clearly didn’t work, and were grotesquely unfair to natal women, yet raising those issues in 2018-2023 mean risking death threats, cancellations, job loss, etc. In the case of the Penn swimmers, it meant the possible loss of their degrees, their financial support, and their safety.

To pretend this history does not exist is simply gaslighting.

You mean when the GOP threw transgender athletes into the meat grinder?

Going after transgender athletes was a calculated political move that blew any chance of a reasonable solution out the water. The GOP went on the aggressive attack so much of the backlash was people being overly defensive. I don’t blame Ds for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

Fake news. Sports organizations ALREADY have guidelines on who could compete.

# years on hormones, etc.

There already were restrictions.

Right. There were already restrictions and common sense efforts to figure it out.

And then the Biden administration idiotically decided to waltz in and change the regs under Title IX to *require* schools to allow trans athletes to compete on the team of their gender expression. They took an issue that was complex and that actual athletic bodies were working their way through with nuance and care, and steamrolled all of it force schools to allow trans athletes to compete regardless of issues like # of years on hormones or when they transitioned. Under the Biden administrations rules, an athlete could compete as a male for the first three years of college, decide to transition prior to their senior year, and even if they had not undergone any hormone treatments at all, the school would have to let that athlete compete on the women's team in order to comply with Title IX.

And again, the idiocy of this policy did not induce me to vote for Trump. I didn't vote on this issue, and I voted for Harris because I'm not an idiot. But a lot of people fail to see Trump for the danger he is, and Biden gift wrapped a wedge issue and handed it to Trump with that Title IX regulatory change. If you don't understand that, please start there.

You missed the whole part where Rs went on the offensive against transgender people for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

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And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

Given your response, it’s clear you don’t engage with the normal moderate population— nearly all of whom don’t support natal men competing with girls and women.

There’s that bad math again. No, not “nearly all”.

Well, Pew, NBC, and the NY Times have 75-80 percent of Americans opposing the inclusion of trans women in girls and women's sports - and that includes two-thirds of GenZ. The position that Penn and the NCAA took with a male swimmer being allowed not only to compete as a woman swimmer, but to force other other women athletes to endure his presence in changing rooms, is wildly unpopular. But if you said anything at the time, Democrats were all over people and cancelling them right and left - calling them Terfs and Transphobic and so on. People remember that. It contributed to Democrats completely isolating themselves from mainstream sensibilities. I'm glad Penn is finally correcting things, but this never should have happened to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

Fake news. Sports organizations ALREADY have guidelines on who could compete.

# years on hormones, etc.

There already were restrictions.

And those guidelines clearly didn’t work, and were grotesquely unfair to natal women, yet raising those issues in 2018-2023 mean risking death threats, cancellations, job loss, etc. In the case of the Penn swimmers, it meant the possible loss of their degrees, their financial support, and their safety.

To pretend this history does not exist is simply gaslighting.

You mean when the GOP threw transgender athletes into the meat grinder?

Going after transgender athletes was a calculated political move that blew any chance of a reasonable solution out the water. The GOP went on the aggressive attack so much of the backlash was people being overly defensive. I don’t blame Ds for that.

There are no "transgender" athletes.

There are men and women.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

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It wasn’t even possible to get editorials published about the unfairness in a lot of mainstream publications. The Penn swimmers endured what should have been recognized as sexual harassment, but were viciously attacked and threatened for even trying to raise the issue. To pretend now that you’re “just interested in a fair solution” while ignoring that history is absolutely wrong on many levels.

You seem like you’re just interested in anything you can use as a cudgel to beat up on Lia Thomas. Or are you also interested in sniffing out any trans kids who dare to take part in high school track and field meets?

I see you can’t deny the point. Glad you’ve accepted that I am right in my description of the history and discourse environment on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

The right is propogandizing the issue because the left refused to listen to common sense on the issue and calls anyone who doesn't agree with what is essentially a fringe belief system (that trans women should be treated as identical to cis women in sports, even at the highest levels of competition) a bigot.

You don't seem to get that some of us who are glad to see this decision regarding Thomas at Penn, and who are relieved to see more common sense discussions of fairness on the issues of trans women in women's sports, are not Trump voters. I have not somehow been radicalized to vote for Trump because he decided to use this one issue as a cudgel to scare old people in North Carolina into voting for him. I see Trump for what he is and I see the right's fixation on this issue for what it is.

But also, progressive were absolutely screwing up this issue, the Biden administration made a HUGE error in changing regulations to allow transgender athletes to use Title IX to compete according to the gender identity. In doing so, he completely bypassed the conversation that should have happened at the level of schools, sports governing bodies, teams, etc., and imposed a legal requirement to force schools to treat trans women athletes as identical to women in athletics. No nuance. No discussion of whether that is fair to cis women athletes. No discussion of, for example, creating a separate trans category for trans athletes to compete in, while training with the team that matched their gender expression (which would have been a truly inclusive and fair approach). Nope. Trans women are women, even in sports, even if the trans woman went through puberty as a boy and is taller, broader, and more muscular than all the women they compete against.

You think you are arguing against MAGA but you're not. You are arguing against progressives who have a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of this issue than you, because we are looking pragmatically at how to balance the rights of both trans athletes AND women athletes to find a fair resolution. Whereas you are knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn't agree with you MAGA and a bigot.

I do think eventually you will realize why you are wrong on this issue. It has very little to do with Trump. He just opportunistically seized on it because Dems/Biden screwed it up so bad.

Yikes. I’m a liberal and support trans people overall but I can’t disagree with the above PP.

Besides, I’m also a feminist. Women need to stop moving over for men. And women shouldn’t be told to shut up (the Penn athletes) because they have opinions. That’s so sexist.

Right. You “support” transgender people.

And why do you think women shouldn’t receive any feedback on their (awful) opinions? That seems sexist.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

I’m not sure about misogyny. But it definitely takes a certain kind of intense entitlement to believe that you should be allowed to compete against biological women when your physiology is male.

So let the athletic organizations find a way to balance fairness and inclusion. Don’t freak TF out over a handful of athletes. Certainly don’t side with the GOP on their attacks against LGBTQ kids.

Except … in 2022-2023 any sports organization that dared even suggest a natal male should not compete against females would have been pilloried. Individuals would be fired and cancelled. Don’t pretend like there was some kind of healthy civil society discourse around these issues.

Fake news. Sports organizations ALREADY have guidelines on who could compete.

# years on hormones, etc.

There already were restrictions.

And those guidelines clearly didn’t work, and were grotesquely unfair to natal women, yet raising those issues in 2018-2023 mean risking death threats, cancellations, job loss, etc. In the case of the Penn swimmers, it meant the possible loss of their degrees, their financial support, and their safety.

To pretend this history does not exist is simply gaslighting.

You mean when the GOP threw transgender athletes into the meat grinder?

Going after transgender athletes was a calculated political move that blew any chance of a reasonable solution out the water. The GOP went on the aggressive attack so much of the backlash was people being overly defensive. I don’t blame Ds for that.

There are no "transgender" athletes.

There are men and women.

You seem rational and informed.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

Given your response, it’s clear you don’t engage with the normal moderate population— nearly all of whom don’t support natal men competing with girls and women.

There’s that bad math again. No, not “nearly all”.

Well, Pew, NBC, and the NY Times have 75-80 percent of Americans opposing the inclusion of trans women in girls and women's sports - and that includes two-thirds of GenZ. The position that Penn and the NCAA took with a male swimmer being allowed not only to compete as a woman swimmer, but to force other other women athletes to endure his presence in changing rooms, is wildly unpopular. But if you said anything at the time, Democrats were all over people and cancelling them right and left - calling them Terfs and Transphobic and so on. People remember that. It contributed to Democrats completely isolating themselves from mainstream sensibilities. I'm glad Penn is finally correcting things, but this never should have happened to begin with.

Right, so not “nearly all”. Thanks for correcting that.

I remember on DCUM when the people who were posting 24x7 about the horrors of transgender people were called TERFs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

I suspect you are not more engaged in women’s athletics than I am, and I know your type. You are loud and bully girls into agreeing with you on this issue. You think everyone agrees with you, but it’s because you excoriate and viciously attack and isolate the girls that might timidly dare to raise objections. That’s why you are so far out of step with what is the actual right thing here: because you’ve forcibly created a tight bubble around yourself by your own actions, so you can’t see the dissent all around you.

Girls in D1 sports who disagree on this issue know they risk the fury of people like you if they speak up, and people like you have the power of the entire university administration behind them. They cannot speak up because they risk so much. And people like you make sure that they know that, that they stay scared, and that they stay silent.