UPenn Bends to Trump Admin; Revokes Lia Thomas Medals

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

Having a good but not great male swimmer turn into a champion female swimmer is pretty much the worst possible outcome for the NCAA rules. Since it’s the same person you can’t argue about individual differences. I feel bad for Lia Thomas, but she unintentionally became a case study.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

Do your own research, if you actually care.

lol. This is perfect. I couldn’t encapsulate the problems with progressive discourse any better.

“Don’t be taken in by the bigoted propaganda. Let’s work together for inclusive solutions!”

“Ok what solutions!”

“Do your own research, you bigot.”

Yes, it’s ludicrous.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

The right is propogandizing the issue because the left refused to listen to common sense on the issue and calls anyone who doesn't agree with what is essentially a fringe belief system (that trans women should be treated as identical to cis women in sports, even at the highest levels of competition) a bigot.

You don't seem to get that some of us who are glad to see this decision regarding Thomas at Penn, and who are relieved to see more common sense discussions of fairness on the issues of trans women in women's sports, are not Trump voters. I have not somehow been radicalized to vote for Trump because he decided to use this one issue as a cudgel to scare old people in North Carolina into voting for him. I see Trump for what he is and I see the right's fixation on this issue for what it is.

But also, progressive were absolutely screwing up this issue, the Biden administration made a HUGE error in changing regulations to allow transgender athletes to use Title IX to compete according to the gender identity. In doing so, he completely bypassed the conversation that should have happened at the level of schools, sports governing bodies, teams, etc., and imposed a legal requirement to force schools to treat trans women athletes as identical to women in athletics. No nuance. No discussion of whether that is fair to cis women athletes. No discussion of, for example, creating a separate trans category for trans athletes to compete in, while training with the team that matched their gender expression (which would have been a truly inclusive and fair approach). Nope. Trans women are women, even in sports, even if the trans woman went through puberty as a boy and is taller, broader, and more muscular than all the women they compete against.

You think you are arguing against MAGA but you're not. You are arguing against progressives who have a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of this issue than you, because we are looking pragmatically at how to balance the rights of both trans athletes AND women athletes to find a fair resolution. Whereas you are knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn't agree with you MAGA and a bigot.

I do think eventually you will realize why you are wrong on this issue. It has very little to do with Trump. He just opportunistically seized on it because Dems/Biden screwed it up so bad.

+ 1 from another lifelong D who voted for Harris and is so frustrated that our progressive wing has lost all perspective on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

I suspect you are not more engaged in women’s athletics than I am, and I know your type. You are loud and bully girls into agreeing with you on this issue. You think everyone agrees with you, but it’s because you excoriate and viciously attack and isolate the girls that might timidly dare to raise objections. That’s why you are so far out of step with what is the actual right thing here: because you’ve forcibly created a tight bubble around yourself by your own actions, so you can’t see the dissent all around you.

Girls in D1 sports who disagree on this issue know they risk the fury of people like you if they speak up, and people like you have the power of the entire university administration behind them. They cannot speak up because they risk so much. And people like you make sure that they know that, that they stay scared, and that they stay silent.

and eggs are cheap now!

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

I asked for the specifics of “fair and inclusive solutions.” These are not solutions, and are not fair.

Having medical criteria for participation is fair and inclusive.

You can debate the specifics of the criteria, but that approach itself is fair and inclusive.

No, it’s not. Not when the “medical criteria” is coming from activists who shut down any dissenting opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

Do your own research, if you actually care.

lol. This is perfect. I couldn’t encapsulate the problems with progressive discourse any better.

“Don’t be taken in by the bigoted propaganda. Let’s work together for inclusive solutions!”

“Ok what solutions!”

“Do your own research, you bigot.”

There are multiple posters.

That doesn’t change the truth of the observation.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

Given your response, it’s clear you don’t engage with the normal moderate population— nearly all of whom don’t support natal men competing with girls and women.

There’s that bad math again. No, not “nearly all”.

Well, Pew, NBC, and the NY Times have 75-80 percent of Americans opposing the inclusion of trans women in girls and women's sports - and that includes two-thirds of GenZ. The position that Penn and the NCAA took with a male swimmer being allowed not only to compete as a woman swimmer, but to force other other women athletes to endure his presence in changing rooms, is wildly unpopular. But if you said anything at the time, Democrats were all over people and cancelling them right and left - calling them Terfs and Transphobic and so on. People remember that. It contributed to Democrats completely isolating themselves from mainstream sensibilities. I'm glad Penn is finally correcting things, but this never should have happened to begin with.

Right, so not “nearly all”. Thanks for correcting that.

I remember on DCUM when the people who were posting 24x7 about the horrors of transgender people were called TERFs.

DP. It’s nearly all when you factor in the known, documented, and widely analyzed underpolling that happens on issues like this. This is at best a 90/10 issue for the Democrats, and that’s being optimistic.

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Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

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And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

Having a good but not great male swimmer turn into a champion female swimmer is pretty much the worst possible outcome for the NCAA rules. Since it’s the same person you can’t argue about individual differences. I feel bad for Lia Thomas, but she unintentionally became a case study.

Yes. Lia Thomas has unfortunately become a case study in demonstrating how those rules were neither fair nor inclusive.

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Transgenders should proudly have their own division/league.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

The right is propogandizing the issue because the left refused to listen to common sense on the issue and calls anyone who doesn't agree with what is essentially a fringe belief system (that trans women should be treated as identical to cis women in sports, even at the highest levels of competition) a bigot.

You don't seem to get that some of us who are glad to see this decision regarding Thomas at Penn, and who are relieved to see more common sense discussions of fairness on the issues of trans women in women's sports, are not Trump voters. I have not somehow been radicalized to vote for Trump because he decided to use this one issue as a cudgel to scare old people in North Carolina into voting for him. I see Trump for what he is and I see the right's fixation on this issue for what it is.

But also, progressive were absolutely screwing up this issue, the Biden administration made a HUGE error in changing regulations to allow transgender athletes to use Title IX to compete according to the gender identity. In doing so, he completely bypassed the conversation that should have happened at the level of schools, sports governing bodies, teams, etc., and imposed a legal requirement to force schools to treat trans women athletes as identical to women in athletics. No nuance. No discussion of whether that is fair to cis women athletes. No discussion of, for example, creating a separate trans category for trans athletes to compete in, while training with the team that matched their gender expression (which would have been a truly inclusive and fair approach). Nope. Trans women are women, even in sports, even if the trans woman went through puberty as a boy and is taller, broader, and more muscular than all the women they compete against.

You think you are arguing against MAGA but you're not. You are arguing against progressives who have a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of this issue than you, because we are looking pragmatically at how to balance the rights of both trans athletes AND women athletes to find a fair resolution. Whereas you are knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn't agree with you MAGA and a bigot.

I do think eventually you will realize why you are wrong on this issue. It has very little to do with Trump. He just opportunistically seized on it because Dems/Biden screwed it up so bad.

+1,000,000. The progressives (and I am one of them) totally screwed up this issue through the lack of nuance and silencing (canceling) of any opposing viewpoint.

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Women's sports is for Women, not trans-women.

Men's division is wide open, so anyone including trans-women can compete there.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

You suck at math.

The % of the country who was swayed to vote for Trump over eggs or transgender athletes is much, much lower than 95%. Only 23% of the country voted for the turd.

You really need to get off DCUM and honestly talk to real people about this issue.

I’m much more engaged in women’s athletics (HS & college) than most here. I’m good, thanks.

And you can’t reason with irrational idiots who believe RWNJ propaganda. They really thought Trump was going to do something about the price of eggs?

I suspect you are not more engaged in women’s athletics than I am, and I know your type. You are loud and bully girls into agreeing with you on this issue. You think everyone agrees with you, but it’s because you excoriate and viciously attack and isolate the girls that might timidly dare to raise objections. That’s why you are so far out of step with what is the actual right thing here: because you’ve forcibly created a tight bubble around yourself by your own actions, so you can’t see the dissent all around you.

Girls in D1 sports who disagree on this issue know they risk the fury of people like you if they speak up, and people like you have the power of the entire university administration behind them. They cannot speak up because they risk so much. And people like you make sure that they know that, that they stay scared, and that they stay silent.

Given how confident you are in your (wholly inaccurate) assessment of me makes your whole narrative unreliable.

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, this removing Lia’s name won’t make whole the swimmers who lost races to her or missed their NCAA. Championship podium moment. Those are once in a lifetime events.

Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

Okay, let’s hear these “fair and inclusive solutions.” Be specific.

You are unfamiliar with the policies around the inclusion of transgender athletes?

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/26/ncaa-transgender-policy-background-resources.aspx

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/historyofskiing/2022/04/29/transforming-the-olympic-games-the-increased-inclusion-of-transgender-athletes-from-2003-through-the-present/

Having a good but not great male swimmer turn into a champion female swimmer is pretty much the worst possible outcome for the NCAA rules. Since it’s the same person you can’t argue about individual differences. I feel bad for Lia Thomas, but she unintentionally became a case study.

Yes. Lia Thomas has unfortunately become a case study in demonstrating how those rules were neither fair nor inclusive.

So change the rules. Don’t attack vulnerable people. Don’t give power to horrible people. Don’t make things much, much worse for women.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgenders should proudly have their own division/league.

International swimming tried this. The event was cancelled because nobody entered. Sourcing a cite from a LGTBQ-activist news source so trans rights activists don’t claim bias:

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/10/04/swimming-world-cup-open-category-trans/

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Give me a break. I thought you MAGAs detested the victim mentality. If my kid spent years moaning about “missing a podium moment,” I would know that I failed as a parent.

It’s unlikely PP is a MAGA. This is a 90/10 issue. It’s only in deep blue echo chambers like DCUM where people like you even exist. Outside of those small echo chambers, people would read your post and immediately dismiss you as crazy.

Most Americans correctly view what happened to the female Penn swimmers as a travesty. And Americans like their podium moments, and understand the loss of a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Your attempt to dismiss that loss because you are upset at discovering just how far outside the mainstream you are doesn’t change the fact you are far, far in the minority (and wrong) on this issue.

The angry cope from the blue cultists in this thread is wild to see.

Here’s what I believe - this has been blown up to be a huge issue and it is not. If you voted on this issue, you are a moron.

+1

And a bigot.

I believe what happened at Penn to the female swimmers was morally, ethically, and legally wrong. I believe it was wrong across the board, deeply sexist, and an example of the endemic misogyny in our country and culture. I believe people like you are on the wrong side of history.

If that makes me a bigot, that word has lost all meaning. And also, it means that at least 95% of the country and probably 99.9% of the world are “bigots.”

Hyperfocusing on transgender athletes during an election makes you a bigot.

Voting for a POS candidate like Trump over this “issue” makes you a bigot.

Posting about it 24x7 makes you a bigot.

Insisting that it’s “misogyny” makes you a bigot.

DP. Just because you have typed it out does not make it so.

Choosing to target transgender women was a choice you made, bigots.

It's choosing to stick up for girls and women. What's so difficult about that to understand?

Because it’s choosing to “stand up up girls and women” in an unhelpful way.

Where were the bigots when it comes to women’s training facilities? Or other significant inequalities in athletics that do affect THOUSANDS of girls and women every day?

We see you for what you are.

See, the crazy thing about voters is that you can’t stomp your feet and make them do exactly what you want simply because you want it. This is indeed a hard lesson for many on the progressive left, who never heard the word “no” growing up.

Many just ignorantly listen to RWNJ propaganda. Look at the whole price of eggs thing. Voters are dumb AF.

The GOP made a calculated move to attack transgender athletes because they studied the various issues and found that it was most triggering to a certain demographic.

Well, continue telling 95% of the country that they are dumb. I am sure that will work out for you as a strategy.

NP here and we’re not trying to convince the people who are using this issue to open a discussion on gender ideology, like a prior poster wrote. Those people are bigots and will not change their minds. We are trying to convince the people who lean left and claim to support trans people in all areas but this one that the right is propagandizing this issue and they should really think before they jump on the “let’s all shed a tear for the many, many women denied their podium moment” train. There are fair and inclusive solutions. If you actually support trans people and competitive fairness, let’s work to figure them out.

The right is propogandizing the issue because the left refused to listen to common sense on the issue and calls anyone who doesn't agree with what is essentially a fringe belief system (that trans women should be treated as identical to cis women in sports, even at the highest levels of competition) a bigot.

You don't seem to get that some of us who are glad to see this decision regarding Thomas at Penn, and who are relieved to see more common sense discussions of fairness on the issues of trans women in women's sports, are not Trump voters. I have not somehow been radicalized to vote for Trump because he decided to use this one issue as a cudgel to scare old people in North Carolina into voting for him. I see Trump for what he is and I see the right's fixation on this issue for what it is.

But also, progressive were absolutely screwing up this issue, the Biden administration made a HUGE error in changing regulations to allow transgender athletes to use Title IX to compete according to the gender identity. In doing so, he completely bypassed the conversation that should have happened at the level of schools, sports governing bodies, teams, etc., and imposed a legal requirement to force schools to treat trans women athletes as identical to women in athletics. No nuance. No discussion of whether that is fair to cis women athletes. No discussion of, for example, creating a separate trans category for trans athletes to compete in, while training with the team that matched their gender expression (which would have been a truly inclusive and fair approach). Nope. Trans women are women, even in sports, even if the trans woman went through puberty as a boy and is taller, broader, and more muscular than all the women they compete against.

You think you are arguing against MAGA but you're not. You are arguing against progressives who have a more nuanced and comprehensive understanding of this issue than you, because we are looking pragmatically at how to balance the rights of both trans athletes AND women athletes to find a fair resolution. Whereas you are knee-jerk calling anyone who doesn't agree with you MAGA and a bigot.

I do think eventually you will realize why you are wrong on this issue. It has very little to do with Trump. He just opportunistically seized on it because Dems/Biden screwed it up so bad.

+1,000,000. The progressives (and I am one of them) totally screwed up this issue through the lack of nuance and silencing (canceling) of any opposing viewpoint.

Yup, it was the silencing and shaming of people who raised good faith concerns that did them in. Assuming that every single person who has reservations about trans women in women's sports is a MAGA bigot is a mistake but look on this thread -- there is at least one PP who keeps doing it despite multiple posters taking the time to politely explain that their position on this is based on wanting fairness and to protect the the rights of women athletes that are only a couple generations old to begin with.