I didn't come to an art museum to watch you nurse a toddler

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Except none of this happened. If breasts weren’t involved this would be the equivalent of a child asking for a water bottle and being handed it.

But breasts were involved, that is the point. A walking, talking child was allowed to demand that a grown woman expose her breasts in public all because the grown woman cannot stand up to her toddler and have it wait 5 minutes. It’s honestly kind of disturbing.

Grandma, it’s 2025. Breastfeeding in public is fine. Even for a toddler. Grow TF up.

No it’s not fine for a toddler to demand “boob” and pull down his mother’s shirt in public. As much as you want to claim it is.

It is fine.

If you can’t handle being in public you should stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Except none of this happened. If breasts weren’t involved this would be the equivalent of a child asking for a water bottle and being handed it.

But breasts were involved, that is the point. A walking, talking child was allowed to demand that a grown woman expose her breasts in public all because the grown woman cannot stand up to her toddler and have it wait 5 minutes. It’s honestly kind of disturbing.

Grandma, it’s 2025. Breastfeeding in public is fine. Even for a toddler. Grow TF up.

No it’s not fine for a toddler to demand “boob” and pull down his mother’s shirt in public. As much as you want to claim it is.

It is fine.

If you can’t handle being in public you should stay home.

It’s not illegal. But like most things in life - a mature person accepts that if they do something they accept the consequences. Which in this case is accepting that yes it is unusual behavior in public, which means people may think or say things about it to you.

[Anonymous]

It's natural and I don't have a problem with it.

For people who say that a baby asking for it is too old--I just have to wonder if they have limited experience with babies/toddlers. Babies "ask for it" from early days with crying, rooting, getting fussy. Words come sometime that first year, and if you teach the sign for milk it can come even earlier than that. Are those babies not allowed to eat either, because they asked?

I also think it's important to consider breastfeeding laws in terms of the rights of the *mother* not just the child. Should she have to leave a public space because her baby is eating? How is that fair or right?

I admit that the word "boob" in this context makes me wince a bit but it's minor in the scheme of things.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Thanks for proving my point.

Judgmental twats who build up baseless narratives to defend their asshatness certainly aren’t worth worrying about.

Ok as long as you own it. But then do not get all hurt and indignant when someone comments on your permissive parenting or they don’t extend the same permissiveness to your child as you do.

LOL. More baseless narratives. The more defensive you get, the more creative they get.

MYOB.

The only narrative we have to go on is what OP saw: a mom allowing a toddler to breastfeed on demand in a public location that generally has expectations for decorum. There’s really no question the mom is extremely permissive. Your interpretation is that that is fine. Most of us find it a bit repellant. So do what you want with that knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Thanks for proving my point.

Judgmental twats who build up baseless narratives to defend their asshatness certainly aren’t worth worrying about.

The irony in the room is so thick.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Just by people like “museum leader who sees breastmilk as a threat” and honestly there’s some people in life whose judgement no one should worry about— op is one of them. The rest of us learned early to mind our own business and that good manners means leaving a room if we’re that uncomfortable.

You can go ahead and believe this. One thing I have learned about parenting is that if there is a widely held practice that I am departing from, it’s worth considering if I am doing the right thing or not, and why. So if people are telling you “breastfeeding a walking talking toddler on demand in a setting where that is not done is weird” the it is time to reflect on your parenting.

And others in this thread are saying it’s done, not weird, and that the person being weird is OP for being so triggered she had to write an internet post about it.

I have to offend one group or the other, I’ll offend the ones who pretend that as “museum leaders” they should tell me what to do and side with the group that lives and lets live. In general I think that leads to better outcomes. But your reflections have led you somewhere else and that’s ok.

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It’s only weird to old bats who refuse to MYOB.

It's the flurry of posts person, retriggered.

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Anonymous wrote:It's natural and I don't have a problem with it.

For people who say that a baby asking for it is too old--I just have to wonder if they have limited experience with babies/toddlers. Babies "ask for it" from early days with crying, rooting, getting fussy. Words come sometime that first year, and if you teach the sign for milk it can come even earlier than that. Are those babies not allowed to eat either, because they asked?

I also think it's important to consider breastfeeding laws in terms of the rights of the *mother* not just the child. Should she have to leave a public space because her baby is eating? How is that fair or right?

I admit that the word "boob" in this context makes me wince a bit but it's minor in the scheme of things.

There is a big difference between an infant crying and an older toddler demanding “boob.” And for that matter, a mom who had a screaming infant in a museum would also be problematic.

Yes basic manners are that a grown woman does not let her shirt be pulled up by an older toddler in public. Unlike with a newborn where you may have no choice but to nurse, allowing the toddler to nurse immediately on demand is a parenting choice not a requirement. And the vast majority of women nursing young babies in public do it with some discretion anyway.

Since it is not illegal behavior a woman has the right to let her toddler demand “boob” and pull her shirt up wherever she wants. But she’ll get judged.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Just by people like “museum leader who sees breastmilk as a threat” and honestly there’s some people in life whose judgement no one should worry about— op is one of them. The rest of us learned early to mind our own business and that good manners means leaving a room if we’re that uncomfortable.

You can go ahead and believe this. One thing I have learned about parenting is that if there is a widely held practice that I am departing from, it’s worth considering if I am doing the right thing or not, and why. So if people are telling you “breastfeeding a walking talking toddler on demand in a setting where that is not done is weird” the it is time to reflect on your parenting.

And others in this thread are saying it’s done, not weird, and that the person being weird is OP for being so triggered she had to write an internet post about it.

I have to offend one group or the other, I’ll offend the ones who pretend that as “museum leaders” they should tell me what to do and side with the group that lives and lets live. In general I think that leads to better outcomes. But your reflections have led you somewhere else and that’s ok.

So here's the thing. Everyone did live and let live. OP did not say anything to the mother at the museum. He/she let it go at the time and simply vented on this board. The permissive parent brigade on this thread are the ones really hammering down here and telling those of us repulsed by this example of annoying, rude, permissive parenting that we are not allowed to be repulsed. So much for live and let live.

The permissive parents are not only rude and annoying, you are the thought police. What a bunch of entitled hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This appears to be a loophole in the “no eating or drinking” rule. Undoubtedly if milk was in a cup, it would be forbidden. But, for example, if someone were milking a cow in the middle of the museum, this would be agricultural production and not explicitly forbidden by the signs.

If the milk is in a bottle, it's still allowed. Otherwise you would effectively be banning babies from museums. This is also true other places -- you can bring bottled breastmilk and formula through airport security, into sporting events, etc.

Also, you can bring bottled water and snacks to the National Gallery, you just can't consume them in the galleries. But you can nurse a child or give them a bottle in the galleries. Nursing actually poses a much lower threat to the artwork, it is insane to argue that a nursing mother is endangering artwork more than a bottle or even a bag containing liquids or food that could leak.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Except none of this happened. If breasts weren’t involved this would be the equivalent of a child asking for a water bottle and being handed it.

But breasts were involved, that is the point. A walking, talking child was allowed to demand that a grown woman expose her breasts in public all because the grown woman cannot stand up to her toddler and have it wait 5 minutes. It’s honestly kind of disturbing.

Grandma, it’s 2025. Breastfeeding in public is fine. Even for a toddler. Grow TF up.

No it’s not fine for a toddler to demand “boob” and pull down his mother’s shirt in public. As much as you want to claim it is.

It is fine.

If you can’t handle being in public you should stay home.

If your toddler can't handle being in public without nursing, that family should stay home.

See how that works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a YOU problem. I would have just ... looked away. Maybe you need earbuds.

Or perhaps some calming meds to go with your whine and cheese.

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Thanks for proving my point.

Judgmental twats who build up baseless narratives to defend their asshatness certainly aren’t worth worrying about.

Ok as long as you own it. But then do not get all hurt and indignant when someone comments on your permissive parenting or they don’t extend the same permissiveness to your child as you do.

LOL. More baseless narratives. The more defensive you get, the more creative they get.

MYOB.

Your posts are getting more and more unhinged and nonsensical. You lose.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:A speaking toddler can wait for his boobies. We’re not talking about an infant who is ebf.

Can? Maybe. But doesn’t have to just because op is big mad.

Doesn’t have to - but if mom makes this choice she is going to be judged as gross, rude and as having poor parenting skills.

Only by judgmental twats. So not worth worrying about.

Seeing entitled children inspires revulsion. This kind of behavior is really on the same spectrum as a child screaming and tantruming in a store to get candy and being given it. Or seeing a child that hits their mother and swears. It is extremely permissive and inept parenting and it makes people mad to see. because more broadly we are a society, and poorly raised children impact all of us.

Thanks for proving my point.

Judgmental twats who build up baseless narratives to defend their asshatness certainly aren’t worth worrying about.

The irony in the room is so thick.

It's funny how the permissive parents think saying the word "twat" is somehow making an argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's natural and I don't have a problem with it.

For people who say that a baby asking for it is too old--I just have to wonder if they have limited experience with babies/toddlers. Babies "ask for it" from early days with crying, rooting, getting fussy. Words come sometime that first year, and if you teach the sign for milk it can come even earlier than that. Are those babies not allowed to eat either, because they asked?

I also think it's important to consider breastfeeding laws in terms of the rights of the *mother* not just the child. Should she have to leave a public space because her baby is eating? How is that fair or right?

I admit that the word "boob" in this context makes me wince a bit but it's minor in the scheme of things.

If the baby is EBF then no. We are talking about a toddler. Toddlers eat food. Leave the gallery and feed your child.

[Anonymous]

Should a mother have to leave a public space because her 12 year old is eating?