Did your DMV private do better than Westminster Atlanta?

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Anonymous wrote:Factually BC, Wake, and Nova are nowhere near a top 25 school. The difference between a ND and Vandy is huge. And the overall college atmosphere at UGA, Wisconsin, UTexas , or Florida is much better than those 3 privates at $90k a year.

Didn’t realize there was that big a gap between ND and Vandy.

There is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly if they don’t get in a top 30 why bother. Wake Forest, Boston College Villanova, Tulane are 40-60. Go to UGA, Florida, Wisconsin or IU.

Because the actual education is far better at the private colleges. No one at our private even considers UGA, UGl, or IU.

The median student at those privates wouldn't hack it at honors programs at UF and and UGA. The profs are less involved at those privates too. Easy marks are found at private high schools and easily part with hundreds of thousands for the "prestige" of a private university outside the T35 (really the bare minimum to justify 400k in expenses over four years).

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Why do you care so much? The graduates I know from schools like Wake & BC are all working on Wall Street. They’re in New York City and doing well for themselves. They probably would have the same outcome, regardless of where they went. Who cares? Their parents can easily afford it.

Thanks for your first hand observations. Statistically, a ton of grads from those schools are in student debt and most don’t work on Wall Street (I’m assuming you are including IT and HR).

I care because posters scoff at UF, a much better academic and social experience.

I am not including IT and HR. And only talking about the few kids (males) I personally know. High-achieving kids studying finance and business at both. Ended up doing really well. Can't speak to everyone's experience, probably. They also had great personal networks coming from our private HS.
It would have likely been the same outcome wherever they went.

It doesn't matter.

Now some sweeping gender implications. What did the female kids there do, get an Mrs. and abstain from birth control?

Weirdo

The poster said he only met men there on Wall Street, and the school is part of an organization against all contraception. Weird school.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly if they don’t get in a top 30 why bother. Wake Forest, Boston College Villanova, Tulane are 40-60. Go to UGA, Florida, Wisconsin or IU.

Because the actual education is far better at the private colleges. No one at our private even considers UGA, UGl, or IU.

The median student at those privates wouldn't hack it at honors programs at UF and and UGA. The profs are less involved at those privates too. Easy marks are found at private high schools and easily part with hundreds of thousands for the "prestige" of a private university outside the T35 (really the bare minimum to justify 400k in expenses over four years).

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Why do you care so much? The graduates I know from schools like Wake & BC are all working on Wall Street. They’re in New York City and doing well for themselves. They probably would have the same outcome, regardless of where they went. Who cares? Their parents can easily afford it.

Thanks for your first hand observations. Statistically, a ton of grads from those schools are in student debt and most don’t work on Wall Street (I’m assuming you are including IT and HR).

I care because posters scoff at UF, a much better academic and social experience.

WSJ ranks UF at 194 for salary outcomes while BC is at 52 and Wake is at 139.

WSJ salary rankings are entirely ROI-based, though the ROI is based on average net cost of students.

The issues of self reported and DoE reported income rankings has been discussed many times. Most student data isn’t accessible and students don’t report it. Reasonable people don’t tell pollsters their net worth or how many times they do the deed with their spouse each week.

The WSJ relied on neither of those. Feel free to research their methodology vs just spewing bullshit.

In your response you didn’t provide anything to support UF salary outcomes.

What data does the WSJ have access to then if it isn’t self reported income or Dept of Education income data from students who took out loans? Did they subpoena all graduates and get their W-2 and K-1s?

I’m not going to argue with you over worthless data sets. UF grads have better things to do then send strangers their personal finances

Considering the generally crappy jobs they get…seems like they have plenty of free time.

Of course you won’t argue…you have nothing to support your argument. You are so lazy you can’t even Google the WSJ.

UF feeds into Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, and Atlanta, all booming job markets. BC isn’t even in the top three schools in Boston. Saying it is ranked 52 for financial outcomes isn’t some own, that’s bad in a methodologically unsound ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has totally gone off point, but the purpose of public universities is to educate as many kids as possible at the lowest price possible, which benefits society overall. But only a few offer an experience comparable to private universities — Berkeley, GaTech, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Michigan, and William and Mary. The rest are vastly overrated by the current USNews criteria.

None of those publics offer the “experience” of a top private university.

Now, they do provide the same opportunities for graduates, but the college experience will be very different at GA Tech vs MIT or CMU.

Some may think that experience is better, some may think worse…but it will be quite different.

A top private is a T20. Nova BC WF are very different from those schools and lack the same intellectual caliber.

Again, several of us have told you we disagree. Feel free to send your own kid to UF. I would not.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has totally gone off point, but the purpose of public universities is to educate as many kids as possible at the lowest price possible, which benefits society overall. But only a few offer an experience comparable to private universities — Berkeley, GaTech, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Michigan, and William and Mary. The rest are vastly overrated by the current USNews criteria.

None of those publics offer the “experience” of a top private university.

Now, they do provide the same opportunities for graduates, but the college experience will be very different at GA Tech vs MIT or CMU.

Some may think that experience is better, some may think worse…but it will be quite different.

A top private is a T20. Nova BC WF are very different from those schools and lack the same intellectual caliber.

Again, several of us have told you we disagree. Feel free to send your own kid to UF. I would not.

My kid isn’t going to UF, he got into a T20. But if I had to choose between UF and nova BC WF I know the obvious answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Difference between ND and a Vandy vs a Wake, BC, and Nova is huge.

When the current seniors entered, US News ranked ND 18th and Wake Forest 29th, the only thing that has changed at either school since then is the U.S. News ranking criteria which currently (and probably not for much longer) includes dei criteria. Both schools continue to get record apps each year. Arguing that there is some dramatic difference in outcomes between the two schools is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has totally gone off point, but the purpose of public universities is to educate as many kids as possible at the lowest price possible, which benefits society overall. But only a few offer an experience comparable to private universities — Berkeley, GaTech, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Michigan, and William and Mary. The rest are vastly overrated by the current USNews criteria.

None of those publics offer the “experience” of a top private university.

Now, they do provide the same opportunities for graduates, but the college experience will be very different at GA Tech vs MIT or CMU.

Some may think that experience is better, some may think worse…but it will be quite different.

A top private is a T20. Nova BC WF are very different from those schools and lack the same intellectual caliber.

Again, several of us have told you we disagree. Feel free to send your own kid to UF. I would not.

My kid isn’t going to UF, he got into a T20. But if I had to choose between UF and nova BC WF I know the obvious answer.

No one believes you. No one argues for hours on a beautiful Saturday about schools they don’t have a personal connection to. Hope your kid doesn’t have too many online classes at UF.

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Anonymous wrote:Difference between ND and a Vandy vs a Wake, BC, and Nova is huge.

When the current seniors entered, US News ranked ND 18th and Wake Forest 29th, the only thing that has changed at either school since then is the U.S. News ranking criteria which currently (and probably not for much longer) includes dei criteria. Both schools continue to get record apps each year. Arguing that there is some dramatic difference in outcomes between the two schools is silly.

T20 v T30 is a world of difference in student caliber and university resources.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has totally gone off point, but the purpose of public universities is to educate as many kids as possible at the lowest price possible, which benefits society overall. But only a few offer an experience comparable to private universities — Berkeley, GaTech, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Michigan, and William and Mary. The rest are vastly overrated by the current USNews criteria.

None of those publics offer the “experience” of a top private university.

Now, they do provide the same opportunities for graduates, but the college experience will be very different at GA Tech vs MIT or CMU.

Some may think that experience is better, some may think worse…but it will be quite different.

A top private is a T20. Nova BC WF are very different from those schools and lack the same intellectual caliber.

Again, several of us have told you we disagree. Feel free to send your own kid to UF. I would not.

My kid isn’t going to UF, he got into a T20. But if I had to choose between UF and nova BC WF I know the obvious answer.

No one believes you. No one argues for hours on a beautiful Saturday about schools they don’t have a personal connection to. Hope your kid doesn’t have too many online classes at UF.

It takes a minute to respond to your deleted posts about the WSJ rankings that include ad hominem.

You do know Harvard has a ton of online and continuing education courses right? Does that diminish the university in your eyes?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has totally gone off point, but the purpose of public universities is to educate as many kids as possible at the lowest price possible, which benefits society overall. But only a few offer an experience comparable to private universities — Berkeley, GaTech, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Michigan, and William and Mary. The rest are vastly overrated by the current USNews criteria.

None of those publics offer the “experience” of a top private university.

Now, they do provide the same opportunities for graduates, but the college experience will be very different at GA Tech vs MIT or CMU.

Some may think that experience is better, some may think worse…but it will be quite different.

A top private is a T20. Nova BC WF are very different from those schools and lack the same intellectual caliber.

Again, several of us have told you we disagree. Feel free to send your own kid to UF. I would not.

My kid isn’t going to UF, he got into a T20. But if I had to choose between UF and nova BC WF I know the obvious answer.

No one believes you. No one argues for hours on a beautiful Saturday about schools they don’t have a personal connection to. Hope your kid doesn’t have too many online classes at UF.

It takes a minute to respond to your deleted posts about the WSJ rankings that include ad hominem.

You do know Harvard has a ton of online and continuing education courses right? Does that diminish the university in your eyes?

I didn’t post about the WSJ, there are quite a few of us responding to one of you. Because we have lives. Enjoy your weekend.

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Disagree big problem with Wake is that they are and always will be in the shadows of Duke in all aspects except men’s golf. Likewise BC surrounded by many better schools.

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Why are you fighting about this? its so weird and bizarro.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you fighting about this? its so weird and bizarro.

I said UF is ranked higher and is a better financial value than BC and one BC parent exploded repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree big problem with Wake is that they are and always will be in the shadows of Duke in all aspects except men’s golf. Likewise BC surrounded by many better schools.

Crediting. Tufts BU Northeastern MIT HC Harvard. Brown is an hour away

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3-Harvard
1-MIT
2-USC
1-UChicago
3-BU
1-Columbia
1-Duke
2-Stanford
1-Berkeley
14-UGA
1-Yale
1-Penn
9-UVa
11-Gatech
1-Brown
2-Georgetown
2-Notre Dame
7-Wake Forest
1-UCLA
1-Hopkins
3-Vanderbilt
3-UMich
3-UNC
2-Dartmouth
2-Emory
2-Northwestern
6-BC
2-WashU
2-Tufts

This forum loves to pretend southern high-schools are all horrible.

Yes, Sidwell did better. I’ll focus on Ivy+ universities here because: (1) they tend to be the most selective, and (2) a lot of schools on Westminster’s list are not popular with Sidwell students (e.g., UGA, GT, WF, etc).

Keep in mind that Westminster’s graduating class is nearly twice as large as Sidwell’s.

3-Harvard
1-Columbia
2-Yale
5-Penn
3-Brown
2-Dartmouth
3-Cornell
3-Princeton
2-MIT
2-Stanford
5-UChicago

Looks like ~ 25% success rate . Means 75% headed to target/safety schools . So for majority of parents Sidwell was NOT a good deal?