Adolescence on Netflix

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There are no easy answers. Humans are brutish and will likely forever be that way.

Kids were stabbing raping and torturing each other way before social media even existed. Put every teenager in community sports, youth groups, etc. after school, take away their phones/computers forever, and they’ll still find ways to bully each other and be heartless.

Maybe Jamie (and Katie) could have been saved. Maybe not. But I feel the hysteria over social media is somewhat overblown. I’m not saying we just give up on trying to make things better but I don’t see the show as attempting to provide one correct answer to one tidy problem.


Well, there is lots of science that disagrees with you (about harms inflicted by social media ).
Anonymous
Ok blame everything on social media then. Let’s go back to the *good old days* that never actually existed.
Anonymous
I think the show had the opposite effect than it intended. If anything it will increase the misogyny and incel movement
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.


Boy moms detest the show because female aggression and bullying is never addressed. Most middle school teachers or parents will tell you the girls are where the viciousness lies. Most girls who commit suicide do it because of other girls not because of a boy.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.

You just condoned it.

Women don’t need to be nice to creeps who won’t take a hint. No one should be murdered for “not being nice enough”. Gfy.


Wow, you sound mental. The kid asked her to go to a fair. Why does that make him a creep? No wonder teen boys don't want to date anymore. She had every right to reject him but she could have been kind about it. The world would be a better place if we were all a little bit kinder to each other. I was asked out all the time in HS. If I wasn't interested I was direct but kind about it. There is no reason to make someone feel bad.


Kid waited until she'd been shamed, participated in the shaming (he looked at her pics), and then thought he could pick her up because she was vulnerable... and you want us to think about HIS feelings?

The problem. You're part of it.


Men's biggest fear is a woman laughing at them

Women's biggest fear is a man murdering them


I don’t think murder is a woman’s ultimate fear especially not at that age when they feel invincible. I think it’s the same fear a guy has: being laughed at or rejected.

With this knowledge, why is social media bullying not something social media platforms have taken a bigger stance about? Why are likes on a post even a thing?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.


Boy moms detest the show because female aggression and bullying is never addressed. Most middle school teachers or parents will tell you the girls are where the viciousness lies. Most girls who commit suicide do it because of other girls not because of a boy.


Boy moms with the "boys will be boys" is disgusting.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.


Boy moms detest the show because female aggression and bullying is never addressed. Most middle school teachers or parents will tell you the girls are where the viciousness lies. Most girls who commit suicide do it because of other girls not because of a boy.


Boy moms with the "boys will be boys" is disgusting.


+ 1. See above.

Hey boymom- the creators of Adolescence are not actually suggesting that Katie bullied Jamie. I would explain this with specific references to episode 2 but don’t wish to waste any more time here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Can confirm, British schools are really that s***.



Yes and Australian (and I say that as a proud Aussie). Absolute misogyny.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.


Boy moms detest the show because female aggression and bullying is never addressed. Most middle school teachers or parents will tell you the girls are where the viciousness lies. Most girls who commit suicide do it because of other girls not because of a boy.


Boy moms with the "boys will be boys" is disgusting.


+ 1. See above.

Hey boymom- the creators of Adolescence are not actually suggesting that Katie bullied Jamie. I would explain this with specific references to episode 2 but don’t wish to waste any more time here.


Boy moms do not say boys will be boys. That is what the show suggested. The cop decided to bond with his bullied son after realizing bullying led to Jamie’s rage
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Ok blame everything on social media then. Let’s go back to the *good old days* that never actually existed.


Right, because we have no other options. 🙄

How about being the adults in the room. Realize that a new product damaged many children, and come up with sound regulations.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the boy but kindness goes a long way. Has the girl been kind and rejected him kindly, she probably wouldn’t die.


So what would he have done?

Oh okay, bye!



She assaulted him first by pushing him. If he did only that to her, it would’ve been seen as assault. I think his friend Ryan convinced him to take the knife and threaten her, but when she pushed him down and laughed and probably called him a wimp/or p word, he lost it.

The show doesn’t make the girl look good. This show is just as much a lesson to girl parents as it is boy parents but Western media will only paint the “toxic masculinity” angle and not discuss the girls. In reality, middle school girls are vicious even to each other and are far worse than boys. Girls mature faster than boys


The Trumpists and boymoms detest this show, which proves it is really onto something.


Boy moms detest the show because female aggression and bullying is never addressed. Most middle school teachers or parents will tell you the girls are where the viciousness lies. Most girls who commit suicide do it because of other girls not because of a boy.


How weird that you are cheering “Team Boy” about a show in which a young girl was brutally stabbed to death.

Talk about having a chip on your shoulder!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's good and very affecting. I don't have a tween boy but I do have a tween girl and it did make me think about parenting quite a bit.

I feel like my primary takeaway is that parents need to be aware of how badly children need their families, and especially their parents, to give them a sense of belonging and worth. The bullying and the social media and the crap school environment and toxic masculinity are part of this particular story too, but what I really took away from it is the idea that human beings desperately need the security of knowing they are loved, wanted, and valued. And kids can really only get that from their families. Maybe once in a blue moon someone can provide that to a child outside of the family environment, but I think even in that situation, if the child isn't feeling that love and belonging from their family, those feelings of worthlessness will creep in and that's how you lose kids to all the rest of it.

I think the story hits home because in this case, the child developed those feelings of worthlessness and winds up externalizing them. I agree he winds up with a personality disorder and, as other posters have pointed out, he simple does not have the capacity to feel empathy or shame, instead just lies and blames to escape any feeling of responsibility (though the final development indicates maybe that changes).

But not all kids are going to externalize it. For some kids maybe it become self harm. Or maybe some kids are better at masking and coping and it just becomes persistent low self esteem and impacts their ability to socialize, their resilience as people. They may never hurt someone else the way Jaime does, and they may never hurt themselves in a way that is visible to others, but they may *hurt* because that wound of feeling like you have no worth, no sense of belonging, never goes away.

Anyway. Take some time to make sure your kid knows they have a place in your home, that you love them for them, that they have value as people regardless of how they perform at school or sports or whatever. That they belong. It's as important as making sure they eat and go to school. It's essential.
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This is a strange take. The show took great strides to show that the boy had a stable family life. There were many scenes, like the 10 minute car ride in episode four, showing how connected and loving the parents were. The point of this actually seemed to be that despite having a stable loving family life, children can end up with trauma of one kind or another. Which is true.

In adolescence, your peers and life at school become more important and impactful than your family life. Of course having a loving family is always important, but your peers have a greater impact on your overall well-being in adolescence (esp late teens) than your family, as a general rule.
Anonymous
So sad the boy in Frisco who stabbed and killed another student didn’t watch this show.
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