RTO EO is up

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trump supporter but enough is enough. Time to get back to the office. Sorry folks.

I was WAH two days a week before the pandemic. 95% of the people who I know who have left my agency have gone to fully remote industry positions. For lots of jobs there really isn’t much benefit to being in person *once you have figured out how to work remotely*.

Remote hiring has been incredibly helpful for filling positions with rare expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:What are we thinking at SEC?

My view is this EO is cover for the agency heads who want staff back full time - and want to please the WH - to do so. Some obviously really really want to please Trump - see Marco Rubio and make Maga happy. But what about outsiders like Atkins? I mean he's a Trump appointee so I can see wanting to play ball. But he's not looking to run for political office either and may not be interested in engaging in a ongoing fight with the union over every little thing. Are the financial regulators going to run with the "applicable law" part - i.e. we have a CBA in place?

I live close to the office so NBD for me but I def have colleagues who are worried who bought houses as far as Richmond.

The SEC will promulgate a policy with as much wiggle room as the EO. Managerial discretion, exemptions, ad hoc, blah blah blah. I don’t envy managers who will be dealing with this as their full time job now.

But will it try to apply it to bargaining unit employees and rescind the CBA

They'll try but the CBA is a contract - it's not like you can rescind it without litigation which drags it out a number of years.

And in the meantime employees are coming into the office five days per week!

You clearly don’t understand labor law, contracts or injunctions, so please step aside.

You seem awfully confident a judge would issue an injunction.

DP. Given that contact provisions usually have an escape clause, there is no guarantee of an injunction. The standard for getting one is high.

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If you're not a fed and you're posting on this thread, you really need to reevaluate your life.

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Sorry everyone, but check out the DHS memo if you want to see how things are going to shake out. Basically going to be two kinds of people in the fed gov, those who ride out in office and those who quit. Doing away with remote work is a policy initiative that is being pushed with the same fervor as putting a man on the moon, so best prepare for how you are going to proceed in the next 30 days. In 2 years you will all be in a conference room watching your agency head emphatically congratulating you all for finally returning to work, except for the 2% of people with telework RAs on the conference call.

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Awfully quiet from the union no? NTEU?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting they only addressed remote work vs telework. What is it like 10% of people are remote? Seems like a small group to go after vs targeting TW.

I think that depends how you parse it.

take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis--meaning require those remote work employees to return in person

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take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements --end full remote work
AND require [ALL] employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis

Either way, the "as soon as practicable," "allow necessary exemptions," and "comply with applicable laws" leaves a lot of discretion.

This exactly. I love lawyers and the attention to language.

I’m pretty sure they mean for remote work arrangements to include partial telework agreements. It would not make sense for this to apply only to full time remote works and for only current full time remote workers to be required to be in the office five days a week and for everyone else to continue a two day a week telework agreement.

Nothing these derps do “makes sense” so that can’t be the measure.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. No one is going to actually do this. I don’t and they can fire me if they want.

Ditto

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Why would anybody work for the federal government? It sincerely seems like the worst place to work. All the turn over, all the changes in policies every 4 years, directives changing with the incoming and outgoing admirations. The brain drain will be swift and real. Then all the republicans can cry about how "nothing is getting done" when they call to get their Medicaid and Social security.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anybody work for the federal government? It sincerely seems like the worst place to work. All the turn over, all the changes in policies every 4 years, directives changing with the incoming and outgoing admirations. The brain drain will be swift and real. Then all the republicans can cry about how "nothing is getting done" when they call to get their Medicaid and Social security.

It was fine before the fascists appeared

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trump supporter but enough is enough. Time to get back to the office. Sorry folks.

Are you back in the office? If so, why do you think its ok to post here constantly instead of working?

Everyone is distracted at work. Not just Feds or contractors. Cashiers, restaurants workers, teachers, etc. before remote work, I spent hours surfing at my desk in the office. The guy next to me used to watch Netflix all the time. Grr we tying a cup of coffee took 15 minutes after stopping at each cubicle to chat. So, stop it. No one is constantly working, in the office or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet from the union no? NTEU?

Honestly I think NTEU is trying to stay under the radar while working through this.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're not a fed and you're posting on this thread, you really need to reevaluate your life.

So do you.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry everyone, but check out the DHS memo if you want to see how things are going to shake out. Basically going to be two kinds of people in the fed gov, those who ride out in office and those who quit. Doing away with remote work is a policy initiative that is being pushed with the same fervor as putting a man on the moon, so best prepare for how you are going to proceed in the next 30 days. In 2 years you will all be in a conference room watching your agency head emphatically congratulating you all for finally returning to work, except for the 2% of people with telework RAs on the conference call.

You forgot a third group: those who stick around and make them actually fire us if that's what they really want to do. I'm not quitting. I like my job, I'm good at it, and I genuinely believe I'm contributing to the betterment of humanity. But I'm also not returning 5 days per week.

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Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet from the union no? NTEU?

Honestly I think NTEU is trying to stay under the radar while working through this.

They represent bargaining units in a number of agencies - they probably are working on coming up with one consistent message here. I'm kind of surprised that wasn't done in advance but like most of this thread I'm guessing they've got their lawyers debating the words of the order, checking CBAs etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry everyone, but check out the DHS memo if you want to see how things are going to shake out. Basically going to be two kinds of people in the fed gov, those who ride out in office and those who quit. Doing away with remote work is a policy initiative that is being pushed with the same fervor as putting a man on the moon, so best prepare for how you are going to proceed in the next 30 days. In 2 years you will all be in a conference room watching your agency head emphatically congratulating you all for finally returning to work, except for the 2% of people with telework RAs on the conference call.

You forgot a third group: those who stick around and make them actually fire us if that's what they really want to do. I'm not quitting. I like my job, I'm good at it, and I genuinely believe I'm contributing to the betterment of humanity. But I'm also not returning 5 days per week.

THIS. I mean I hate my job so it ain't that but it's the SEC so it pays well. I'm not quitting it but I'm also not coming back 5 days a week - let them make the move.