Two child homicides in Cleveland Park/Van Ness apartment buildings in eight days

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People should look up MPD crime cards before renting. Forest Hills Connect has written many pieces on issues in buildings in that stretch, but it is all rentals and rented condos and not unique to DC. It’s illegal to discriminate against vouchers and both Racine and Schwab have sued. The problems are very noticeable in big buildings, but 1 resident has caused havoc in 4600 Connecticut condo building when owners left country and wanted to maximize take in rental of unit.

There are lots of threads about vouchers on this site, DeAndre deserves the focus to stay on him here.

This was an issue during the last Ward 3 council race. Frumin refused to support a voucher moratorium like his opponent did. Despite this PSA having the largest crime increase in the city. He owns a big part of this.

Why do you want to make this all about vouchers in Ward 3? Are you more concerned about the death of an innocent five year old or the sliver of your taxes that (maybe) go to the vouchers that housed him and his family? Or do you just want to seize the opportunity to try to score a cheap political point?

A housing voucher that allowed this family to live in Ward 3 sure as heck didn't contribute to the death of this kid. But the failures of USAO to prosecute his father for a previous incident of domestic violence and of city agencies to reduce the risk of domestic violence harming someone else in the family potentially did.

I'd really like to read your explanation of why you think it more important to use this thread to discuss a voucher moratorium rather than the circumstances that preceded this kid's death and how we can prevent such heinous acts from happening again in our city, whether that be in Ward 3 or in Ward 8.

The voucher program has destabilized a once safe place to live. It’s put thousands of law abiding citizens at risk on a daily basis, many of which are female senior citizens living alone in these buildings. We know it to be true because we have the data and we have our own eyes. It led to the worst increase in crime in city in this exact PSA. I’d like to read your explanation about why we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this exact moment.

Because this is a thread about two kids who were beaten to death, not about whether you are comfortable with your new neighbors. If you want to start that thread, go ahead - it should be interesting.

This thread encompasses all. What if your elderly widowed mother lived in this once-safe building?

I would help her move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People should look up MPD crime cards before renting. Forest Hills Connect has written many pieces on issues in buildings in that stretch, but it is all rentals and rented condos and not unique to DC. It’s illegal to discriminate against vouchers and both Racine and Schwab have sued. The problems are very noticeable in big buildings, but 1 resident has caused havoc in 4600 Connecticut condo building when owners left country and wanted to maximize take in rental of unit.

There are lots of threads about vouchers on this site, DeAndre deserves the focus to stay on him here.

This was an issue during the last Ward 3 council race. Frumin refused to support a voucher moratorium like his opponent did. Despite this PSA having the largest crime increase in the city. He owns a big part of this.

Why do you want to make this all about vouchers in Ward 3? Are you more concerned about the death of an innocent five year old or the sliver of your taxes that (maybe) go to the vouchers that housed him and his family? Or do you just want to seize the opportunity to try to score a cheap political point?

A housing voucher that allowed this family to live in Ward 3 sure as heck didn't contribute to the death of this kid. But the failures of USAO to prosecute his father for a previous incident of domestic violence and of city agencies to reduce the risk of domestic violence harming someone else in the family potentially did.

I'd really like to read your explanation of why you think it more important to use this thread to discuss a voucher moratorium rather than the circumstances that preceded this kid's death and how we can prevent such heinous acts from happening again in our city, whether that be in Ward 3 or in Ward 8.

The voucher program has destabilized a once safe place to live. It’s put thousands of law abiding citizens at risk on a daily basis, many of which are female senior citizens living alone in these buildings. We know it to be true because we have the data and we have our own eyes. It led to the worst increase in crime in city in this exact PSA. I’d like to read your explanation about why we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this exact moment.

Because this is a thread about two kids who were beaten to death, not about whether you are comfortable with your new neighbors. If you want to start that thread, go ahead - it should be interesting.

These are interrelated issues. If the voucher program required oversight, perhaps the conditions of these children's lives would have been found before one was murdered.

This has nothing to do with the friggin’ voucher program. Did you really miss the part in this whole sordid tale where the father was arrested for DV, his three kids were taken off him, the kids were returned when the USAO dropped the charges, and CFS didn’t bother to keep tabs on the family? Or did you just ignore it because it’s not convenient for your narrative? If city services can’t do their job properly when the father of a family under their care picked up a DV charge, what the hell makes you think they would have done it had the Council mandated it for every single voucher recipient in the city? This is really silly stuff you’re bringing here.

Per an article by NBC 4 CFS continued to monitor for a time. Given the violence and squalor, it ended too soon or they should not have reunified or removed again. That is where the focus should be, this is not a housing issue. Bowser and the Council have direct control over CFS, little to none over USAO.

Let Matt Graves know what you think of the decision to not even request a GPS monitor.

https://x.com/USAttyGraves

Not sure if it would matter, think they still only monitor them 9-5, M-F, at least that was the case recently, but, still sends a signal to perp and public.

[Anonymous]

https://x.com/MayorBowser

Public communication may be more impactful than email.

Bowser is well aware that CFS is a frequent visitor to Connecticut House. She was told in person at the press conference after the Days Inn homicide. CFS is directly tasked with protecting children. If their guidelines or budget need to be adjusted, that is Bowser and the Council has oversight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People should look up MPD crime cards before renting. Forest Hills Connect has written many pieces on issues in buildings in that stretch, but it is all rentals and rented condos and not unique to DC. It’s illegal to discriminate against vouchers and both Racine and Schwab have sued. The problems are very noticeable in big buildings, but 1 resident has caused havoc in 4600 Connecticut condo building when owners left country and wanted to maximize take in rental of unit.

There are lots of threads about vouchers on this site, DeAndre deserves the focus to stay on him here.

This was an issue during the last Ward 3 council race. Frumin refused to support a voucher moratorium like his opponent did. Despite this PSA having the largest crime increase in the city. He owns a big part of this.

Why do you want to make this all about vouchers in Ward 3? Are you more concerned about the death of an innocent five year old or the sliver of your taxes that (maybe) go to the vouchers that housed him and his family? Or do you just want to seize the opportunity to try to score a cheap political point?

A housing voucher that allowed this family to live in Ward 3 sure as heck didn't contribute to the death of this kid. But the failures of USAO to prosecute his father for a previous incident of domestic violence and of city agencies to reduce the risk of domestic violence harming someone else in the family potentially did.

I'd really like to read your explanation of why you think it more important to use this thread to discuss a voucher moratorium rather than the circumstances that preceded this kid's death and how we can prevent such heinous acts from happening again in our city, whether that be in Ward 3 or in Ward 8.

The voucher program has destabilized a once safe place to live. It’s put thousands of law abiding citizens at risk on a daily basis, many of which are female senior citizens living alone in these buildings. We know it to be true because we have the data and we have our own eyes. It led to the worst increase in crime in city in this exact PSA. I’d like to read your explanation about why we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this exact moment.

Because this is a thread about two kids who were beaten to death, not about whether you are comfortable with your new neighbors. If you want to start that thread, go ahead - it should be interesting.

This thread encompasses all. What if your elderly widowed mother lived in this once-safe building?

But she doesn’t. And as much problems as there are with the voucher program, using a kid’s death as an opportunity to make cheap political points about de-gentrification of your neighborhood is incredibly despicable.

Unfortunately there are plenty of opportunities to criticize this program. Two dead kids. Women getting thrown out windows. Multiple shootings along Connecticut Avenue. Rampant marijuana smoking in the alleys and parks. Consumer goods locked behind glass. Property crimes through the roof. And plenty more. All in a once safe part of the city. Not saying the voucher residents should leave. But can’t we at least pump the breaks until the City gets its act together? The fact that Frumin isn’t demanding a pause means he’s part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

That would be a separate thread, PP, there are many about vouchers in this sub to join or start a new one.

The death of these 2 young kids, one of whom was a MD resident is not a housing or building issue. A roof did not fall on them, they were killed by violent adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That would be a separate thread, PP, there are many about vouchers in this sub to join or start a new one.

The death of these 2 young kids, one of whom was a MD resident is not a housing or building issue. A roof did not fall on them, they were killed by violent adults.

After five years of this please forgive us for not following proper chat board etiquette. We’re tired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That would be a separate thread, PP, there are many about vouchers in this sub to join or start a new one.

The death of these 2 young kids, one of whom was a MD resident is not a housing or building issue. A roof did not fall on them, they were killed by violent adults.

After five years of this please forgive us for not following proper chat board etiquette. We’re tired.

I live in the neighborhood and am well familiar. But 2 kids are DEAD. One lived in MD. No one held in either case. Nothing to do with housing. This thread is about Journee and DeAndre and how authorities failed to protect them and have failed to hold killers accountable.

Stop derailing. Were not killed by stranger voucher holders. DeAndre had been monitored by CFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People should look up MPD crime cards before renting. Forest Hills Connect has written many pieces on issues in buildings in that stretch, but it is all rentals and rented condos and not unique to DC. It’s illegal to discriminate against vouchers and both Racine and Schwab have sued. The problems are very noticeable in big buildings, but 1 resident has caused havoc in 4600 Connecticut condo building when owners left country and wanted to maximize take in rental of unit.

There are lots of threads about vouchers on this site, DeAndre deserves the focus to stay on him here.

This was an issue during the last Ward 3 council race. Frumin refused to support a voucher moratorium like his opponent did. Despite this PSA having the largest crime increase in the city. He owns a big part of this.

Why do you want to make this all about vouchers in Ward 3? Are you more concerned about the death of an innocent five year old or the sliver of your taxes that (maybe) go to the vouchers that housed him and his family? Or do you just want to seize the opportunity to try to score a cheap political point?

A housing voucher that allowed this family to live in Ward 3 sure as heck didn't contribute to the death of this kid. But the failures of USAO to prosecute his father for a previous incident of domestic violence and of city agencies to reduce the risk of domestic violence harming someone else in the family potentially did.

I'd really like to read your explanation of why you think it more important to use this thread to discuss a voucher moratorium rather than the circumstances that preceded this kid's death and how we can prevent such heinous acts from happening again in our city, whether that be in Ward 3 or in Ward 8.

The voucher program has destabilized a once safe place to live. It’s put thousands of law abiding citizens at risk on a daily basis, many of which are female senior citizens living alone in these buildings. We know it to be true because we have the data and we have our own eyes. It led to the worst increase in crime in city in this exact PSA. I’d like to read your explanation about why we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this exact moment.

Because this is a thread about two kids who were beaten to death, not about whether you are comfortable with your new neighbors. If you want to start that thread, go ahead - it should be interesting.

This thread encompasses all. What if your elderly widowed mother lived in this once-safe building?

But she doesn’t. And as much problems as there are with the voucher program, using a kid’s death as an opportunity to make cheap political points about de-gentrification of your neighborhood is incredibly despicable.

Unfortunately there are plenty of opportunities to criticize this program. Two dead kids. Women getting thrown out windows. Multiple shootings along Connecticut Avenue. Rampant marijuana smoking in the alleys and parks. Consumer goods locked behind glass. Property crimes through the roof. And plenty more. All in a once safe part of the city. Not saying the voucher residents should leave. But can’t we at least pump the breaks until the City gets its act together? The fact that Frumin isn’t demanding a pause means he’s part of the problem.

Frumin and Bowser are responsible for this mess, forcing Ward 3 to “welcome” crime, deviancy and disorder. They must go.

[Anonymous]

https://cfsa.dc.gov/biography/tanya-torres-trice#gsc.tab=0

Another party deserving of outraged emails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People should look up MPD crime cards before renting. Forest Hills Connect has written many pieces on issues in buildings in that stretch, but it is all rentals and rented condos and not unique to DC. It’s illegal to discriminate against vouchers and both Racine and Schwab have sued. The problems are very noticeable in big buildings, but 1 resident has caused havoc in 4600 Connecticut condo building when owners left country and wanted to maximize take in rental of unit.

There are lots of threads about vouchers on this site, DeAndre deserves the focus to stay on him here.

This was an issue during the last Ward 3 council race. Frumin refused to support a voucher moratorium like his opponent did. Despite this PSA having the largest crime increase in the city. He owns a big part of this.

Why do you want to make this all about vouchers in Ward 3? Are you more concerned about the death of an innocent five year old or the sliver of your taxes that (maybe) go to the vouchers that housed him and his family? Or do you just want to seize the opportunity to try to score a cheap political point?

A housing voucher that allowed this family to live in Ward 3 sure as heck didn't contribute to the death of this kid. But the failures of USAO to prosecute his father for a previous incident of domestic violence and of city agencies to reduce the risk of domestic violence harming someone else in the family potentially did.

I'd really like to read your explanation of why you think it more important to use this thread to discuss a voucher moratorium rather than the circumstances that preceded this kid's death and how we can prevent such heinous acts from happening again in our city, whether that be in Ward 3 or in Ward 8.

The voucher program has destabilized a once safe place to live. It’s put thousands of law abiding citizens at risk on a daily basis, many of which are female senior citizens living alone in these buildings. We know it to be true because we have the data and we have our own eyes. It led to the worst increase in crime in city in this exact PSA. I’d like to read your explanation about why we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this exact moment.

Because this is a thread about two kids who were beaten to death, not about whether you are comfortable with your new neighbors. If you want to start that thread, go ahead - it should be interesting.

This thread encompasses all. What if your elderly widowed mother lived in this once-safe building?

But she doesn’t. And as much problems as there are with the voucher program, using a kid’s death as an opportunity to make cheap political points about de-gentrification of your neighborhood is incredibly despicable.

Unfortunately there are plenty of opportunities to criticize this program. Two dead kids. Women getting thrown out windows. Multiple shootings along Connecticut Avenue. Rampant marijuana smoking in the alleys and parks. Consumer goods locked behind glass. Property crimes through the roof. And plenty more. All in a once safe part of the city. Not saying the voucher residents should leave. But can’t we at least pump the breaks until the City gets its act together? The fact that Frumin isn’t demanding a pause means he’s part of the problem.

I’d argue they’re very expensive political points. Because - yes you’re right - I don’t want de-gentrification. I don’t want families and elderly aging in place or any one single individual feel unsafe or have to move from their home because a bunch of reckless criminals are moved in for free. You’re right. No de-gentrification.

What you’re wrong about assuming, is that if I don’t want it here, I want it somewhere else. No no. I don’t want these criminals in *any* community in our society. What I want is these criminals prosecuted fully and thrown in jail but we can’t do that either because that doesn’t look good politically … so where exactly do you want them?

And I want to be clear here, you started the assumption of the race involved when you used the term de-gentrification.

[Anonymous]

https://thedcline.org/2021/12/21/children-at-risk-32-years-and-billions-of-dollars-later-dc-fails-to-protect-thousands-from-abuse-and-neglect/

[Anonymous]

CFSA grifting instead of watching out for kids?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/more-bribes-trayon-white-informant-paid-dc-government-employee-230k-for-confidential-info-according-to-plea-deal/65-9c2c690c-16e8-4c05-a90a-13f41faa9d4e

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Anonymous wrote:Chen supporting one made no difference, I did not vote for Frumin but this is so far beyond him. Cheh’s comments outside Days Inn did likely bump her from office. Predates him by at least a decade+. Chen even got social workers put in Sedgwick Gardens for a time, voucher tenants did not engage. Without the threat of losing the voucher, no effective curbs on behavior. Public housing you can be kicked out and banned. With vouchers, crime, you get moved from Sedgwick Gardens to Brandywine. Do not pay your share, move from Brandywine to Saratoga or Connecticut House.

Truth

But Frump owns it now. He has been negligent or worse on this issue, and it's the vulnerable poor children in these families who are suffering the most

It's not about how the rent is paid but about how children are not protected from known to be violent men. Had they lived in public housing in SE, poor DeAndre would be just as dead.

Frumin is on the housing committee. Still, press him to address CPS laxity and to push USAO to protect women and kids from violent men.

If the children were homeless or in public housing still would not help them. I get that you hate Frumin and I'm not a fan, but your focus on housing is not going to help kids like DeAndre.

Violent men do not need "services" that they are not even required to participate in. They need to be REMOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.

I wonder about this. One of the consequences of “equity” and sending voucher recipients to Ward 3 is that communities are broken up. Maybe if these kids were in Anacostia the neighborhood church ladies would have looked out for them. Or the school more attuned to signs of abuse and less scared of being labeled “Karens.” Or even relatives around to check in.

[Anonymous]

https://cfsa.dc.gov/publication/2022-annual-child-fatality-review-report#gsc.tab=0

DC CFS need to feel public wrath for DeAndre's death in particular. MD may be at fault re: Journee, little is known about her past and family situation in MD.

City and County Councils have oversight responsibility over CPS.

[Anonymous]

Just heartbreaking. What a sweet little girl. And no arrest yet for her death. Both kids must have been terrified in their final moments. Maybe rewards for info in these cases needs to be higher?

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/what-could-she-have-done-grandparents-mourn-girl-1-who-died-saturday-night/3733062/?os=vbkn42tqhoorjmxr5b&ref=app