St Marys versus St Louis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how most of these posts (likely from the same person) don’t actually defend Mass on Fridays or attempt to persuade anyone why Friday Mass is a good idea or important for a Catholic education.

Instead, all they do is (a) repeat how “every other school goes to mass weekly,” or (b) scream, “it’s always been like that, so if you don’t like it, leave!”

Sad. But I guess that’s the sort of critical-thinking skills you get when you spend much of k-8 going to mass and assemblies and parties rather than on academics.

Unclear why you think anyone is required to persuade you of the value of the school community coming together to for Mass and to share the gifts of grace once per week.

Once again, just more deflection and flimsy responses. No substantive argument at all.

And nobody has a problem with the community coming together for mass once a week. It’s called Sunday Mass. Sorry you wouldn’t be able to sleep in.

The school community is a different community than the one that gathers on Sunday. A weekday school Mass provides special graces specific to that community.

Where’s the deflection?

Why do you send your children to a school you do not respect or trust?

I think this thread has revealed a lot. The discussion initially began questioning why St Mary’s was suffering from so much turnover in staff and good teachers. Someone then innocently questioned the need for weekly mass during school hours (not the importance of mass generally, just whether it made sense to have it *every single week during school hours* and whether doing so undermined academics or made it tough for teachers to fulfill their academic obligations, at least not without more school days).

That poster is then attacked by st Mary’s parents for “not being Catholic enough.” No substantive argument, no critical thinking, no attempt to respect or consider alternative opinions — just defensive, simplistic, ad hominem attacks and a total refusal to question one’s assumptions or current practices or try to improve.

I think that answers the original question. Truly great teachers and staff would never stick around such a toxic, closed-minded, dysfunctional, insular environment, where if you question anything, your faith is deemed insufficient. Helpful thread!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notice how most of these posts (likely from the same person) don’t actually defend Mass on Fridays or attempt to persuade anyone why Friday Mass is a good idea or important for a Catholic education.

Instead, all they do is (a) repeat how “every other school goes to mass weekly,” or (b) scream, “it’s always been like that, so if you don’t like it, leave!”

Sad. But I guess that’s the sort of critical-thinking skills you get when you spend much of k-8 going to mass and assemblies and parties rather than on academics.

Unclear why you think anyone is required to persuade you of the value of the school community coming together to for Mass and to share the gifts of grace once per week.

Once again, just more deflection and flimsy responses. No substantive argument at all.

And nobody has a problem with the community coming together for mass once a week. It’s called Sunday Mass. Sorry you wouldn’t be able to sleep in.

The school community is a different community than the one that gathers on Sunday. A weekday school Mass provides special graces specific to that community.

Where’s the deflection?

Why do you send your children to a school you do not respect or trust?

I think this thread has revealed a lot. The discussion initially began questioning why St Mary’s was suffering from so much turnover in staff and good teachers. Someone then innocently questioned the need for weekly mass during school hours (not the importance of mass generally, just whether it made sense to have it *every single week during school hours* and whether doing so undermined academics or made it tough for teachers to fulfill their academic obligations, at least not without more school days).

That poster is then attacked by st Mary’s parents for “not being Catholic enough.” No substantive argument, no critical thinking, no attempt to respect or consider alternative opinions — just defensive, simplistic, ad hominem attacks and a total refusal to question one’s assumptions or current practices or try to improve.

I think that answers the original question. Truly great teachers and staff would never stick around such a toxic, closed-minded, dysfunctional, insular environment, where if you question anything, your faith is deemed insufficient. Helpful thread!

There’s a crisis in the teaching profession right now and both public and private are having issues with turnover. It’s not just St Mary’s.

There’s one oddball who’s got issues with weekly mass and a bunch of parochial school parents who keep taking the bait and responding to them, myself included.

But if the end result of this thread is that you think Catholic school is not the right choice for your family, then yes, I suppose it has been helpful.

[Anonymous]

Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

Bye! Come back when St Marys publishes its average MAP or other standardized test scores. Then we’ll see how invaluable it’s been to have Sunday Mass in the middle of the school day every week, thereby losing cumulative days of instruction time compared to other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

Bye! Come back when St Marys publishes its average MAP or other standardized test scores. Then we’ll see how invaluable it’s been to have Sunday Mass in the middle of the school day every week, thereby losing cumulative days of instruction time compared to other schools.

Let it go buddy. Enjoy public school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

Bye! Come back when St Marys publishes its average MAP or other standardized test scores. Then we’ll see how invaluable it’s been to have Sunday Mass in the middle of the school day every week, thereby losing cumulative days of instruction time compared to other schools.

Different poster here…you do realize that Sunday Mass and weekday Mass are not one and the same, don’t you? You’ve suggested multiple times that they are interchangeable. They are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

Bye! Come back when St Marys publishes its average MAP or other standardized test scores. Then we’ll see how invaluable it’s been to have Sunday Mass in the middle of the school day every week, thereby losing cumulative days of instruction time compared to other schools.

Let it go buddy. Enjoy public school.

At least public schools publish their test results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Originally, this thread looked like the typical School A vs School B for parents trying to decide between the two. Whatever. But once it reached over ten pages? That looks like a typical thread where one of the regular DCUM anti-Catholic school posters decides to jump in with both feet.

And so it is. Of course, you, that regular poster, will claim I am deflecting or defensive. Blahblahblah.

But posters have answered your question with the many reasons why having a regular weekly Mass at school is valuable to them and adds to the whole school experience for them and their children and (surprise!) their children’s teachers. But you don’t respond to those posts. Why is that?

In any case, this thread has not been helpful to those truly seeking more info on schools. Congrats.

And now I will take the advice given to those engaging with small, over-tired children and adults who argue in bad faith on the internet and drop the rope. Have fun. Bye!

Bye! Come back when St Marys publishes its average MAP or other standardized test scores. Then we’ll see how invaluable it’s been to have Sunday Mass in the middle of the school day every week, thereby losing cumulative days of instruction time compared to other schools.

Let it go buddy. Enjoy public school.

At least public schools publish their test results.

Yep. Sounds like they’re a match for what you are looking for. Enjoy!

[Anonymous]

This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Cancelling Mass at a Catholic school is the big idea for change? I suspect the poster hammering away and calling weekly Mass at school “weird” is the likely troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Cancelling Mass at a Catholic school is the big idea for change? I suspect the poster hammering away and calling weekly Mass at school “weird” is the likely troll.

You’re right. All the other brilliant ideas offered are much better. Here’s an idea: have Latin mass 5x a week and just rely on osmosis for academic learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Cancelling Mass at a Catholic school is the big idea for change? I suspect the poster hammering away and calling weekly Mass at school “weird” is the likely troll.

You’re right. All the other brilliant ideas offered are much better. Here’s an idea: have Latin mass 5x a week and just rely on osmosis for academic learning.

You seem to be triggered by Catholicism. I kindly suggest a Catholic school may not be the best fit for your family’s needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Agree. Very weird that the repeat poster cannot understand how the school community values its traditions such as weekly Mass. Since you are certainly a new poster (!) but appear to have read the entire thread, why do you think that poster doesn‘t raise these questions with the school itself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Cancelling Mass at a Catholic school is the big idea for change? I suspect the poster hammering away and calling weekly Mass at school “weird” is the likely troll.

You’re right. All the other brilliant ideas offered are much better. Here’s an idea: have Latin mass 5x a week and just rely on osmosis for academic learning.

Latin Mass is a brilliant idea! Thank you for suggesting this. What a wonderful way to introduce students to a language so pivotal in the development of Western Civilization; not to mention, by introducing the Latin Mass, you could start correlating where certain practices arose, the ties to how Jews worshipped in the Old Testament. I’ve never attended a traditional Latin Mass, but really what wonderful way to broaden horizons, give students culture context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the weirdest thread I’ve ever read. The school at issue here apparently has systemic problems — massive turnover in staff and teachers, kids leaving the middle school (some even for public!), etc. Yet nobody is allowed to question the status quo or propose new ideas or changes? Bizarre.

I suspect many of these posts are just trolls.

Cancelling Mass at a Catholic school is the big idea for change? I suspect the poster hammering away and calling weekly Mass at school “weird” is the likely troll.

You’re right. All the other brilliant ideas offered are much better. Here’s an idea: have Latin mass 5x a week and just rely on osmosis for academic learning.

Latin Mass is a brilliant idea! Thank you for suggesting this. What a wonderful way to introduce students to a language so pivotal in the development of Western Civilization; not to mention, by introducing the Latin Mass, you could start correlating where certain practices arose, the ties to how Jews worshipped in the Old Testament. I’ve never attended a traditional Latin Mass, but really what wonderful way to broaden horizons, give students culture context.

lol. Other schools are teaching AI, coding, robotics, critical thinking, writing, etc. But let’s focus on this.

The funny thing is, the best way to actually honor and worship God is to learn about and understand His creation and strive to innovate, discover, learn science, etc. Not sit around for hours and replicate Sunday mornings.

Of course, teaching is HARD and takes $$$. So it’s much easier/cheaper just to focus on other things and rationalize it, and then yell at anyone who dares to question that approach or proposes change. I get it.