Thanks to the bike party organizers!

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Paid for by the Feds https://wtop.com/local/2022/09/bike-pedestrian-bridge-over-potomac-gets-20-million-boost-warner-trains-focus-on-rail-bridge/ (this is one of several federal installments)

And what is wrong with a safe place for recreational and commuting walkers and bikers to have a save place to cross? Have you ever walked or biked the 14th Street bridge? I have. It is a horrible experience.

Poor thing. That must be very difficult for you. Schools are cutting positions but we have $50 million to build cyclists their own private bridge? Maybe boondoggles for bicyclists from Georgetown can wait for more vulnerable people to get what they need first.

Two different budgets. One does not impact the other.

Of course they impact each other.

No, they really don't. Learn about how budgets work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Study after study shows bike lanes are good for business:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bike-lanes-good-for-business-studies-better-streets-2024-3

How many drive to Cleveland Park, for example, to shop?

Overview

The survey found that most area residents are looking for ways to de-prioritize car use in the neighborhood in favor of street design that benefits other modes of travel such as walking and cycling.

Safety is a dominant theme found in the comments, as is placemaking – creating public space that benefits residents over commuters
Businesses will benefit from more visits to Connecticut Ave if bike lanes are added
There is broad support for keeping the redesigned service lane for pedestrians and streateries only.
Lastly, we are likely to see fewer cars in the neighborhood as a result of a massive transformation of where we expect to work going forward, with most workers expecting to either shift to a hybrid or work-from-home routine after the pandemic.

Combined, these changes bode well for the livability of the neighborhood, vitality of our commercial areas and meeting our climate goals.
Key Findings

By a 2:1 margin (66%-34%) poll respondents prioritize adding protected bike lanes over retaining parking when it comes to the reconfiguration of Connecticut Ave. The wide margin of preference for bike lanes is found among survey respondents from each neighborhood.

The addition of bike lanes is likely to mean more business for the retailers. While half say their visits to business on Connecticut Ave wouldn’t be impacted by the addition of bike lanes, 36% said they would visit it more, while just 15% said they would visit less – a net boost to the businesses.

Residents were unambiguous that the redesigned service lane in Cleveland Park should remain car-free. The streetscape project, which gets implemented next year, will raise the level of the entire area to sidewalk level. Plans developed in 2017 call for the driving and parking lanes to remain but move at the pace of a pedestrian. When asked what should happen when the new lane is constructed, the results were clear: 78% want the new service lane open to pedestrians and streateries only – no cars.

How we work, versus how we used to work, is going to be different for most desk-job workers, resulting in fewer trips to the office. Among respondents who reported working at least some portion of the job from an office-like environment, only 27% said they plan to go back to working at the office full-time post-COVID, as compared to 79% who typically went to an office before the pandemic. Half say they will likely adopt a hybrid work schedule, splitting their time between home and office.

This ‘new normal’ for work will have impacts here, with fewer daily commuters on the roads and more opportunities for businesses to serve residents staying close to home during the work week. We asked about the prospect of a co-working site in Cleveland Park and 19% said they would consider that option. Many more (41%) said they would consider if they received a work benefit to do so. Adding daytime foot traffic at the commercial area through a flex-work space would be a boost to retailers at their least profitable day-part. With effort, and this data, we hope to recruit a co-working space to the neighborhood.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-RWPZ69B89/

Oh wait, here is testimony from one business person in another city. We have heard the same from business owners on CT Ave how felt bullied by the "save connecticut Ave" folks

And scientists agree as well:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-need-to-make-cities-less-car-dependent/

Conclusion: The same solutions won’t work everywhere, and change won’t happen all at once. Each city has its own unique considerations and challenges. And such an ambitious project will require rethinking many of our assumptions about American car culture. But the benefits could make everyone healthier and safer.

It’s pretty rich that the bike bros lecture business about what’s good for them when it was largely the same group pushing to defund the police which led to every store on Connecticut Ave getting regularly looted for the past three years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study after study shows bike lanes are good for business:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bike-lanes-good-for-business-studies-better-streets-2024-3

How many drive to Cleveland Park, for example, to shop?

Overview

The survey found that most area residents are looking for ways to de-prioritize car use in the neighborhood in favor of street design that benefits other modes of travel such as walking and cycling.

Safety is a dominant theme found in the comments, as is placemaking – creating public space that benefits residents over commuters
Businesses will benefit from more visits to Connecticut Ave if bike lanes are added
There is broad support for keeping the redesigned service lane for pedestrians and streateries only.
Lastly, we are likely to see fewer cars in the neighborhood as a result of a massive transformation of where we expect to work going forward, with most workers expecting to either shift to a hybrid or work-from-home routine after the pandemic.

Combined, these changes bode well for the livability of the neighborhood, vitality of our commercial areas and meeting our climate goals.
Key Findings

By a 2:1 margin (66%-34%) poll respondents prioritize adding protected bike lanes over retaining parking when it comes to the reconfiguration of Connecticut Ave. The wide margin of preference for bike lanes is found among survey respondents from each neighborhood.

The addition of bike lanes is likely to mean more business for the retailers. While half say their visits to business on Connecticut Ave wouldn’t be impacted by the addition of bike lanes, 36% said they would visit it more, while just 15% said they would visit less – a net boost to the businesses.

Residents were unambiguous that the redesigned service lane in Cleveland Park should remain car-free. The streetscape project, which gets implemented next year, will raise the level of the entire area to sidewalk level. Plans developed in 2017 call for the driving and parking lanes to remain but move at the pace of a pedestrian. When asked what should happen when the new lane is constructed, the results were clear: 78% want the new service lane open to pedestrians and streateries only – no cars.

How we work, versus how we used to work, is going to be different for most desk-job workers, resulting in fewer trips to the office. Among respondents who reported working at least some portion of the job from an office-like environment, only 27% said they plan to go back to working at the office full-time post-COVID, as compared to 79% who typically went to an office before the pandemic. Half say they will likely adopt a hybrid work schedule, splitting their time between home and office.

This ‘new normal’ for work will have impacts here, with fewer daily commuters on the roads and more opportunities for businesses to serve residents staying close to home during the work week. We asked about the prospect of a co-working site in Cleveland Park and 19% said they would consider that option. Many more (41%) said they would consider if they received a work benefit to do so. Adding daytime foot traffic at the commercial area through a flex-work space would be a boost to retailers at their least profitable day-part. With effort, and this data, we hope to recruit a co-working space to the neighborhood.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-RWPZ69B89/

Oh wait, here is testimony from one business person in another city. We have heard the same from business owners on CT Ave how felt bullied by the "save connecticut Ave" folks

And scientists agree as well:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-need-to-make-cities-less-car-dependent/

Conclusion: The same solutions won’t work everywhere, and change won’t happen all at once. Each city has its own unique considerations and challenges. And such an ambitious project will require rethinking many of our assumptions about American car culture. But the benefits could make everyone healthier and safer.

It’s pretty rich that the bike bros lecture business about what’s good for them when it was largely the same group pushing to defund the police which led to every store on Connecticut Ave getting regularly looted for the past three years.

Everything about this statement is why this discussion goes nowhere. Some of the anti - bike team are so removed from reality that they make statements like this as if they are fact.

[Anonymous]

Literally no one is pushing to "defund the police" and thus no response to the facts presented. Businesses believe more of their patrons are driving to support them than reality.

The studies in Cleveland Park itself show how many people are coming via foot and bike as compared to car.

[Anonymous]

I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Paid for by the Feds https://wtop.com/local/2022/09/bike-pedestrian-bridge-over-potomac-gets-20-million-boost-warner-trains-focus-on-rail-bridge/ (this is one of several federal installments)

And what is wrong with a safe place for recreational and commuting walkers and bikers to have a save place to cross? Have you ever walked or biked the 14th Street bridge? I have. It is a horrible experience.

Poor thing. That must be very difficult for you. Schools are cutting positions but we have $50 million to build cyclists their own private bridge? Maybe boondoggles for bicyclists from Georgetown can wait for more vulnerable people to get what they need first.

Two different budgets. One does not impact the other.

Of course they impact each other.

No, they really don't. Learn about how budgets work.

Yes they do. Learn basic logic. Just because something is in a different bowl doesn't mean that it came from a different pot.

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Paid for by the Feds https://wtop.com/local/2022/09/bike-pedestrian-bridge-over-potomac-gets-20-million-boost-warner-trains-focus-on-rail-bridge/ (this is one of several federal installments)

And what is wrong with a safe place for recreational and commuting walkers and bikers to have a save place to cross? Have you ever walked or biked the 14th Street bridge? I have. It is a horrible experience.

Poor thing. That must be very difficult for you. Schools are cutting positions but we have $50 million to build cyclists their own private bridge? Maybe boondoggles for bicyclists from Georgetown can wait for more vulnerable people to get what they need first.

Two different budgets. One does not impact the other.

Of course they impact each other.

No, they really don't. Learn about how budgets work.

Everything in a budget affects everything else. That's the point of a budget. It brings all the taxing and spending decisions into a cohesive whole.

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Paid for by the Feds https://wtop.com/local/2022/09/bike-pedestrian-bridge-over-potomac-gets-20-million-boost-warner-trains-focus-on-rail-bridge/ (this is one of several federal installments)

And what is wrong with a safe place for recreational and commuting walkers and bikers to have a save place to cross? Have you ever walked or biked the 14th Street bridge? I have. It is a horrible experience.

Poor thing. That must be very difficult for you. Schools are cutting positions but we have $50 million to build cyclists their own private bridge? Maybe boondoggles for bicyclists from Georgetown can wait for more vulnerable people to get what they need first.

Two different budgets. One does not impact the other.

Of course they impact each other.

No, they really don't. Learn about how budgets work.

Yes they do. Learn basic logic. Just because something is in a different bowl doesn't mean that it came from a different pot.

Operational versus Capital.

Budget 101.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Don't forget about bike TRAILS! There's $84 million for bike trails too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

Don't forget about bike TRAILS! There's $84 million for bike trails too.

Honestly it would be cheaper if we paid every bicyclist in the city $1 million to ride the bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Attention Robert Caro

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

Also, there are cars parked in what you would call the right lane. Where would you expect the cyclist to ride, over the parked cars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study after study shows bike lanes are good for business:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bike-lanes-good-for-business-studies-better-streets-2024-3

How many drive to Cleveland Park, for example, to shop?

Overview

The survey found that most area residents are looking for ways to de-prioritize car use in the neighborhood in favor of street design that benefits other modes of travel such as walking and cycling.

Safety is a dominant theme found in the comments, as is placemaking – creating public space that benefits residents over commuters
Businesses will benefit from more visits to Connecticut Ave if bike lanes are added
There is broad support for keeping the redesigned service lane for pedestrians and streateries only.
Lastly, we are likely to see fewer cars in the neighborhood as a result of a massive transformation of where we expect to work going forward, with most workers expecting to either shift to a hybrid or work-from-home routine after the pandemic.

Combined, these changes bode well for the livability of the neighborhood, vitality of our commercial areas and meeting our climate goals.
Key Findings

By a 2:1 margin (66%-34%) poll respondents prioritize adding protected bike lanes over retaining parking when it comes to the reconfiguration of Connecticut Ave. The wide margin of preference for bike lanes is found among survey respondents from each neighborhood.

The addition of bike lanes is likely to mean more business for the retailers. While half say their visits to business on Connecticut Ave wouldn’t be impacted by the addition of bike lanes, 36% said they would visit it more, while just 15% said they would visit less – a net boost to the businesses.

Residents were unambiguous that the redesigned service lane in Cleveland Park should remain car-free. The streetscape project, which gets implemented next year, will raise the level of the entire area to sidewalk level. Plans developed in 2017 call for the driving and parking lanes to remain but move at the pace of a pedestrian. When asked what should happen when the new lane is constructed, the results were clear: 78% want the new service lane open to pedestrians and streateries only – no cars.

How we work, versus how we used to work, is going to be different for most desk-job workers, resulting in fewer trips to the office. Among respondents who reported working at least some portion of the job from an office-like environment, only 27% said they plan to go back to working at the office full-time post-COVID, as compared to 79% who typically went to an office before the pandemic. Half say they will likely adopt a hybrid work schedule, splitting their time between home and office.

This ‘new normal’ for work will have impacts here, with fewer daily commuters on the roads and more opportunities for businesses to serve residents staying close to home during the work week. We asked about the prospect of a co-working site in Cleveland Park and 19% said they would consider that option. Many more (41%) said they would consider if they received a work benefit to do so. Adding daytime foot traffic at the commercial area through a flex-work space would be a boost to retailers at their least profitable day-part. With effort, and this data, we hope to recruit a co-working space to the neighborhood.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-RWPZ69B89/

Oh wait, here is testimony from one business person in another city. We have heard the same from business owners on CT Ave how felt bullied by the "save connecticut Ave" folks

And scientists agree as well:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-need-to-make-cities-less-car-dependent/

Conclusion: The same solutions won’t work everywhere, and change won’t happen all at once. Each city has its own unique considerations and challenges. And such an ambitious project will require rethinking many of our assumptions about American car culture. But the benefits could make everyone healthier and safer.

It’s pretty rich that the bike bros lecture business about what’s good for them when it was largely the same group pushing to defund the police which led to every store on Connecticut Ave getting regularly looted for the past three years.

Everything about this statement is why this discussion goes nowhere. Some of the anti - bike team are so removed from reality that they make statements like this as if they are fact.

I pressed my Connecticut Ave ANC to make some noise on crime and they threw their hands up in the air. Something to the effect “We’re just a bunch of volunteers. That’s outside our jurisdiction.” But for every other progressive policy their authority was boundless. Bike lanes, women’s health, housing vouchers, gas stoves, welcoming city, etc.