Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any time you see the County departments or MCPS offering its "free" services/tech/other stuff to county residents, keep in mind that those leaders CHOSE to prioritize the providing of "free" goods, instead of properly funding school programs to appropriately educate students with disabilities and/or other emotional issues.

Look at the County's budget proposals for new ways to spend your tax dollars. Stop directly your vitriol at those parent of children who need--funded--appropriate educational programs.

I agree that we should support special schools with our tax dollars and that we waste a lot of money on unnecessary items.

I also understand that the behavior of parents contributes to many violent behaviors in children. Lack of sleep, lack of proper discipline, lack of proper nutrition, exposure to inappropriate media from a young age, parents modeling cursing, physical fighting, etc. lead to inappropriate outbursts in kids. There are not many that are just "born that way," so expecting schools and the community to simply accommodate these behaviors as a measure of compassion misses the point. Changes need to be made at home first and reinforced at school second. In no way can the community shoulder the entire burden for parenting screw-ups. Of course, there are rare kids who biologically cannot control their impulses, but if this is the case, they belong in a special setting because no amount of time in school and restorative justice will change their behavior. This is not the typical situation, though. - MSW

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After watching that autistic kid* get pummeled on video last year and remembering Jailyn who had Special Needs but was murdered by neurological students because the "neurotypical" people don't accept or understand them, it's abhorrent that MCPS won't protect SN kids from the violent students. Violent students should be in a much more restrictive setting where the Staff is prepared for them.

Did you also watch the video of the autistic kid beating his teacher for taking away his device? He was autistic AND violent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deal with it, OP.

Special needs kids have a right to be included.

Or, are you another MAGA who is opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion ?

OP here. No one is complaining about the special needs kids who just stim or have meltdowns that do not put other kids in danger. Please read the original post. There are other SESES kids who are not violent. They do have their meltdowns and no one is asking for them to be placed elsewhere.

It is this particular kid whom I hope gets moved because this kid has proved time and again that he is not ready to be mainstreamed. Like I said, this was not the first incident involving this kid, according to mine. How many more times do kids need to be choked and punched before he gets moved? There is another SES kid who just bangs his hand on something or starts making noises. No one wants that child moved. According to mine, the popular kids have taken that kid (not his brother who is also SES) under their wing at recess. So mainstream does work for some.

I'm all for for inclusion but not when it affects other kids' safety, and this kid is making the school an unsafe environment for many.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know all of this information, OP?

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It rings partly true but there also seems to be a bit of exaggeration by OP and taking gossip and presenting it as fact. There is no way she knows all this.

There's a faction that wants to portray public schools as failing and unsafe so go out their way to play up these issues. This doesn't mean there isn't some truth to what they're saying it's more that they exaggerate and take these things out of context.

OP here. I am also aware of this. There are people on here and on nextdoor who play up issues for whatever agenda they have. Which is why I don't to mention which school when people keep asking. I don't want our school on Moco news for whatever agenda it is that people have.

My kid likes the school. These issues started only this year and I was venting.

I think the hidden agenda is more police since the crime in montgomery county has risen sharply followed by tougher sentences for offenders.

But police are still angry after they eliminated the SRO jobs and won't enforce laws in school.

Source? 'Cause I heard the cops want to get back into schools and begin intimidating kids again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Deal with it, OP.

Special needs kids have a right to be included.

Or, are you another MAGA who is opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion ?

OP here. No one is complaining about the special needs kids who just stim or have meltdowns that do not put other kids in danger. Please read the original post. There are other SESES kids who are not violent. They do have their meltdowns and no one is asking for them to be placed elsewhere.

It is this particular kid whom I hope gets moved because this kid has proved time and again that he is not ready to be mainstreamed. Like I said, this was not the first incident involving this kid, according to mine. How many more times do kids need to be choked and punched before he gets moved? There is another SES kid who just bangs his hand on something or starts making noises. No one wants that child moved. According to mine, the popular kids have taken that kid (not his brother who is also SES) under their wing at recess. So mainstream does work for some.

I'm all for for inclusion but not when it affects other kids' safety, and this kid is making the school an unsafe environment for many.

OP It's none of your business whether a certain kid gets included in a mainstream classroom and who does not. I support you in your concerns about the scissors kid but you or other parents have no right or expertise to say who belongs and who does not. What you can do is push for more support and more attention for the child, for the class, for the teacher. A group of experts about the kid - teachers, school officials, parents, specialists - are the ones who know enough about the kid to decide how to best support him and it could be in a mainstream classroom with different types of supports. You never really know unless you know about all the private conversations and the background of the kid.

[Anonymous]

We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

Did you just discover this thread today?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Deal with it, OP.

Special needs kids have a right to be included.

Or, are you another MAGA who is opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion ?

OP here. No one is complaining about the special needs kids who just stim or have meltdowns that do not put other kids in danger. Please read the original post. There are other SESES kids who are not violent. They do have their meltdowns and no one is asking for them to be placed elsewhere.

It is this particular kid whom I hope gets moved because this kid has proved time and again that he is not ready to be mainstreamed. Like I said, this was not the first incident involving this kid, according to mine. How many more times do kids need to be choked and punched before he gets moved? There is another SES kid who just bangs his hand on something or starts making noises. No one wants that child moved. According to mine, the popular kids have taken that kid (not his brother who is also SES) under their wing at recess. So mainstream does work for some.

I'm all for for inclusion but not when it affects other kids' safety, and this kid is making the school an unsafe environment for many.

OP It's none of your business whether a certain kid gets included in a mainstream classroom and who does not. I support you in your concerns about the scissors kid but you or other parents have no right or expertise to say who belongs and who does not. What you can do is push for more support and more attention for the child, for the class, for the teacher. A group of experts about the kid - teachers, school officials, parents, specialists - are the ones who know enough about the kid to decide how to best support him and it could be in a mainstream classroom with different types of supports. You never really know unless you know about all the private conversations and the background of the kid.

Nope. Parents have every right to expect and demand safety for their children. I have been doing this job for years and NO ONE listens to the teachers saying the gen Ed room is NOT the place for some kids. NO ONE. Maybe they'll listen to parents. At some point, parents of non violent gen Ed and non violent special Ed students will need to organize the same way that parents of special needs kids organized and got laws changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

If the parent was the one shadowing the kid, then do you think parent is still responsible even if on school grounds?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

If the parent was the one shadowing the kid, then do you think parent is still responsible even if on school grounds?

Parents are not allowed to shadow their kids in the way that you are talking about. They can come and observe for limited time with a supervisor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.