Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

If the parent was the one shadowing the kid, then do you think parent is still responsible even if on school grounds?

Parents are not allowed to shadow their kids in the way that you are talking about. They can come and observe for limited time with a supervisor.

There are exceptions. We had a kid last year whose father came to school several hours every day to keep his kid out of trouble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You don’t call the police on the violent kid, you do it on their parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

[Anonymous]

Public Schools are at this point delinquent detention centers, with a few unfortunate nice kids sprinkled in the mix. The flight of the well behaved children is well documented. If you think the public school experience is something like what you had 30 years ago you are tragically mistaken. Time to pull your kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of such a kid who doesn't minimize violence - the criminality is beside the point. There are no places for these kids to go. It's prison or mainstream. There's private placement if you're very savvy. Most people can't.

I think it's partly optics and partly cost and partly lack of will.

You can’t terrorize the normies. It has to be controlled.

These problems start young an the system tries to gaslight the parents and minimize them. For example, at one point my son didn't get an aide because that would be too restrictive. He was 5 at the time. (He has one now. But first we had to document evidence that he couldn't manage without one.)

It's not reasonable to expect parents to write off a 5 year old because the system doesn't work. The kids get pushed through the system.

That's because it's not legal to start with the most restrictive environment based on the parent's say so. Documenting evidence of the need is part of the process. That's how he ended up with an aide/para.

OK. So how do you suggest I, a parent, should have handled his behavior pre-para?

Hire one yourself. The issue is you want everything free.

I'm not the parent you are responding to but your suggestion is ridiculous. Public schools don't allow parents to hire people to attend school with their children. There is a process by which children are identified as needing services and the school does it's best to provide them. It doesn't often happen on the parent's timetable or the even the teacher's or the parents of the other kids, however it's a process that must be followed. Ideally the school will do their best to manage the child's behavior while they are in the process. Anyone expecting all this to go perfectly is delusional. If you think you can fix this imperfect system go right ahead and run for the school board. In the meantime I believe that everyone involved is doing their best despite what you may think. And BTW the parents of children with special needs typically want the same free public education you want for your children who were lucky enough to not be afflicted with special needs.

Assuming there is established need, goals, background checks, professionalism, etc. schools almost never have issues with this. If they do it’s a usually principal issue and parents need to push up the chain for approval. I’ve worked in well over 100 schools in this capacity, never once denied by a school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of such a kid who doesn't minimize violence - the criminality is beside the point. There are no places for these kids to go. It's prison or mainstream. There's private placement if you're very savvy. Most people can't.

I think it's partly optics and partly cost and partly lack of will.

You can’t terrorize the normies. It has to be controlled.

These problems start young an the system tries to gaslight the parents and minimize them. For example, at one point my son didn't get an aide because that would be too restrictive. He was 5 at the time. (He has one now. But first we had to document evidence that he couldn't manage without one.)

It's not reasonable to expect parents to write off a 5 year old because the system doesn't work. The kids get pushed through the system.

That's because it's not legal to start with the most restrictive environment based on the parent's say so. Documenting evidence of the need is part of the process. That's how he ended up with an aide/para.

OK. So how do you suggest I, a parent, should have handled his behavior pre-para?

Hire one yourself. The issue is you want everything free.

I'm not the parent you are responding to but your suggestion is ridiculous. Public schools don't allow parents to hire people to attend school with their children. There is a process by which children are identified as needing services and the school does it's best to provide them. It doesn't often happen on the parent's timetable or the even the teacher's or the parents of the other kids, however it's a process that must be followed. Ideally the school will do their best to manage the child's behavior while they are in the process. Anyone expecting all this to go perfectly is delusional. If you think you can fix this imperfect system go right ahead and run for the school board. In the meantime I believe that everyone involved is doing their best despite what you may think. And BTW the parents of children with special needs typically want the same free public education you want for your children who were lucky enough to not be afflicted with special needs.

Assuming there is established need, goals, background checks, professionalism, etc. schools almost never have issues with this. If they do it’s a usually principal issue and parents need to push up the chain for approval. I’ve worked in well over 100 schools in this capacity, never once denied by a school system.

DP. It was a hard no for us when we tried to get approval for an RBT to come in. And the couple ABA companies we've worked with said MCPS never lets them in during the school day.

[Anonymous]

Current Central office admin speak:

“Dont worry “The Code of Conduct” will save the day! They just need to read all 36 pages! It’s all really just a misunderstanding in need of communication. We’ll keep sending emails until it’s all fixed.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

Except it's not. You might want it to be, but you'd just be putting parents in even more of an impossible situation when dealing with MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

Except it's not. You might want it to be, but you'd just be putting parents in even more of an impossible situation when dealing with MCPS.

The parents need to find a safe solution. Public school isn’t the solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

Except it's not. You might want it to be, but you'd just be putting parents in even more of an impossible situation when dealing with MCPS.

The parents need to find a safe solution. Public school isn’t the solution.

If the public school isn't able to accommodate a child, then the school is obligated to find and pay for private placement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start holding the parents responsible. They truly are if anyone is injured or traumatized. The focus needs to be on the parents.

What do you expect the parents to do? The school had custody of the child during this event, not the parents. The parents wouldn't be allowed in the classroom. And they don't don't get to decide supports or placement for the child.

Parents need to raise their kids right. The parents are the guilty ones.

In other words, you don't have even a passing familiarity with neurodivergent individuals. Move along.

That is not an excuse for violence.

And no one said it is. Read the thread.

The thread is about violent children in school and how parents knowingly release these violent children on the public school system.

You realize you are legally required to send kids to school, don't you? And the schools are similarly required to come up with appropriate placements and supports.

The parents are responsible for selecting an appropriate school for their children. Homeschool, virtual school, in-person public, in-person private, etc.

Any parent who just sends their violent disruptive kid into public school knows they are releasing chaos and harm onto all those students.

It is lazy to blame the public schools when we already know they don’t work for these types of kids.

Adults are trying to talk here. Go back to bed.

You sound guilty. Yes, the harm your child does to all the other kids in school is your responsibility as a parent.

Except it's not. You might want it to be, but you'd just be putting parents in even more of an impossible situation when dealing with MCPS.

The parents need to find a safe solution. Public school isn’t the solution.

If the public school isn't able to accommodate a child, then the school is obligated to find and pay for private placement.

That will still be inadequate. Stop looking to make taxpayers burden the costs of your child. Find a safe solution.