Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

After watching that autistic kid* get pummeled on video last year and remembering Jailyn who had Special Needs but was murdered by neurological students because the "neurotypical" people don't accept or understand them, it's abhorrent that MCPS won't protect SN kids from the violent students. Violent students should be in a much more restrictive setting where the Staff is prepared for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know all of this information, OP?

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It rings partly true but there also seems to be a bit of exaggeration by OP and taking gossip and presenting it as fact. There is no way she knows all this.

There's a faction that wants to portray public schools as failing and unsafe so go out their way to play up these issues. This doesn't mean there isn't some truth to what they're saying it's more that they exaggerate and take these things out of context.

OP here. I am also aware of this. There are people on here and on nextdoor who play up issues for whatever agenda they have. Which is why I don't to mention which school when people keep asking. I don't want our school on Moco news for whatever agenda it is that people have.

My kid likes the school. These issues started only this year and I was venting.

I think the hidden agenda is more police since the crime in montgomery county has risen sharply followed by tougher sentences for offenders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After watching that autistic kid* get pummeled on video last year and remembering Jailyn who had Special Needs but was murdered by neurological students because the "neurotypical" people don't accept or understand them, it's abhorrent that MCPS won't protect SN kids from the violent students. Violent students should be in a much more restrictive setting where the Staff is prepared for them.

The fact that Jailyn Jones was murdered by his peers and no one in MCPS was held accountable is mind boggling to me. They knew he was being bullied and harassed and did nothing about it. Then when he ended up dead and stabbed, it was all "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family."

Children who exhibit violent, antisocial behavior can't continue to be in the general ed school environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP with an update - I didn't check the Parentvue Parent newsletter until now thinking it's the usual stuff. They sent one out Saturday, the morning after this incident. There is a sub heading regarding SESES (Social and Emotional Special Education Services) and it is clearly mentioned that our school provides services to students in SESES and they mention a date when we can attend (by registering) to understand about the program, and ask our questions.

I guess this answers why other schools don't see this many behavior issues. Our school is providing services for SESES (my understanding from the email is this program is not based by school boundary). Who knows how we got designated for that.

I'm glad school is willing to meet with parents. I feel like someone from my kid's school is monitoring this forum. If there is any staff from my school here, thank you!

I'm glad the school is doing that. That's a great move on their part. I think understanding is key. Kids pushing other kids. Kids having meltdowns unfortunately all within the bounds of normal even for a school without SESES but the scissors incident if true is really extreme and an outlier incident. Our school has had an SES program for many years and it runs smoothly. We don't feel any more disruption to the school day than what we see in our other child's private school which is very normal because many elementary kids to some extent can be disruptive.

[Anonymous]

These schools are lawless where a diagnosis excuses violent disruptive antisocial behavior and there are no consequences.

[Anonymous]

There are consequences for teachers for not creating a classroom free of danger as the kids throw desks and chairs and make trouble for developing students. This behavior spreads to the good apples as they know the adults can't do anything about it except to make teachers unemployed and call them incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The threat with the scissors and the teacher breaking down in tears is shocking. This is not normal.

It is more than you think

[Anonymous]

Does the SESES have their own classroom or every student is mainstreamed all day? The kid with the scissors who threatened the other student is mainstreamed in that classroom or he or she just sought out that student and left the special education classroom to find the student and entered a classroom he or she is not a part of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know all of this information, OP?

+1
It rings partly true but there also seems to be a bit of exaggeration by OP and taking gossip and presenting it as fact. There is no way she knows all this.

There's a faction that wants to portray public schools as failing and unsafe so go out their way to play up these issues. This doesn't mean there isn't some truth to what they're saying it's more that they exaggerate and take these things out of context.

OP here. I am also aware of this. There are people on here and on nextdoor who play up issues for whatever agenda they have. Which is why I don't to mention which school when people keep asking. I don't want our school on Moco news for whatever agenda it is that people have.

My kid likes the school. These issues started only this year and I was venting.

I think the hidden agenda is more police since the crime in montgomery county has risen sharply followed by tougher sentences for offenders.

But police are still angry after they eliminated the SRO jobs and won't enforce laws in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These schools are lawless where a diagnosis excuses violent disruptive antisocial behavior and there are no consequences.

Our laws no longer apply. MCPD and the courts are powerless before the magical law free zones known as schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does the SESES have their own classroom or every student is mainstreamed all day? The kid with the scissors who threatened the other student is mainstreamed in that classroom or he or she just sought out that student and left the special education classroom to find the student and entered a classroom he or she is not a part of?

I'm not OP but had a child in a school that had such a program. They do have their own classroom and students are mainstreamed for part of the day. It's different for every student depending on where they are. Some kids are mainstreamed for almost the whole day and really do great while others may be mainstreamed for only one subject. Their mainstream part of the day is almost always with an aide present.

I said this higher up, but the program at our school worked really well. It is an old established program though. It was there all six years our child attended. DC did not experience any disruptions at all and we never heard about any issues with the children in the program other classrooms. There were disruptive students like at any other school, but they were not in the SES program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After watching that autistic kid* get pummeled on video last year and remembering Jailyn who had Special Needs but was murdered by neurological students because the "neurotypical" people don't accept or understand them, it's abhorrent that MCPS won't protect SN kids from the violent students. Violent students should be in a much more restrictive setting where the Staff is prepared for them.

This was in MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After watching that autistic kid* get pummeled on video last year and remembering Jailyn who had Special Needs but was murdered by neurological students because the "neurotypical" people don't accept or understand them, it's abhorrent that MCPS won't protect SN kids from the violent students. Violent students should be in a much more restrictive setting where the Staff is prepared for them.

This was in MCPS?

Not the PP, but the first comment refers to an incident earlier in the school year of a brawl between two kids. Some folks claimed one of the kids (who also appeared from the video to be the instigator) was autistic, but that was never confirmed, nor should it have been. You might remember the video because at the end two older kids basically pick up one of the kids and remove him from the situation, keeping it from getting any worse.

[Anonymous]

Deal with it, OP.

Special needs kids have a right to be included.

Or, are you another MAGA who is opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deal with it, OP.

Special needs kids have a right to be included.

Or, are you another MAGA who is opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion ?

You are being unreasonable. The safety of everyone in school is important. Mainstreaming is wildly inappropriate for some children.