Birthday party invites - not inviting one girl

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t see how throwing away an eraser is somehow equivalent to excluding one girl out of the whole class. I wonder sometimes the mean little things our daughters do that we never know about while absolutely blasting someone else’s daughter for being a “mean girl” as if it’s their whole identity. Based on a story about an eraser.


Yeah this is mind boggling. A documented case of bullying usually involves teacher conferences, the principal gets involved, the parents are involved. It's a whole thing. This doesn't sound like bullying - this sounds like a pre-pubescent kid had a couple of hormonal days and took it out on their classmates (god forbid ). OP says the parents are nice - why not just talk to them and find out what's going on? There's time for this situation to get better and for everyone to have a better year at school. I don't see how excluding this kid from a birthday party is going to do that. If OP's kid is inviting all the girls in class as a rule, she should invite this girl. It's far-fetched that she's best buddies with all the girls in class and has to invite all of them but this girl.


I would say it is rare for bullying to be documented with teacher conferences. Those are the extreme cases. However, we all know that bullying is common and happens every day. But we’re not talking about a bully. We are talking about a mean girl which can be the same or different. The only person’s feelings who ultimately matter here are the birthday girls and she does not want the mean girl at her party and I don’t blame her one bit. I had lots of mean girls in my life, and I would not want them at my birthday party either.

With all of you who are advocating to invite her want a mean girl, or the mean queen bee (adult version) at your party? I think not, unless you’re a striver.


Not a striver. Just an adult who knows that kids are kids and that there's always more than one side to a story. This kid has been mean to her daughter and the whole class all year? And she knows the parents? And they are nice? And she hasn't said one word to them to try to figure out what's going on? Maybe this girl feels excluded at school by OP's daughter and her millions of friends. Maybe she has anxiety and has few tools to deal with it so she lashes out. I'm not saying invite her to the party. I'm saying get more information before you label someone a mean girl and call her a bully and completely exclude her from a party that will 100% be talked about at school. It's only going to make the situation worse.


OP already said this girl has friends in the other class. Curious you have so much empathy for the "you are so ugly!" girl but none for the birthday girl who just wants to have a fun party. It's not OPs job to bring attention to what the daughter is doing. Their concern is for and should be their own daughter. Do you know believe your kids when they tell you their troubles?


Sure I do! But I also want to get to the bottom of why this other girl is being so mean to her classmates. OP hasn't been the least bit curious about getting the whole story? Because she definitely is not getting the whole story. OP, if you think your kid is telling you everything about this situation, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

I'm not saying invite the other girl to the party. I'm saying get more information about what's going on before you decide to let your own daughter start down the mean girl track as well.

But I get it - being a kind, decent person takes some effort. God forbid we model it for our kids.


Please tell us about the last time you confronted a parent of a tween about their child's undesirable behavior and how that went.


It happened last year. A kid was taking my daughter's hair ties and water bottles and running around with them at recess and not giving them back. I knew the mom, and she was a nice, decent person. The next time I saw her I said, "Hey - what's going on with that?" And we had a talk about it. And it wasn't a big deal. It doesn't have to be a confrontation. If OP knows the parents and they are nice, why not just say hey what's going on? We want to make things better at school. If it blows up - fine. But what's the alternative? Having a miserable year that is just bound to get more miserable?

Sheesh - wouldn't you want to know if your kid was so mean at school she wasn't getting invited to a birthday party? These aren't teenagers. This kid is young enough to still be inviting all the girls (or at least all but one) to her birthday party. This situation could turn around or at least get better.


An 11 year old was taking hair ties and water bottles? At my kids school they are far more sophisticated and telling each other they are far too poor for certain water bottles, their clothes are ugly, they are jealous and want to be like them, and everything about them is wrong. I think you're still talking about 5 year olds.


OK.

The original issue here is that the OP's daughter is inviting EVERY girl in the class but this one. EVERY GIRL. That doesn't prick up your ears? That doesn't make you take a step back and wonder if some retaliation is in the works? They are all best friends and all of them are so so special that it would be devastating if they weren't invited? My fifth grader isn't best/party friends with EVERY girl in her class, and if she came home and said she wanted to invite all of them but one I would say HELL no. Full stop. You people are ridiculous.


No, this does not prick my ears in the slightest. The party is for the OP’s daughter. She wants to invite all the girls in her class except for the one who is mean to her. There is nothing strange or confusing about this. This isn’t small group, she’s not obligated to include everything and she doesn’t have to exclude people she likes so as not to hurt the feelings of someone who has no problem disregarding hers.

Full stop!!!


lol! Even little so-and-so...can't remember her last name but sure I want to invite her. NOT Larla. And Looloo. I've never said a word to her, but she can come. I WANT her there. But NOT Larla. I'm serious mom. It is very important that all of these random girls come. NOT Larla. It will make me so happy to have all these girls there. And NOT Larla. OP's daughter's got some serious retaliation and revenge in mind. But fine. Go ahead and be ok with that.

Y'all are trippin'. And just as mean as that little trash can eraser girl. More so because you're adults!


OP is talking about a fifth grade class with 11 girls in it. If they've been in school together since K, then I bet she knows all the girls pretty well. You're acting like she's at a school with 134 girls in fifth grade and she's making up who she wants to invite. Stick to the facts at least.


Are you kidding me? My daughter knows every girl in her class - for years - and they are all friendly. If she told me she was inviting all of them to her birthday party I would be very surprised. They aren't all friends! They like each other, but 4th/5th grade...you aren't inviting people you aren't super good friends with to your birthday party. And everyone but ONE girl? Come on.
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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t see how throwing away an eraser is somehow equivalent to excluding one girl out of the whole class. I wonder sometimes the mean little things our daughters do that we never know about while absolutely blasting someone else’s daughter for being a “mean girl” as if it’s their whole identity. Based on a story about an eraser.


Yeah this is mind boggling. A documented case of bullying usually involves teacher conferences, the principal gets involved, the parents are involved. It's a whole thing. This doesn't sound like bullying - this sounds like a pre-pubescent kid had a couple of hormonal days and took it out on their classmates (god forbid ). OP says the parents are nice - why not just talk to them and find out what's going on? There's time for this situation to get better and for everyone to have a better year at school. I don't see how excluding this kid from a birthday party is going to do that. If OP's kid is inviting all the girls in class as a rule, she should invite this girl. It's far-fetched that she's best buddies with all the girls in class and has to invite all of them but this girl.


I would say it is rare for bullying to be documented with teacher conferences. Those are the extreme cases. However, we all know that bullying is common and happens every day. But we’re not talking about a bully. We are talking about a mean girl which can be the same or different. The only person’s feelings who ultimately matter here are the birthday girls and she does not want the mean girl at her party and I don’t blame her one bit. I had lots of mean girls in my life, and I would not want them at my birthday party either.

With all of you who are advocating to invite her want a mean girl, or the mean queen bee (adult version) at your party? I think not, unless you’re a striver.


Not a striver. Just an adult who knows that kids are kids and that there's always more than one side to a story. This kid has been mean to her daughter and the whole class all year? And she knows the parents? And they are nice? And she hasn't said one word to them to try to figure out what's going on? Maybe this girl feels excluded at school by OP's daughter and her millions of friends. Maybe she has anxiety and has few tools to deal with it so she lashes out. I'm not saying invite her to the party. I'm saying get more information before you label someone a mean girl and call her a bully and completely exclude her from a party that will 100% be talked about at school. It's only going to make the situation worse.


OP already said this girl has friends in the other class. Curious you have so much empathy for the "you are so ugly!" girl but none for the birthday girl who just wants to have a fun party. It's not OPs job to bring attention to what the daughter is doing. Their concern is for and should be their own daughter. Do you know believe your kids when they tell you their troubles?


Sure I do! But I also want to get to the bottom of why this other girl is being so mean to her classmates. OP hasn't been the least bit curious about getting the whole story? Because she definitely is not getting the whole story. OP, if you think your kid is telling you everything about this situation, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

I'm not saying invite the other girl to the party. I'm saying get more information about what's going on before you decide to let your own daughter start down the mean girl track as well.

But I get it - being a kind, decent person takes some effort. God forbid we model it for our kids.


Please tell us about the last time you confronted a parent of a tween about their child's undesirable behavior and how that went.


It happened last year. A kid was taking my daughter's hair ties and water bottles and running around with them at recess and not giving them back. I knew the mom, and she was a nice, decent person. The next time I saw her I said, "Hey - what's going on with that?" And we had a talk about it. And it wasn't a big deal. It doesn't have to be a confrontation. If OP knows the parents and they are nice, why not just say hey what's going on? We want to make things better at school. If it blows up - fine. But what's the alternative? Having a miserable year that is just bound to get more miserable?

Sheesh - wouldn't you want to know if your kid was so mean at school she wasn't getting invited to a birthday party? These aren't teenagers. This kid is young enough to still be inviting all the girls (or at least all but one) to her birthday party. This situation could turn around or at least get better.


An 11 year old was taking hair ties and water bottles? At my kids school they are far more sophisticated and telling each other they are far too poor for certain water bottles, their clothes are ugly, they are jealous and want to be like them, and everything about them is wrong. I think you're still talking about 5 year olds.


OK.

The original issue here is that the OP's daughter is inviting EVERY girl in the class but this one. EVERY GIRL. That doesn't prick up your ears? That doesn't make you take a step back and wonder if some retaliation is in the works? They are all best friends and all of them are so so special that it would be devastating if they weren't invited? My fifth grader isn't best/party friends with EVERY girl in her class, and if she came home and said she wanted to invite all of them but one I would say HELL no. Full stop. You people are ridiculous.


No, this does not prick my ears in the slightest. The party is for the OP’s daughter. She wants to invite all the girls in her class except for the one who is mean to her. There is nothing strange or confusing about this. This isn’t small group, she’s not obligated to include everything and she doesn’t have to exclude people she likes so as not to hurt the feelings of someone who has no problem disregarding hers.

Full stop!!!


lol! Even little so-and-so...can't remember her last name but sure I want to invite her. NOT Larla. And Looloo. I've never said a word to her, but she can come. I WANT her there. But NOT Larla. I'm serious mom. It is very important that all of these random girls come. NOT Larla. It will make me so happy to have all these girls there. And NOT Larla. OP's daughter's got some serious retaliation and revenge in mind. But fine. Go ahead and be ok with that.

Y'all are trippin'. And just as mean as that little trash can eraser girl. More so because you're adults!


OP is talking about a fifth grade class with 11 girls in it. If they've been in school together since K, then I bet she knows all the girls pretty well. You're acting like she's at a school with 134 girls in fifth grade and she's making up who she wants to invite. Stick to the facts at least.


Are you kidding me? My daughter knows every girl in her class - for years - and they are all friendly. If she told me she was inviting all of them to her birthday party I would be very surprised. They aren't all friends! They like each other, but 4th/5th grade...you aren't inviting people you aren't super good friends with to your birthday party. And everyone but ONE girl? Come on.


The previous poster, to whom I responded, was acting like OP’s kid didn’t even know the names of the other girls in the class, only the one she wanted to exclude. I never said they were all friends. I said that poster was making things up.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see a problem with inviting all the girls but the bully. Absolutely do not force your child to invite someone who is mean to them. That teaches the wrong lesson. This is your kid's party, and she decides, within reason. Her reasons for leaving one girl out are very good. I would prepare her to respond if the girl asks about it, though, in a kind and honest way.


Agreed. I think if usually you are excluding one or a small number of kids, you'd need to be able to explain it if called out. Unlike a shy/awkward kid, this is a situation where I think you can be frank.


We declined to invite the girl who had been bullying my daughter since the beginning of school this year to a party in December (school was still in session). I reached out to the parents and told them that I couldn't invite her into our house because my daughter didn't want her there. Doing it slyly seems a little crappy?


DP. How did you tell them this? You are bad-ass, almost no one in my community would tell the bully’s parents directly what was what!


I know the parents because the dad and stepmom live on our street and the girls have been in school together for a few years (they're in fourth grade). We had problems with this girl in second grade (one time she hit my daughter in front of the teacher and there were also witnesses for many other incidents so it wasn't made up or exaggerated), they were separated in third grade but still saw each other at lunch and recess but things seemed to die down for that year, then this year it ramped way up when school started again and they ended up in the same class again. It was multiple months of mean comments, shoving on the playground, saying she wished my daughter would die, etc. leading up to the party.

I texted the dad and stepmom and asked if they were going to have the child the weekend of the party. (I had a vague idea of the 50/50 custody schedule and I didn't think they would but I wasn't sure). I explained that we were having a party at our house and that my daughter didn't want the other girl to come to her house because that made her uncomfortable. I had been up front with the parents about the school situation this year because I'm interested in coming up with a resolution to the bullying and I figured open communication with the parents might help that. I had previously told them what their daughter had done to mine because they had asked, and I had included them on emails to the teacher/school because they asked to be updated on what happened every day. I wasn't trying to "win" by being sneaky - I was trying to fix things between the girls. I don't think they were surprised when I told them about the party and they said they understood.

I don't think the girl is a bad kid, I think she's having a tough time with some things in her life, including her parents' divorce and both of the second marriages, but the way she was treating my daughter at school wasn't ok. I reached out to the dad and stepmom first because I knew them since they were neighbors and then also talked to her mom (separately - the mom and dad hate each other). I learned a lot about what was going on (the mom told me the kid told her all the time she wished her mom would die), and I told them that I was willing to work on a resolution to the extent possible because having my daughter in tears was awful and they're going to be in school together for years to come. I suppose it could have gone down differently, but the parents all acknowledged that the girl said horribly mean things, was physically abusive to her siblings, had a crazy temper, harbored a lot of anger about the divorce (which was precipitated by an affair), and was very hard to control. If the parents had denied that their kid could have done the things my daughter (and others) said this girl did, the situation might have been different, but I didn't do it unkindly, just matter-of-factly.


Huh, a step-mom. That sounds about right. A bio mom would have been all "not my baby!" But in this case, it sounds like the step mom would have no issues hearing about this knowing where to place the blame.


No, I also spoke with the mom. She acknowledged that her daughter said hurtful/rude things to her, that she hit her siblings regularly, and that she had a bad temper and was hard to control. I also spoke with the dad. The stepmom is the one I know the best, she is my neighbor, and she has the girl half the time, which is why I included her. I wasn't trying to find the parent who would be willing to acknowledge the kid had issues because she could just say it was someone else's fault...


Ok. But in this messy parenting situation I think it will hit different. Each parent is probably pointing fingers at the other.
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And? What’s your point? None of the parents said “not my baby!”
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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t see how throwing away an eraser is somehow equivalent to excluding one girl out of the whole class. I wonder sometimes the mean little things our daughters do that we never know about while absolutely blasting someone else’s daughter for being a “mean girl” as if it’s their whole identity. Based on a story about an eraser.


Yeah this is mind boggling. A documented case of bullying usually involves teacher conferences, the principal gets involved, the parents are involved. It's a whole thing. This doesn't sound like bullying - this sounds like a pre-pubescent kid had a couple of hormonal days and took it out on their classmates (god forbid ). OP says the parents are nice - why not just talk to them and find out what's going on? There's time for this situation to get better and for everyone to have a better year at school. I don't see how excluding this kid from a birthday party is going to do that. If OP's kid is inviting all the girls in class as a rule, she should invite this girl. It's far-fetched that she's best buddies with all the girls in class and has to invite all of them but this girl.


I would say it is rare for bullying to be documented with teacher conferences. Those are the extreme cases. However, we all know that bullying is common and happens every day. But we’re not talking about a bully. We are talking about a mean girl which can be the same or different. The only person’s feelings who ultimately matter here are the birthday girls and she does not want the mean girl at her party and I don’t blame her one bit. I had lots of mean girls in my life, and I would not want them at my birthday party either.

With all of you who are advocating to invite her want a mean girl, or the mean queen bee (adult version) at your party? I think not, unless you’re a striver.


Not a striver. Just an adult who knows that kids are kids and that there's always more than one side to a story. This kid has been mean to her daughter and the whole class all year? And she knows the parents? And they are nice? And she hasn't said one word to them to try to figure out what's going on? Maybe this girl feels excluded at school by OP's daughter and her millions of friends. Maybe she has anxiety and has few tools to deal with it so she lashes out. I'm not saying invite her to the party. I'm saying get more information before you label someone a mean girl and call her a bully and completely exclude her from a party that will 100% be talked about at school. It's only going to make the situation worse.


OP already said this girl has friends in the other class. Curious you have so much empathy for the "you are so ugly!" girl but none for the birthday girl who just wants to have a fun party. It's not OPs job to bring attention to what the daughter is doing. Their concern is for and should be their own daughter. Do you know believe your kids when they tell you their troubles?


Sure I do! But I also want to get to the bottom of why this other girl is being so mean to her classmates. OP hasn't been the least bit curious about getting the whole story? Because she definitely is not getting the whole story. OP, if you think your kid is telling you everything about this situation, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

I'm not saying invite the other girl to the party. I'm saying get more information about what's going on before you decide to let your own daughter start down the mean girl track as well.

But I get it - being a kind, decent person takes some effort. God forbid we model it for our kids.


Please tell us about the last time you confronted a parent of a tween about their child's undesirable behavior and how that went.


It happened last year. A kid was taking my daughter's hair ties and water bottles and running around with them at recess and not giving them back. I knew the mom, and she was a nice, decent person. The next time I saw her I said, "Hey - what's going on with that?" And we had a talk about it. And it wasn't a big deal. It doesn't have to be a confrontation. If OP knows the parents and they are nice, why not just say hey what's going on? We want to make things better at school. If it blows up - fine. But what's the alternative? Having a miserable year that is just bound to get more miserable?

Sheesh - wouldn't you want to know if your kid was so mean at school she wasn't getting invited to a birthday party? These aren't teenagers. This kid is young enough to still be inviting all the girls (or at least all but one) to her birthday party. This situation could turn around or at least get better.


An 11 year old was taking hair ties and water bottles? At my kids school they are far more sophisticated and telling each other they are far too poor for certain water bottles, their clothes are ugly, they are jealous and want to be like them, and everything about them is wrong. I think you're still talking about 5 year olds.


OK.

The original issue here is that the OP's daughter is inviting EVERY girl in the class but this one. EVERY GIRL. That doesn't prick up your ears? That doesn't make you take a step back and wonder if some retaliation is in the works? They are all best friends and all of them are so so special that it would be devastating if they weren't invited? My fifth grader isn't best/party friends with EVERY girl in her class, and if she came home and said she wanted to invite all of them but one I would say HELL no. Full stop. You people are ridiculous.


No, this does not prick my ears in the slightest. The party is for the OP’s daughter. She wants to invite all the girls in her class except for the one who is mean to her. There is nothing strange or confusing about this. This isn’t small group, she’s not obligated to include everything and she doesn’t have to exclude people she likes so as not to hurt the feelings of someone who has no problem disregarding hers.

Full stop!!!


lol! Even little so-and-so...can't remember her last name but sure I want to invite her. NOT Larla. And Looloo. I've never said a word to her, but she can come. I WANT her there. But NOT Larla. I'm serious mom. It is very important that all of these random girls come. NOT Larla. It will make me so happy to have all these girls there. And NOT Larla. OP's daughter's got some serious retaliation and revenge in mind. But fine. Go ahead and be ok with that.

Y'all are trippin'. And just as mean as that little trash can eraser girl. More so because you're adults!


OP is talking about a fifth grade class with 11 girls in it. If they've been in school together since K, then I bet she knows all the girls pretty well. You're acting like she's at a school with 134 girls in fifth grade and she's making up who she wants to invite. Stick to the facts at least.


Are you kidding me? My daughter knows every girl in her class - for years - and they are all friendly. If she told me she was inviting all of them to her birthday party I would be very surprised. They aren't all friends! They like each other, but 4th/5th grade...you aren't inviting people you aren't super good friends with to your birthday party. And everyone but ONE girl? Come on.


The previous poster, to whom I responded, was acting like OP’s kid didn’t even know the names of the other girls in the class, only the one she wanted to exclude. I never said they were all friends. I said that poster was making things up.


Oh good lord. It was satire to make a point.
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Still waiting for one decent explanation of why the cruel girl needs to be invited. Let's hear it. Examples have been provided in this thread, given those, justify why an invitation must be extended.


Don't you know hurt people hurt - not well adjusted people? I would try to stop the cycle which is why I said I would have my daughter either invite fewer girls or all of them. I don't condone being a bully, but I also know how to not exclude and be the bigger person.


The bigger person who's getting bullied and inviting someone who takes pleasure in hurting her. Bigger person is a way of protecting bullies.


I also think the term bully is overused. I would only use it in an extreme situation fwiw.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see a problem with inviting all the girls but the bully. Absolutely do not force your child to invite someone who is mean to them. That teaches the wrong lesson. This is your kid's party, and she decides, within reason. Her reasons for leaving one girl out are very good. I would prepare her to respond if the girl asks about it, though, in a kind and honest way.


Agreed. I think if usually you are excluding one or a small number of kids, you'd need to be able to explain it if called out. Unlike a shy/awkward kid, this is a situation where I think you can be frank.


We declined to invite the girl who had been bullying my daughter since the beginning of school this year to a party in December (school was still in session). I reached out to the parents and told them that I couldn't invite her into our house because my daughter didn't want her there. Doing it slyly seems a little crappy?


DP. How did you tell them this? You are bad-ass, almost no one in my community would tell the bully’s parents directly what was what!


I know the parents because the dad and stepmom live on our street and the girls have been in school together for a few years (they're in fourth grade). We had problems with this girl in second grade (one time she hit my daughter in front of the teacher and there were also witnesses for many other incidents so it wasn't made up or exaggerated), they were separated in third grade but still saw each other at lunch and recess but things seemed to die down for that year, then this year it ramped way up when school started again and they ended up in the same class again. It was multiple months of mean comments, shoving on the playground, saying she wished my daughter would die, etc. leading up to the party.

I texted the dad and stepmom and asked if they were going to have the child the weekend of the party. (I had a vague idea of the 50/50 custody schedule and I didn't think they would but I wasn't sure). I explained that we were having a party at our house and that my daughter didn't want the other girl to come to her house because that made her uncomfortable. I had been up front with the parents about the school situation this year because I'm interested in coming up with a resolution to the bullying and I figured open communication with the parents might help that. I had previously told them what their daughter had done to mine because they had asked, and I had included them on emails to the teacher/school because they asked to be updated on what happened every day. I wasn't trying to "win" by being sneaky - I was trying to fix things between the girls. I don't think they were surprised when I told them about the party and they said they understood.

I don't think the girl is a bad kid, I think she's having a tough time with some things in her life, including her parents' divorce and both of the second marriages, but the way she was treating my daughter at school wasn't ok. I reached out to the dad and stepmom first because I knew them since they were neighbors and then also talked to her mom (separately - the mom and dad hate each other). I learned a lot about what was going on (the mom told me the kid told her all the time she wished her mom would die), and I told them that I was willing to work on a resolution to the extent possible because having my daughter in tears was awful and they're going to be in school together for years to come. I suppose it could have gone down differently, but the parents all acknowledged that the girl said horribly mean things, was physically abusive to her siblings, had a crazy temper, harbored a lot of anger about the divorce (which was precipitated by an affair), and was very hard to control. If the parents had denied that their kid could have done the things my daughter (and others) said this girl did, the situation might have been different, but I didn't do it unkindly, just matter-of-factly.


Huh, a step-mom. That sounds about right. A bio mom would have been all "not my baby!" But in this case, it sounds like the step mom would have no issues hearing about this knowing where to place the blame.


No, I also spoke with the mom. She acknowledged that her daughter said hurtful/rude things to her, that she hit her siblings regularly, and that she had a bad temper and was hard to control. I also spoke with the dad. The stepmom is the one I know the best, she is my neighbor, and she has the girl half the time, which is why I included her. I wasn't trying to find the parent who would be willing to acknowledge the kid had issues because she could just say it was someone else's fault...


Ok. But in this messy parenting situation I think it will hit different. Each parent is probably pointing fingers at the other.
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And? What’s your point? None of the parents said “not my baby!”


Right, because the parents hate each other. So easy to point fingers. If there isn't anyone to blame the parents are much less likely to consider that perhaps they are the one to blame and accept responsibility. This is pretty obvious. If they can't blame the parent they will blame your child.
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