Did not get into Georgetown or Notre Dame. Now what?

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Anonymous wrote:We toured Georgetown last Spring. Did the big group conference in the hall and then broke into groups for the campus tour.

My DS was literally 1 of 6 cis white males out of the entire group of about 100 prospects. The vast majority of the others were Asian and Indian males. Girls were barely represented.

He didn't even apply. He is high stats, his mom is an undegrad and grad school alum, and his grandfather taught there for two decades.

It isn't what it used to be.

You sound deeply prejudiced against non whites, yet claim that the school is "MAGA idiots" - which one is it?

I never said anything about MAGA and I never said anything derogatory about non whites. I offered factual observations.

You sound like you're racist aginst whites. Why is that?

The irony of 'protecting' Indian and Asian males. Like, I'm literally lmfao- those groups are the most misgynistic and racist group you could ever find on the entire planet. Their culture still celebrates arranged marriages and rape as punishment. GMAFB. White dudes from West Virginia are centuries more cultured than them.

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Anonymous wrote:Kings College in Wilkes Barre - 5 year engineering program to Notre Dame. Also have business degree with Washington University in St Louis. You come out with degrees from both. (School founded by priests from Notre Dame so super close)

The attrition rate for 3-2 programs is horrendous. Approximately 5% make it to the engineering program.

OP's kid is in the 5% -- they belong at Georgetown and Notre Damem

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

50 Catholic schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I like the St Joe’s and LaSalle suggestions.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.

I posted in another group that one of my high school acquaintances left Penn State after sophomore year to transfer to Yale. That was surprising to me.

When a dream opportunity fails to materialize, it seems to me it's worth asking: 1) how else can I achieve/get something similar and 2) is it possible to try again?

If this is soul-crushing...what about a (working) gap year or transferring after a first year spent elsewhere.

Does it have to be a Catholic school?

I have a family member who attended Pitt undergrad and Georgetown grad. Try Pitt maybe?

Transfers are for low end legacies, to help suppress the ALDC numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.

My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.

Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to, but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors.

[b]The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected, let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots.

It does. Kids are blasting applications everywhere. In the 1980s, 1990s--you would apply to 4-5 colleges. Now kids are applying to all 8 Ivies, every top 10 and most of the top 25. So now these schools have close to 50,000-75,000 applicants. It does matter.

Test optional is an other reason these kids are now applying to so many schools too (minus Gtown of couse which isn't TO). A kid that had a 1200 SAT (which was like a 1080 back in the late 80s) would not bother applying to any Ivies--even with a 4.0. Now kids just don't send the scores and VIOLA! you get huge numbers. The screening/cutoff isn't there.

It has adapted. With the deemphasized on test scores and other achievement metrics, the most accomplished applicants cannot be assumed to be the most deserving of admission. Rather than seeking students with the most distinguished academic records, a school might seek those who best represent the state from a demographic perspective or those that will benefit most from the curriculum.

Yeah, but I suspect that is changing as schools have learned that an A from Podunk HS is not the same as an A from other schools it may know better. Colleges and universities have had to invest millions in remedial classes and tutoring for “straight A” kids, TO, who were just passed through. It’s maddening. Then these kids, with excessive extra help, will graduate from top schools. Some will have flourished, learned how to study, worked hard and really be just as meritorious as the kids who went to top rated high schools and killed testing as well. But there will be others that just don’t measure up. That will become the employer’s problem. It’s really not fair. I expect to see more colleges and universities revoke TO, just as MIT did.

Who is it not fair to? Your child, or the students the schools accepted?

I’m the person who posted above. I wasn’t referring to my child or to the students the schools accepted. I think it is unfair to the kids who were not accepted who may have been more capable and to the future employers who get the duds. I mean, this has always happened - a few mistake admits slip through - but it’s become more prevalent with TO.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

+1

And drop all the Jesuit school ideas. Kids like Notre Dame for school spirit, campus, sports, quality of education, programs, and alumni network.

So other schools that offer an attractive residential experience, sports, and top academic programs are probably the best bet.

Ummm…the kids I know who go to Notre Dame are very devout Catholics, rather conservative, and definitely anti-abortion. If they did not get accepted by Notre Dame, they would look at other Catholic universities and colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

“Holistic” review…honestly, given the surge in applications, I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are a bunch of twenty-something-year-old admissions counselors who just open apps, hit decline and move on. With very few exceptions, the admissions staff simply have not added enough staff to fairly and holistically review all 100,000 apps or whatever huge number schools get nowadays.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

+1

And drop all the Jesuit school ideas. Kids like Notre Dame for school spirit, campus, sports, quality of education, programs, and alumni network.

So other schools that offer an attractive residential experience, sports, and top academic programs are probably the best bet.

Davidson

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

50 Catholic schools?

OP didn't say anything about Catholic.
ND and GU were top choices for my non-Catholic business major Asian kid. Doing great at ND.

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Anonymous wrote:We toured Georgetown last Spring. Did the big group conference in the hall and then broke into groups for the campus tour.

My DS was literally 1 of 6 cis white males out of the entire group of about 100 prospects. The vast majority of the others were Asian and Indian males. Girls were barely represented.

He didn't even apply. He is high stats, his mom is an undegrad and grad school alum, and his grandfather taught there for two decades.

It isn't what it used to be.

You sound deeply prejudiced against non whites, yet claim that the school is "MAGA idiots" - which one is it?

I never said anything about MAGA and I never said anything derogatory about non whites. I offered factual observations.

You sound like you're racist aginst whites. Why is that?

The irony of 'protecting' Indian and Asian males. Like, I'm literally lmfao- those groups are the most misgynistic and racist group you could ever find on the entire planet. Their culture still celebrates arranged marriages and rape as punishment. GMAFB. White dudes from West Virginia are centuries more cultured than them.

It's very ignorant to lump Asians into a single group. An asian country like Japan is probably the most advanced country overall - economy, social stability, education level, crime rate, et. as a whole package. Other contries like Korea, Singapore, etc are also very advanced as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

“Holistic” review…honestly, given the surge in applications, I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are a bunch of twenty-something-year-old admissions counselors who just open apps, hit decline and move on. With very few exceptions, the admissions staff simply have not added enough staff to fairly and holistically review all 100,000 apps or whatever huge number schools get nowadays.

Yep. This definitely happens. Can you imagine---it's Friday afternoon.... you have 500 apps to go through. Or you just decline them all and start your weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

“Holistic” review…honestly, given the surge in applications, I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are a bunch of twenty-something-year-old admissions counselors who just open apps, hit decline and move on. With very few exceptions, the admissions staff simply have not added enough staff to fairly and holistically review all 100,000 apps or whatever huge number schools get nowadays.

Yep. This definitely happens. Can you imagine---it's Friday afternoon.... you have 500 apps to go through. Or you just decline them all and start your weekend.

You are both wildly incorrect, thankfully.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

💯

Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

“Holistic” review…honestly, given the surge in applications, I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are a bunch of twenty-something-year-old admissions counselors who just open apps, hit decline and move on. With very few exceptions, the admissions staff simply have not added enough staff to fairly and holistically review all 100,000 apps or whatever huge number schools get nowadays.

Yep. This definitely happens. Can you imagine---it's Friday afternoon.... you have 500 apps to go through. Or you just decline them all and start your weekend.

You are both wildly incorrect, thankfully.

How do you know that?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

+1

And drop all the Jesuit school ideas. Kids like Notre Dame for school spirit, campus, sports, quality of education, programs, and alumni network.

So other schools that offer an attractive residential experience, sports, and top academic programs are probably the best bet.

Ummm…the kids I know who go to Notre Dame are very devout Catholics, rather conservative, and definitely anti-abortion. If they did not get accepted by Notre Dame, they would look at other Catholic universities and colleges.

The kids I know are on the opposite end of that spectrum. These schools have a whole range of students. Knock it off with the stereotyping.