NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

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funny side note re: Mexican War/Mexico vs US in general

we were visiting my in laws in San Antonio area the week leading up to Christmas. One day, we decided to go downtown and we started talking about the Alamo. The TX born and bred in the group could NOT tell my children any information on the Battle of the Alamo. I was in shock - isn't that what is drilled into the head of every TX student from birth?

Not to mention, these folks have lived in San Antonio for almost 50 years.

I was the only one who could provide any useful information, and I grew up in the mid-atlantic

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

President George H.W. Bush signs NAFTA
President Bush spoke at the OAS on the benefits of the North American Free Trade Agreement, an international treaty intended to encourage trade between the U.S., Canada and Mexico by lowering trade barriers between the three countries. The president signed the agreement following his prepared remarks.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4683504/president-george-hw-bush-signs-nafta

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

So two Republican Administrations negotiated NAFTA, GHW Bush signed NAFTA, 75% of Republicans in Congress voted to ratify it, but it is all Bill Clinton’s fault because he signed the ratification by Congress?

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

So two Republican Administrations negotiated NAFTA, GHW Bush signed NAFTA, 75% of Republicans in Congress voted to ratify it, but it is all Bill Clinton’s fault because he signed the ratification by Congress?

You've been playing the Opression Olympics for too long to realize that Clinton, like every POTUS, is responsible for everything he does. He's not a slave to whatever process some previous POTUS started.

So, for good and for bad, indeed CLinton owns both NAFTA and China's joining the WTO, and nope he does not own 9/11.

Not rocket science may I add.

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

So two Republican Administrations negotiated NAFTA, GHW Bush signed NAFTA, 75% of Republicans in Congress voted to ratify it, but it is all Bill Clinton’s fault because he signed the ratification by Congress?

You've been playing the Opression Olympics for too long to realize that Clinton, like every POTUS, is responsible for everything he does. He's not a slave to whatever process some previous POTUS started.

So, for good and for bad, indeed CLinton owns both NAFTA and China's joining the WTO, and nope he does not own 9/11.

Not rocket science may I add.

You are just a gaslighter. NAFTA, China MFN, WTO, etc., were and still are all supported first and foremost by the business and financial establishment that is predominantly Republican. Free trade agreements were fully supported by Republican Administrations and reluctantly tolerated by Democratic Administrations who are generally afraid to oppose the business and financial establishment. Also technology advancements and automation are responsible for most of the manufacturing job losses in the U.S., not international trade.

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

So two Republican Administrations negotiated NAFTA, GHW Bush signed NAFTA, 75% of Republicans in Congress voted to ratify it, but it is all Bill Clinton’s fault because he signed the ratification by Congress?

You've been playing the Opression Olympics for too long to realize that Clinton, like every POTUS, is responsible for everything he does. He's not a slave to whatever process some previous POTUS started.

So, for good and for bad, indeed CLinton owns both NAFTA and China's joining the WTO, and nope he does not own 9/11.

Not rocket science may I add.

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[Anonymous]

I didn’t read this thread, but I’m black and definitely not voting for Biden, even if that means trump. I voted for biden the first time, but the general elitism, and pandering to race relations and social justice, the lack of account ability for the border issue, and the whole defund the police ethos of Biden / Kamala is a nonstarter for me at this point.

Lastly, this whole obsession with January 6th, which essentially amounted to a riot but is being played off as an armed rebellion with bloodshed and death, gives me the creeps. When it occurred, I figured ok, arrest all those guys for trespassing, breaking windows, etc., but to treat it as if a bunch of basement dwelling men who were unarmed were actually attempting and had a legitimate shot at overthrowing the US government, the US military, etc is just absurd to me. Biden has openly said on camera that an AR-15 is worthless for fighting against a tyrannical government because they have tanks, helicopters, etc, but yet he is claiming that a bunch of unarmed Q-anon-esque crazies almost overthrew the entire US government and military. It just doesn’t make sense, and is clearly an attempt to keep trump from running. It sets a bad precedent — the voters can decide who they want, and we don’t need the “adults in the room” making that decision for us.

Hopefully we can get back to sane politics so I don’t have to vote for trump, but I can’t sit by and vote according to how you all want me to vote just due to my skin color.

*cue the insults and accusations of me being a MAGA republican despite the fact that I am a 45 year old black accountant from Bowie MD who voted for Gore, Obama, and Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

Dp- the people didn’t vote for Perot. They wanted NAFTA, as it had been sold to them by republicans. We’re going on 50 years of republicans selling us crappy economic policy and then turning around and crying that the democrats didn’t save us from their terrible leadership.

[Anonymous]

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

Do better research. NAFTA was started by Reagan and negotiated by Bush 41. Clinton negotiated side deals on labor and environmental issues before sending it to Congress where 75% of Republicans and 40% of Democrats voted for it.

NAFTA was better than no NAFTA because trade with Mexico and Canada is better for the US than trade with Asia which was the most likely alternative. A huge part of NAFTA trade is related-party trade, shipments of supply chain parts and components between affiliates and subsidiaries of the same company.

Sorry, you're quite misguided on the facts. Like it or not, it was Clinton who actually signed it and implrmented it.

On NAFTA: "Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994."

(Needless to say, that's a full year into Clinton's Presidency, so your blaming Reagan shows your colors too much)

You are clueless. It was negotiated over several years beginning in the Reagan administration. The NAFTA treaty itself was signed by Bush. Clinton then added side agreements on labor and environment and signed the law that ratified it after it passed Congress by mostly Republican votes:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575

Here are your buddies at the Heritage Foundation in 1993:

The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized
https://www.heritage.org/trade/report/the-north-american-free-trade-agreement-ronald-reagans-vision-realized

I see. So you blame 9/11 on Clinton because after all he's the one who started the "root causes" of it. And of course you'll hold Biden and Pelosi responsible on a potential war with China in 5 years because of their aggressive words and actions now.

Sorry but nope. POTUS are responsible for what they do and sign since Day 1, and it's dumb to pretend to blame the previous POTUS. This is always the case, and it's even more obvious when you do something a full year after taking office.

You are embarrassing yourself. NAFTA was a treaty that took a decade to negotiate and ratify and the Republican establishment started it and supported it throughout and yes Clinton went along with the business establishment and sent Bush’s treaty to Congress for ratification.

You are embarrasing itself. Clinton could have done a million more things before CHOOSING to sign and implement it. Again, remember Perot?

I notice too you're ignoring the even bigger issue of Clinton, China and the WTO. Why might that be?

Because there hasn’t been and won’t be a “profound increase in black voters who support trump,” is that why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

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Blames the immigrants, lets every business off the hook for all their decisions and policies… yep, PP is a Republican. And Republicans don’t care for facts or understand consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read this thread, but I’m black and definitely not voting for Biden, even if that means trump. I voted for biden the first time, but the general elitism, and pandering to race relations and social justice, the lack of account ability for the border issue, and the whole defund the police ethos of Biden / Kamala is a nonstarter for me at this point.

Lastly, this whole obsession with January 6th, which essentially amounted to a riot but is being played off as an armed rebellion with bloodshed and death, gives me the creeps. When it occurred, I figured ok, arrest all those guys for trespassing, breaking windows, etc., but to treat it as if a bunch of basement dwelling men who were unarmed were actually attempting and had a legitimate shot at overthrowing the US government, the US military, etc is just absurd to me. Biden has openly said on camera that an AR-15 is worthless for fighting against a tyrannical government because they have tanks, helicopters, etc, but yet he is claiming that a bunch of unarmed Q-anon-esque crazies almost overthrew the entire US government and military. It just doesn’t make sense, and is clearly an attempt to keep trump from running. It sets a bad precedent — the voters can decide who they want, and we don’t need the “adults in the room” making that decision for us.

Hopefully we can get back to sane politics so I don’t have to vote for trump, but I can’t sit by and vote according to how you all want me to vote just due to my skin color.

*cue the insults and accusations of me being a MAGA republican despite the fact that I am a 45 year old black accountant from Bowie MD who voted for Gore, Obama, and Biden.

Here's an idea. focus on the big picture. the economy. the rule of law. the ethical behavior of people. don't just make checks, but actually try to measure using an analog metric how bad each is. Then you'll know how to vote.