The deflated grading is just exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

You lost me with “a top public.” Sorry there is no comparison. There are no publics in this area that compare to privates.

So predictably arrogant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

And yet you no doubt brag about your kid being in a “top” private. That’s what it means to be there. I thought you wanted rigor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

What the heck are you saying?
It's this kind of bullsh$%t reply that makes DCUM so maddening.

My kid is in a hard history class at a Big3 school. The grading is based entirely (100%) on the results of exams (2 per quarter plus a midterm). Nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of GPA are you talking about? At what GPA is a Big 3 probably not worth it?

Frankly? Under about a 3.7.

I'm curious about your post. Can you explain your thought process? Why, in your opinion, is a 3.7 UW GPA at a big 3 not worth it?

well below a 3.7 from a Big3 and your college options start to be spotty or random--you may get into a selective school or you may not. And this kid would likely have a much higher GPA in public and probably more options.

OP this is your first/ only child isn’t it?

I’ve got news for you, toots, as one who has / had 3 at Big 3s. I don’t care what GPA or test score your kid ends up with. S/he could have a 4.0/ 1600 and I would still bet my house against the chance that your kid will be admitted to HYP. It just doesn’t happen that often except in the rarest of circumstances and if your child meets those you would have known it by middle school

Best advice for you is to lower your expectations considerably. Fall in love with safety schools, not reaches or even targets.

Your use of "toots" is nauseating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

What the heck are you saying?
It's this kind of bullsh$%t reply that makes DCUM so maddening.

My kid is in a hard history class at a Big3 school. The grading is based entirely (100%) on the results of exams (2 per quarter plus a midterm). Nothing else.

My kid's grade in her U.S. History class (junior) at a Big 3 school includes their participation, homework, essays, and quizzes and tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

So just to clarify, you want the average to be a 95?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

What the heck are you saying?
It's this kind of bullsh$%t reply that makes DCUM so maddening.

My kid is in a hard history class at a Big3 school. The grading is based entirely (100%) on the results of exams (2 per quarter plus a midterm). Nothing else.

My kid's grade in her U.S. History class (junior) at a Big 3 school includes their participation, homework, essays, and quizzes and tests.

and your point is?
The previous poster was proclaiming that teachers grade in a certain manner. Which just isn't true for all teachers, including all teachers at the Big3 .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

So just to clarify, you want the average to be a 95?

Different poster. Go away; you're an ass. 95 was not mentioned anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

What the heck are you saying?
It's this kind of bullsh$%t reply that makes DCUM so maddening.

My kid is in a hard history class at a Big3 school. The grading is based entirely (100%) on the results of exams (2 per quarter plus a midterm). Nothing else.

My kid's grade in her U.S. History class (junior) at a Big 3 school includes their participation, homework, essays, and quizzes and tests.

and your point is?
The previous poster was proclaiming that teachers grade in a certain manner. Which just isn't true for all teachers, including all teachers at the Big3 .

My point was that you can't always compare performance on standardized tests with a student's grades because there are other factors involved in determining the latter. Are you always this dismissive and condescending?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no grade deflation going on that I have heard of

Clearly you haven't read the threads where people are reporting that certain teachers at "Big 3"-type schools literally don't give out any As, and the best possible grade is A-/B+.

That is not grade deflation unless they are purposely curving down the grades after the fact. If those are the grades the students earned, I don't see any problem with it.

I do see a problem with a student earning a 97% and curving that down to a 93% because the teacher "does not give any A's"

Parents complain about everything under the sun on this forum - not all of it is worthwhile to complain about.

You don’t get it. Grade deflation = work that would get A+in public schools or second tier privates getting an A- or B+. Kids that get 1600 SATS and 5s on all their APs struggling to hold onto an 3.7 unweighted GPA.

So earning an A+ is now the expectation? I'm of the generation that "B" meant "good work." These days, anything less than an A in private schools is deemed grade deflation, when these schools are preserving the traditional grade of A=excellent, B=good, C=satisfactory, etc. Also, teachers include many factors in their grades, not just mastery of the material. There's daily preparation, participation in class, group work, meeting deadlines, etc. Standardized tests don't measure these factors, so, you know, apples and oranges.

What the heck are you saying?
It's this kind of bullsh$%t reply that makes DCUM so maddening.

My kid is in a hard history class at a Big3 school. The grading is based entirely (100%) on the results of exams (2 per quarter plus a midterm). Nothing else.

My kid's grade in her U.S. History class (junior) at a Big 3 school includes their participation, homework, essays, and quizzes and tests.

and your point is?
The previous poster was proclaiming that teachers grade in a certain manner. Which just isn't true for all teachers, including all teachers at the Big3 .

My point was that you can't always compare performance on standardized tests with a student's grades because there are other factors involved in determining the latter. Are you always this dismissive and condescending?

no, you're the one being dismissive and condescending. There are many teachers at these Big3 schools who DON'T factor anything into grades but performance on tests. You keep dismissing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not grade deflating. That's normal even in public school now. Your kid needs to work harder.

You’re correct about everything except public schools. Grade inflation is absolutely rampant in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

This is a real substantive difference between the good area public schools and good area private schools. It is exponentially more difficult to earn top marks. Candidly, it’s a reason that I moved my child. For us, we valued the way privates graded and chose this for reasons that have already been described. My sense is that others in our shoes either didn’t realize or didn’t believe this would happen to them/their child.