Spanish Immersion Community Table Session

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

I don't have a kid in an option school and I want to say I really just don't agree with this at all and I want the option people to know probably many people don't.

APS's core mission is to educate and serve every child. Who are you to say a neighborhood-based school is more important than an option program? Those kids and those families are being educated and served by APS same as our kids and no they shouldn't just take whatever scraps are left over by the neighborhood-based students.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

The option schools are not getting "priority" over neighborhood schools. Dear god. They need to move the option school to a place where it can survive and thrive. That is not giving it priority. But they have an obligation to try to make the program successful for those students same as they have an obligation to try to make neighborhood-based schools successful for that set of students. And sorry, your kid having to take a bus when they used to walk and/or possibly being separated from some friends (something MANY elementary students already do in this County and it really just is not a big deal) is not the top concern, nor should it be.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

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I have two kiddos in the program and I am hoping it moves and I am not even sure I care which school it moves to at this point -- Gunston is overcrowded. People say the immersion program is "sheltered" from whatever school they are in but that is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

Doubtful, but PP’s point is that if immersion goes away, only a handful of the kids currently immersion at GMS will go up WMS, because almost none of them are zoned for that school. So you would still need to move the boundaries north.

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If they are going to have to redraw the boundaries anyway, every middle school should be on the table and go through the same analysis for where to move Immersion—Hamm, Jefferson, Swanson included. Let’s see all the data.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

The original reason the working group recommended moving immersion to Kenmore was so that more Key families would stick with immersion beyond ES. Are you saying Claremont families would all be ok with the longer commute the Key families are currently leaving because of? That doesn't make any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

The original reason the working group recommended moving immersion to Kenmore was so that more Key families would stick with immersion beyond ES. Are you saying Claremont families would all be ok with the longer commute the Key families are currently leaving because of? That doesn't make any sense.

Considering that at least half are there primarily because Claremont is not Randolph, Carlin Springs, Drew, etc., you might be surprised how many are willing to travel to not be at Gunston.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

Actually no. We made a deliberate choice to live in a neighborhood zoned for Gunston and for Wakefield so that if our kids got into immersion our kids would also have MS and HS peers from their neighborhood. We had no idea APS moves boundaries as much as it does. As an anecdote, in the 20+ years that my partner and I, and our siblings were going through various ES, MS, and HS, none of our schools ever changed boundaries. It is really strange how frequently APS changes boundaries and we absolutely had no idea.

Isn't there a neighborhood transfer option for MS? I know people who have used that.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

The original reason the working group recommended moving immersion to Kenmore was so that more Key families would stick with immersion beyond ES. Are you saying Claremont families would all be ok with the longer commute the Key families are currently leaving because of? That doesn't make any sense.

Considering that at least half are there primarily because Claremont is not Randolph, Carlin Springs, Drew, etc., you might be surprised how many are willing to travel to not be at Gunston.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

If every immersion student left the program and it shut down, your little darling would still be rezoned for WMS. Very, very few immersion students are zoned for WMS, so boundaries would still move north.

This is a population growth issue, not an option school issue.

Oh please, all 300 will follow the program if it moves to WMS.

The original reason the working group recommended moving immersion to Kenmore was so that more Key families would stick with immersion beyond ES. Are you saying Claremont families would all be ok with the longer commute the Key families are currently leaving because of? That doesn't make any sense.

Considering that at least half are there primarily because Claremont is not Randolph, Carlin Springs, Drew, etc., you might be surprised how many are willing to travel to not be at Gunston.

Lol. This is bogus.

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Ironically, half of the students in Immersion are from Kenmore. So they’ll just be going home TJ and Hamm contribute a lot as well

Look at the transfer and option report, huge percentage from central Arlington

I honestly suspect a lot of Immersion is to avoid Kenmore, so it’s actually more likely they will stay in Immersion at WMS; if they are forced to return to Kenmore I imagine many will simply move when kids enter middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:So much irrational anger towers the immersion program. Boundaries are shifting because of population growth in S Arlington, not because of immersion. The program hasn't changed in size. Student shifts are not because of the immersion program. APS needs to move students north.

If only there was a group of about 300 students that you could move from Gunston to Williamsburg without impacting all of the other boundaries...

So your proposal is to bus Hispanic students all the way across the county so that a few privileged N Arlington students don't have to attend their next closest MS?

Are we really going to pretend that the Immersion population that lives near Gunston, which heavily draws from Claremont, is predominantly disadvantaged? Claremont that is 27% FARMS despite all surrounding schools that are 50%+?

Are you trying to say that Taylor and WMS aren't economically privileged students?

No, I'm saying you're exaggerating the hardship for students who live in Fairlington to go to Williamsburg.

Also, everyone always complains about how North Arlington schools aren't diverse enough. Well, here's your chance to be the change.

I think you're exaggerating the burden for Taylor students to attend WMS. That's where they went before Hamm opened.

So you don’t want more diversity in N Arlington schools?

Are you seriously proposing busing to desegregate N Arlington school?

It’s an option program, not a neighborhood school. Kids in option programs can be bused anywhere there is space. That’s why it’s optional. It’s not forced busing and you sound like an idiot even comparing this to that.

You should brush up on your history. Busing for "optional" magnet schools is no less controversial.

Which history is that? Not sure what you’re referring to.

The history of busing and desegregation in Arlington. I am a new poster but the original option schools in Arlington were designed to force desegregation through busing

You should break out your dictionary and look up “option” and “force”.

Or maybe you should look at the history of busing in Arlington. They created an option school at Drew. Then they forcibly bused the kids out of the neighborhood because they could no longer attend at Drew. In fact, they used to bus kids from opposite sides of the street to different schools do kids were broken up from their neighborhood unit. Not saying that is happening here. JUST saying Arlington has a nasty history of using busing to deal with desegregation. It isn't wrong for folks to be concerned even if you think it is no big deal.

This isn’t that. Moving Immersion to WMS actually helps keep more students in their neighborhood schools rather than moving them out for an option program (look at the adjusted Kenmore boundary). It’s an entirely different situation, and sadly it is not unique to Arlington. Desegregation was the right thing to do, it was the wrong approach, and it’s far more complicated than just a schools issue. But in a world in which a duplex can be stopped with just a threat of a lawsuit citing a covenant on a deed from almost 100 years ago, it’s not going to be unwound while I live and breath.

Kids in neighborhood schools aren't any more deserving then kids in choice schools. The move is hard on all students. It will be hard for kids to move out of Gunston. It will be hard for kids to move out of their neighborhood school. We have some kids in immersion now that will be going through their third school move when the program moves from Gunston (when certain neighborhoods were rezone from Claremont to Key, when Key moved buildings and now when Immersion leaves Gunston). That has all been hard.

It’s not a matter of more or less deserving. It’s a matter of choice. Families who have enrolled their children in option schools or programs are aware of trade-offs, such as being far from home (whether that’s a little or a lot far, not going to school with neighbors, being on teams and activities that are not neighborhood-based). Families who have not opted for theses trade-offs should be considered in a different light because they have not signed up for these trade-offs. Also, they don’t have a fall-back if it’s not working out. Families in option programs and schools can always leave and return to the neighborhood school. There is no alternative for families and kids who are at the neighborhood school. See the difference? Lastly, the number of children affected matters. There are so many more kids in neighborhood schools than option programs and schools. The sheer volume alone means their needs take priority. Do we make a decision based on what’s best/most convenient for 300 students, many of whom are not racial or ethnic minorities or economically disadvantaged, or for the 4,000 students, many of whom are racial or ethnic minorities AND economically disadvantaged?

You're a proponent of haves get more and have nots must always suffer. You're a proponent of second-class schools and less worthy students. There is no other way to see your viewpoint. At best, your argument is based on an conclusion (still immoral, as it is) that, by definition, option schools and their students must never receive anything unless neighborhoods first are unaffected. Disavow it all you want... It's people like you who always emerge from the woodwork whenever anything is proposed for options who say neighborhoods are more deserving...more natural...more the way it ought to be (and get off my lawn!).

If you feel slighted return to your neighborhood school. Options should wait not have priority over neighborhood schools, they are not core missions of APS

The option schools are not getting "priority" over neighborhood schools. Dear god. They need to move the option school to a place where it can survive and thrive. That is not giving it priority. But they have an obligation to try to make the program successful for those students same as they have an obligation to try to make neighborhood-based schools successful for that set of students. And sorry, your kid having to take a bus when they used to walk and/or possibly being separated from some friends (something MANY elementary students already do in this County and it really just is not a big deal) is not the top concern, nor should it be.

If the optional educational experience isn’t strong enough to survive anywhere in this geographically small county, then it’s catering to too small of a population. Get rid of it. We don’t have to have all the options folks.