3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Just saw this news and I am kinda shaken even though at this point I shouldn't be I guess.

My question is, how many shootings like this have to happen in conservative states like TX and TN before they finally ban guns?

The Answer? Sadly...a LOT more blood. Until the children of 90% of gun rights activists are dead, nothing will change. It's a lot of blood, and it's very sad.

But this is clear to me now. Uvalde changed nothing, and this poor little Christian school may change nothing. Too few dead. It sounds horrible and it IS horrible but what else am i supposed to think at this point?

Gun violence in schools is like a regularly scheduled disaster at this point.

The GOP doesn’t care about dead children. The care about gun ownership and forcing women to have babies. Once they come through the birth canal they need to stay out of the way of gun owners’ rights. These kids need to run faster or probably carry a gun. Take your preschooler to the shooting range. The answer is more guns, always.

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My own working theory is these things keep happening so that it’s always too soon to have a tough conversation about guns.

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Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Per the perusal of Foxnews comments every time something like this happens, it's:

-That we don't have enough armed guards at schools ("lots of retired veterans would be happy to guard schools!") ignoring that we have mass shootings with armed guards anyways, and at other locations besides schools including concerts, malls, movie theaters, workplaces, churches, and on and on
-That we don't arm teachers (most teachers don't want to be armed, I know many of them and they have enough to worry about let alone carrying a loaded gun that kids could easily get ahold of)
-That it's our lack of family values as a country/society in the USA that is to blame (specifically democratic erosion of traditional family values)... basically a "shrug, can't do nothing about that till we have better morals!" response that is useless
-We have enough gun laws, more won't do anything

blah blah blah. Conservatives have absolutely nothing helpful to say and it keeps happening and rinse and repeat.

Tbh I just pray it happens at schools filled with the kids of Republican elites. Then only way they change their tune is when it happens to them. They don’t give a f#ck about anyone else.

That said, I wish for a world with strong gun control and an absence of school shootings.

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, I am also shocked at how ghoulish the Republican elites conduct themselves. Democrats have been begging for 20 years for sensible gun reforms and the Republicans just grow more extreme, egged on by our lunatic Supreme Court.

If we are going to have a country with mass shootings, I’m going to pray that it mostly affects those who enable it to happen and block good-faith reforms. Reap what you sow, and all that.

Multiple posters on this thread have literally said they hope the dead children have Republican parents, and you're calling Republicans "ghoulish?" I've never seen/heard Republicans hoping for dead children.

Maybe not but can you name any Republicans who would trade their right to a gun for the life of one child?

Apparently no one can name a Republican who would give up their second Amendment rights if it saved the life of one child. Pretty clear that Republicans value guns more than children.

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Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Per the perusal of Foxnews comments every time something like this happens, it's:

-That we don't have enough armed guards at schools ("lots of retired veterans would be happy to guard schools!") ignoring that we have mass shootings with armed guards anyways, and at other locations besides schools including concerts, malls, movie theaters, workplaces, churches, and on and on
-That we don't arm teachers (most teachers don't want to be armed, I know many of them and they have enough to worry about let alone carrying a loaded gun that kids could easily get ahold of)
-That it's our lack of family values as a country/society in the USA that is to blame (specifically democratic erosion of traditional family values)... basically a "shrug, can't do nothing about that till we have better morals!" response that is useless
-We have enough gun laws, more won't do anything

blah blah blah. Conservatives have absolutely nothing helpful to say and it keeps happening and rinse and repeat.

Tbh I just pray it happens at schools filled with the kids of Republican elites. Then only way they change their tune is when it happens to them. They don’t give a f#ck about anyone else.

That said, I wish for a world with strong gun control and an absence of school shootings.

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, I am also shocked at how ghoulish the Republican elites conduct themselves. Democrats have been begging for 20 years for sensible gun reforms and the Republicans just grow more extreme, egged on by our lunatic Supreme Court.

If we are going to have a country with mass shootings, I’m going to pray that it mostly affects those who enable it to happen and block good-faith reforms. Reap what you sow, and all that.

Multiple posters on this thread have literally said they hope the dead children have Republican parents, and you're calling Republicans "ghoulish?" I've never seen/heard Republicans hoping for dead children.

DP... I don't know whether it's one poster, one person trying to troll, or multiple posters - and neither do you. Either way I hope they aren't being sincere in wishing death on children.

But I will say I can understand where that poster might be coming from, that Republicans generally refuse to help on issues, even the worst kinds of things like children being slaughtered in schools, until it actually affects them personally. There's something fundamentally broken and sociopathic in the Republican mindset that this is what it always has to come to, rather than Republicans actually having the empathy and care about the fate of others and their children that they should. It's like they are living in a bubble of delusion thinking their guns will stop all of this - yet the violence and horror keeps continuing in spite of their guns, and in fact fueled by easy access to guns.

NO WISHED DEATH ON CHILDREN. What the PP said was that when this crap happens to the children of republicans, maybe the republicans will wake up to the issue and actually deal with it.

AFTER she said she PRAYED that this would happen to the children of Republican elites.
Yes, she was praying for the death of children. Disgusting!

What’s disgusting is people who love and value guns more than the lives of children.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

because if you have enough money, it's all taken care of.

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Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Idiot. Blame the shooter, please.

I blame the shooter and the easy access to weapons.

Let’s hope her parents will be charged if it is found those guns were theirs

Her parents should be locked up for life with no parole. The are responsible for their daughters actions. Let them rot.

The shooter was 28 years old. How is that the parents responsibility?

Plus one -
Absurd to blame the parents of someone who has been an adult for ten years.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

They sometimes show up in different forums, but Jeff tends to move them here.

I am the OP and I posted this in the political forum because political action is what is needed.

I don't disagree. But I do know that a thread also showed up in the "Off-Topic" forum and it was frozen - presumably because a discussion was already underway here.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

because if you have enough money, it's all taken care of.

Health care is for the rich. The poors get prayer.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

because if you have enough money, it's all taken care of.

You can put your kid in private Christian school and they’re still vulnerable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. Just saw this news and I am kinda shaken even though at this point I shouldn't be I guess.

My question is, how many shootings like this have to happen in conservative states like TX and TN before they finally ban guns?

The Answer? Sadly...a LOT more blood. Until the children of 90% of gun rights activists are dead, nothing will change. It's a lot of blood, and it's very sad.

But this is clear to me now. Uvalde changed nothing, and this poor little Christian school may change nothing. Too few dead. It sounds horrible and it IS horrible but what else am i supposed to think at this point?

Gun violence in schools is like a regularly scheduled disaster at this point.

Sandyhook was the turning point. When we did nothing in reaction to that, it was a decision that we'll just let school kids die forever so as not to interfere with some Americans' desire to own a shit ton of guns without having to do paperwork.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

because if you have enough money, it's all taken care of.

And even their military spending does not value mental health and ongoing care for veterans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Per the perusal of Foxnews comments every time something like this happens, it's:

-That we don't have enough armed guards at schools ("lots of retired veterans would be happy to guard schools!") ignoring that we have mass shootings with armed guards anyways, and at other locations besides schools including concerts, malls, movie theaters, workplaces, churches, and on and on
-That we don't arm teachers (most teachers don't want to be armed, I know many of them and they have enough to worry about let alone carrying a loaded gun that kids could easily get ahold of)
-That it's our lack of family values as a country/society in the USA that is to blame (specifically democratic erosion of traditional family values)... basically a "shrug, can't do nothing about that till we have better morals!" response that is useless
-We have enough gun laws, more won't do anything

blah blah blah. Conservatives have absolutely nothing helpful to say and it keeps happening and rinse and repeat.

Tbh I just pray it happens at schools filled with the kids of Republican elites. Then only way they change their tune is when it happens to them. They don’t give a f#ck about anyone else.

That said, I wish for a world with strong gun control and an absence of school shootings.

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, I am also shocked at how ghoulish the Republican elites conduct themselves. Democrats have been begging for 20 years for sensible gun reforms and the Republicans just grow more extreme, egged on by our lunatic Supreme Court.

If we are going to have a country with mass shootings, I’m going to pray that it mostly affects those who enable it to happen and block good-faith reforms. Reap what you sow, and all that.

Multiple posters on this thread have literally said they hope the dead children have Republican parents, and you're calling Republicans "ghoulish?" I've never seen/heard Republicans hoping for dead children.

Maybe not but can you name any Republicans who would trade their right to a gun for the life of one child?

Apparently no one can name a Republican who would give up their second Amendment rights if it saved the life of one child. Pretty clear that Republicans value guns more than children.

I'm a Republican. I will give up my rights to ever own a gun, if a woman who was about to abort her baby instead committed to carry the baby to term. Is that what you are looking for? Or just a public figure/politician?

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NP. Shocked...was it this morning? Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans don’t want to pay for mental health treatment. They’re the party of “f**k your feelings, snowflake!” They don’t want to fund anything but the military, tax cuts, and corporate welfare.

because if you have enough money, it's all taken care of.

You can put your kid in private Christian school and they’re still vulnerable

Is this the first at a religious school? If so the GOP might care. They don’t care about the others but white Christian children might be important to them.